The "D" day pool, best guess as to when Trump is out

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I don't know that muehler hates him, but if muehler had any sympathies for a republican president, and might have once been inclined to not indict him in office, that ship has sailed. Trump has attacked him and people he likes and respects on a very personnel level. Trump has attacked the institution he dedicated his career to. Trump has shown that if you don't take him out directly, he will keep fighting and damaging the country.

But hate is strong.

In any case I don't see a former potus, even an impeached one (please-please-please) ever being in supermax or any situation where he might be in danger. HE will get a cozy country club environment, as sad as it sounds. If there is any justice left, he will get sent to gitmo. That way, his attorneys would need TS clearance just to speak with him. Not that it would be a rough life; gitmo is actually pretty nice to the inmates - or was.

It's safe and secure in a supermax, solitary for 23 hours a day and an hour to exercise alone (or with family who might be sharing the facility). Ok paint the cell gold for the fucker, give him a gilded cage, fuck build a special prison on an island somewhere. A dog kennel in Gitmo would be ok by me too. Trump is gonna do hard time, too many powerful enemies and the crimes will be too big, no golf course, no club fed. Donald is doing things no other president has done before, that will also include dying in prison.

Mueller is a professional, but I'm sure he has a personal opinion about Trump, I'd love to hear his frank assessment of the creature, if he wrote a book when it's all said and done, he'd make a fortune: Doing Donald, there's a title!

 

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It's safe and secure in a supermax, solitary for 23 hours a day and an hour to exercise alone (or with family who might be sharing the facility). Ok paint the cell gold for the fucker, give him a gilded cage, fuck build a special prison on an island somewhere. A dog kennel in Gitmo would be ok by me too.

Mueller is a professional, but I'm sure he has a personal opinion about Trump, I'd love to hear his frank assessment of the creature, if he wrote a book when it's all said and done, he'd make a fortune: Doing Donald, there's a title!

The dog kennels are still at gitmo, but aren't used anymore. The new facilities are much nicer. And the prisoners are treated well.

They still wouldn't put him in a max security prison. If he isn't impeached, he will still be entitled to ss protection (as bizzare as that sounds). He might not be confined to a traditional prison. The federal courts would bend over backwards because of his constitutional position.

Remember Nixon got secret service protection. He got a library. He got office space and staff. He got a budget to manage his staff and expenses as an ex-president.

Hell, he even has a .gov website for it. https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/

Trump would be treated no differently unless he was impeached/convicted. Just being convicted in federal court wouldn't remove those benefits.

 

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The dog kennels are still at gitmo, but aren't used anymore. The new facilities are much nicer. And the prisoners are treated well.

They still wouldn't put him in a max security prison. If he isn't impeached, he will still be entitled to ss protection (as bizzare as that sounds). He might not be confined to a traditional prison. The federal courts would bend over backwards because of his constitutional position.

Remember Nixon got secret service protection. He got a library. He got office space and staff. He got a budget to manage his staff and expenses as an ex-president.

Hell, he even has a .gov website for it. https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/

Trump would be treated no differently unless he was impeached/convicted. Just being convicted in federal court wouldn't remove those benefits.

I got him down for a spell in a supermax, he's got too many GOP enemies and they are vindictive, the democrats should be ok, but the republicans are mean like that!

His library is a good idea! But not the kind of library he would have in mind (to the extent that he has a mind), more of a museum, imagine all Mueller's evidence and all the biographies, movies etc. showing what an utter asshole Trump is. A national repository of evil, bullshit and treason, it could be designed to look like a giant outhouse! America needs to remember this, a US version of the holocaust museum, and a warning about bullshit and those who deal in it. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS AMERICA WHEN YOU FUCK UP ELECTING A PRESIDENT! Would be it's theme, tax dollars well spent.

 

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The right wing road to Washington is paved by FOX News. They got the money. Always had that. But they still need voter support. And no rational & clear thinking voter would adopt the view points and philosophy of the right. It is against thier best wishes. So along comes FOX and takes care of that. Circle complete.

I think FOX is coming apart at the seams and old Rupert ain't long for this world, Hell awaits. Not to worry, someone will serve the suckers that FOX has gathered to itself, they already have competition for the rubes. The GOP has been the political home of racism in America for decades and when Obama was elected the party went nuts, filled it's ranks with racists and drove out the moderates (RINOs). After 8 years of Obama they weren't looking for a candidate so much as something to channel their racist rage through, Donald became that thing. Fox follows the GOP base and the base has become "base" indeed as the party spirals into trump led madness. Donald is blowing out a tune on the dog whistle that older white and southern America can march to, right off a political cliff. The circle is complete the animal is consuming its own tail (or is it shit) as Donald watches FOX for policy to tweet out. The viewership of FOX is getting older and crazier, but the market for bullshit renews with each new generation...

 

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It's getting closer to D day
Ok, time for a reassessment in light of new information, I still figure Trump is impeached and convicted in march and Mueller looks on schedule. It's february 18th and I've got Trump figured on being convicted by the senate between the march 21st and end of the month, he won't resign cause he won't be able to cut a pardon "deal". Once convicted by the senate and Pence is sworn in, it just a question of how long until the cuffs go on. God (and probably Mueller) only knows what evil Donald has done, so Pence won't pardon him, especially if he's facing an investigation too. Once the trial begins it will be over in hours, maybe a friday night special while he's in Florida, he might not have anybody around to write up the pardons for him in time. Wonder if he issued secret pardons to the family yet, can you do that? Maybe Joe Apio's pardon was a template for others, they just change the particulars, wonder how "general" his pardon was. They want Donald before going after the family it would appear, a pardon for someone who has not been charged looks very bad and is harder to do.

There's been a whack of shoes falling off the centipede lately and a bunch more due to drop. Trump has been squirming out tweets like a madman on the weekend, some quite unhinged, linking the school shooting to the russia investigation. How's that for obsessed with the FBI and his investigation! He is clutching for straws, cause at this point he's increasingly on his own, his circle of trust and council is shrinking and he probably thinks half the people who work for him are wearing a wire. Panic is starting to set in, I wonder if Rosenstein is gonna give him the "final" briefing. I don't figure he will get around to having one about Don Jr and Jared going up the river, they don't need anything from them to convict Donald, there's more than enough for impeachment.

I figure now that Mueller started, we are gonna see something this week coming that should make Trump squirm even more. Maybe Rosenstein might like these little weekly talks he's gonna have with Donald, skin the fucker alive with a pen knife in slow motion... What's the worst that could happen to him, he gets fired and offered a highly lucrative partnership in a prestigious law firm, though the pay would be higher if he had Trump's scalp in his belt before he left government service. If I was him I'd be mighty tempted to skin the fucker, real slow...

 

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Trump is ignoring the worst attack on America since 9/11
By Max Boot Columnist February 18 at 5:25 PM
Imagine if, after 9/11, the president had said that the World Trade Center and Pentagon could have been attacked by “China” or “lots of other people.” Imagine if he had dismissed claims of al-Qaeda’s responsibility as a “hoax” and said that he “really” believed Osama bin Laden’s denials. Imagine if he saw the attack primarily as a political embarrassment to be minimized rather than as a national security threat to be combated. Imagine if he threatened to fire the investigators trying to find out what happened.

Imagine, moreover, if the president refused to appoint a commission to study how to safeguard America. Imagine if, as a result, we did not harden cockpit doors. If we did not create a Transportation Security Administration and a Department of Homeland Security. If we did not lower barriers between law enforcement and intelligence. If we did not pass a USA Patriot Act to enhance surveillance. And if we did not take myriad other steps to prevent another 9/11.

That’s roughly where we stand after the second-worst foreign attack on America in the past two decades. The Russian subversion of the 2016 election did not, to be sure, kill nearly 3,000 people. But its longer-term impact may be even more corrosive by undermining faith in our democracy. More..

 

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trump is about trump only. pretty soon he will have nothing but time, by himself.

i sure hope mueller and the grand jury are meeting with miss stormy daniels and miss karen mcdougal.

my real question is, what percentage of the trumptards will refuse to believe?

what percentage of the fake christians, we call white southern baptists will refuse to believe?

what do you call it when a leader says "ONLY HE" can fix the problem? and all the members that follow him throw their values away? it's called a cult.

you know, when you could shoot someone on 5th ave and still get their votes. these are dangerous, stupid americans we are dealing with.

 

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It's february 18th and I've got Trump figured on being convicted by the senate between the march 21st and end of the month, he won't resign cause he won't be able to cut a pardon "deal".

No way. Even if muehler dropped a complete report today, it would take months for it to make it's torturous way through the house and senate.

Here was the timeline for the clinton trials.... 6 months and that was with republicans trying to push as hard as they could, which wouldn't happen to trump.

September 9, 1998: Independent Counsel Ken Starr submits his report and 18 boxes of supporting documents to the House of Representatives.

December 19, 1998: After 13 1/2 hours of debate over two days, the House of Representatives approves two articles of impeachment

February 12, 1999: President Clinton is acquitted of the two articles of impeachment.

 

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No way. Even if muehler dropped a complete report today, it would take months for it to make it's torturous way through the house and senate.

Here was the timeline for the clinton trials.... 6 months and that was with republicans trying to push as hard as they could, which wouldn't happen to trump.

September 9, 1998: Independent Counsel Ken Starr submits his report and 18 boxes of supporting documents to the House of Representatives.

December 19, 1998: After 13 1/2 hours of debate over two days, the House of Representatives approves two articles of impeachment

February 12, 1999: President Clinton is acquitted of the two articles of impeachment.

All I can say Greg is this guy is breaking new ground, is very dangerous and unstable.The case against Clinton was bullshit and it was because the GOP and Ken Starr abused the special counsel law, and is why Mueller has to worry about and work around getting fired. Impeachment will be arranged, but will give the GOP leadership cover with the base. I figure what we've seen from the GOP leadership was just to fool the base, Mueller will bring an impeachment case quickly, because Mitch and Paul want him to, Trump is guilty as Hell, there is shocking, overwhelming evidence and above all else he is ready for this phase of the game.

Would you want to go into a senate or house race this fall as a GOP candidate with Trump as president? It might help you with a small slice of the country, but it will hurt everywhere else, the potential damage to the house and even senate would be much greater. I figure "arrangements" are being made or will be, everybody but the democrats want Trump gone ASAP, but the dems wouldn't get in the way!

All it takes is a majority vote in the house to get the ball rolling and that would only happen with a foregone conclusion in the senate. They can do Donald real quick if required and I figure Mitch and Paul will want it over in a hurry, night of the long knives style. They will need the summer and fall to help the base and country to forget what utter assholes they've been. They gotta jump ship sometime, that much is clear, might as well do it early and try to get far away from the danger as the Trumptanic goes down.

Donald is doing all kinds of unprecedented things, this and a prison sentence will be more of the same. I don't know how much of a guide the past will be here, they were dealing with normal people then, we are not. Being in bed with the russians is too much for America, the stink will stick to even the Teflon Don.

 

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So why do all these people seem to have DQ facts on their records and are still getting ts/sci (and higher) level access?

because:

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/11/03/trump-im-only-one-that-matters-fox-sot.cnn

 

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All I can say Greg is this guy is breaking new ground, is very dangerous and unstable.The case against Clinton was bullshit and it was because the GOP and Ken Starr abused the special counsel law, and is why Mueller has to worry about and work around getting fired. Impeachment will be arranged, but will give the GOP leadership cover with the base. I figure what we've seen from the GOP leadership was just to fool the base, Mueller will bring an impeachment case quickly, because Mitch and Paul want him to, Trump is guilty as Hell, there is shocking, overwhelming evidence and above all else he is ready for this phase of the game.

Would you want to go into a senate or house race this fall as a GOP candidate with Trump as president? It might help you with a small slice of the country, but it will hurt everywhere else, the potential damage to the house and even senate would be much greater. I figure "arrangements" are being made or will be, everybody but the democrats want Trump gone ASAP, but the dems wouldn't get in the way!

All it takes is a majority vote in the house to get the ball rolling and that would only happen with a foregone conclusion in the senate. They can do Donald real quick if required and I figure Mitch and Paul will want it over in a hurry, night of the long knives style. They will need the summer and fall to help the base and country to forget what utter assholes they've been. They gotta jump ship sometime, that much is clear, might as well do it early and try to get far away from the danger as the Trumptanic goes down.

Donald is doing all kinds of unprecedented things, this and a prison sentence will be more of the same. I don't know how much of a guide the past will be here, they were dealing with normal people then, we are not. Being in bed with the russians is too much for America, the stink will stick to even the Teflon Don.

Hey, I'm not making this stuff up. We are a constitutional government for the time being. That means we follow a specific path to remove the president. That isn't a fast process. It was never meant to be fast or easy. Not to mention we are not the party in power.

Could it be faster? Sure. It "could" take a couple of weeks. But that isn't what is going to happen.

Note that the clinton impeachment began in September of an election year. The dems actually picked up seats during that election because people were pissed the republicans were mounting a political hit job on a dem president. If republicans take up impeachment without their base supporting it, they won't win a single race. They know that.

Trumps support needs to be beaten down into the 20's for them to act with enough cover to not be committing political suicide; and that is not what they are about. Their priorities are Self, Donors, Base, Party. Country isn't on that list unless it's convenient at the time.

As long as the gop congress props up trump and provides cover, they can't switch to impeachment. They appear to already have made the calculation to fight it out.

Muehler's report, if he even writes one at all, won't be out this year. What indictments he can make will be made before June. After that it gets into the election season and he doesn't want to become a campaign issue.

Again, I don't make this stuff up. As much as I hate it, this is what we are dealt.

Our constitution gave the president virtually unlimited power. The only recourse is impeachment and the 25th amendment. And lets not forget that the whole pardon issue has not yet been challenged. He is being urged to pardon anyone indicted, including himself. The constitution doesn't say he can't do that. Only the scotus can say that, and he has 4 solid votes in his column.

 

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Hey, I'm not making this stuff up. We are a constitutional government for the time being. That means we follow a specific path to remove the president. That isn't a fast process. It was never meant to be fast or easy. Not to mention we are not the party in power.

Could it be faster? Sure. It "could" take a couple of weeks. But that isn't what is going to happen.

Note that the clinton impeachment began in September of an election year. The dems actually picked up seats during that election because people were pissed the republicans were mounting a political hit job on a dem president. If republicans take up impeachment without their base supporting it, they won't win a single race. They know that.

Trumps support needs to be beaten down into the 20's for them to act with enough cover to not be committing political suicide; and that is not what they are about. Their priorities are Self, Donors, Base, Party. Country isn't on that list unless it's convenient at the time.

As long as the gop congress props up trump and provides cover, they can't switch to impeachment. They appear to already have made the calculation to fight it out.

Muehler's report, if he even writes one at all, won't be out this year. What indictments he can make will be made before June. After that it gets into the election season and he doesn't want to become a campaign issue.

Again, I don't make this stuff up. As much as I hate it, this is what we are dealt.

Our constitution gave the president virtually unlimited power. The only recourse is impeachment and the 25th amendment. And lets not forget that the whole pardon issue has not yet been challenged. He is being urged to pardon anyone indicted, including himself. The constitution doesn't say he can't do that. Only the scotus can say that, and he has 4 solid votes in his column.

I'd agree with ya 100%, if we were dealing with a normal person, crime and circumstances. This situation has already gone too far and I figure yer in for a quick resolution. As far as I know, impeachment is a majority vote in the house and 2/3 s of the senate and it can all be done in a day, hours in fact. This is a political process, not a legal one and the niceties of the legal system don't have to be followed, the pace can vary a lot.The GOP leadership created this monster of a base and they are gonna have to deal with it sooner or later, if they don't get rid of Trump before the midterms the country will come apart at the seams and so will the GOP. The amount of water they will have to carry for him before the midterms will drown them.

The path to perdition can be quick, but not painless.

 

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trump is about trump only. pretty soon he will have nothing but time, by himself.

i sure hope mueller and the grand jury are meeting with miss stormy daniels and miss karen mcdougal.

my real question is, what percentage of the trumptards will refuse to believe?

what percentage of the fake christians, we call white southern baptists will refuse to believe?

what do you call it when a leader says "ONLY HE" can fix the problem? and all the members that follow him throw their values away? it's called a cult.

you know, when you could shoot someone on 5th ave and still get their votes. these are dangerous, stupid americans we are dealing with.

I'm sure you'll see a few "come to Jesus" moments among them, having the russians to blame for hornswoggling them will do a lot to help em get over it. The vast majority will ignore or set it aside, they will forget all about Donald and pretend it never happened, like asking a nazi what he did during the war! Trumpism is like naziism and will evaporate cause there's nothing to it but bullshit, the hatred and stupidity it is based on will stick around though.

They will throw up primary winners for 2020 that will take your breath away, look out for T2, he's waiting and watching in the wings. If an idiot like Trump can pull that kind of con off, imagine what an inspiration he's gonna be to some arsehole with a brain.

Here's a thought and a question. When is primary season for the 2018 midterms? If the GOP house and senate members are worried about being primaried before the midterms, they won't need to worry about the election. Only those house members who aren't running again and selected GOP senators will vote to impeach and convict, the rest can sing and dance for the cameras and base.

 

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Well, if you are waiting for trump supporters to find reality, here is a story that says they might not ever. IT's about one of the "unwitting" US trump supporters who ended up being duped by a russian troll account. She still doesn't believe it.

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/02/just-dont-believe-trump-supporter-refuses-believe-helped-russian-trolls-campaign/

 

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Well, if you are waiting for trump supporters to find reality, here is a story that says they might not ever. IT's about one of the "unwitting" US trump supporters who ended up being duped by a russian troll account. She still doesn't believe it.

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/02/just-dont-believe-trump-supporter-refuses-believe-helped-russian-trolls-campaign/

half of them will never admit they were wrong. i would show no mercy to those retards under any condition. in otherwords, if you voted for trump and refuse to believe the facts, i won't piss on you if you are on fire.

 

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Well, if you are waiting for trump supporters to find reality, here is a story that says they might not ever. IT's about one of the "unwitting" US trump supporters who ended up being duped by a russian troll account. She still doesn't believe it.

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/02/just-dont-believe-trump-supporter-refuses-believe-helped-russian-trolls-campaign/

I guess we need to look at other cults and false prophecies and see what the response to failure is among other cult members. It's never an admission that they were wrong, always a rationalisation, this will be the response of most Trumpers, no different than any other cult. Facts don't matter now, why should they then, nothing matters, only Trump matters. In many ways they are like teenage girls who are madly in love with their first boyfriend, and they're just as rational, Hero Donald, he's their white knight in golden shiny armor! They are in love, his whiteness blinds them to his faults.

 

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Donald Trump, worst president ever! Here's the proof, I could site examples, but we all know lots of them.
Political scientists rank Trump last, Lincoln first in presidential greatness survey
Washington (CNN)Former Presidents Barack Obama, George W. Bush and Ronald Reagan enjoyed upward bumps in their greatness rankings, while President Donald Trump was ranked historically low, according to a presidential "greatness" survey released Monday.

The 2018 Presidents and Executive Politics Presidential Greatness Survey, released Monday, was based on 170 usable responses from current and former members of the American Political Science Association's presidents and executive politics section.
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Donald Trump, worst president ever! Here's the proof, I could site examples, but we all know lots of them.
Political scientists rank Trump last, Lincoln first in presidential greatness survey
Washington (CNN)Former Presidents Barack Obama, George W. Bush and Ronald Reagan enjoyed upward bumps in their greatness rankings, while President Donald Trump was ranked historically low, according to a presidential "greatness" survey released Monday.

The 2018 Presidents and Executive Politics Presidential Greatness Survey, released Monday, was based on 170 usable responses from current and former members of the American Political Science Association's presidents and executive politics section.
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if twitter hadn't suspended me i would send that to trump, lol...

 

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Donald Trump, worst president ever! Here's the proof, I could site examples, but we all know lots of them.
Political scientists rank Trump last, Lincoln first in presidential greatness survey
Washington (CNN)Former Presidents Barack Obama, George W. Bush and Ronald Reagan enjoyed upward bumps in their greatness rankings, while President Donald Trump was ranked historically low, according to a presidential "greatness" survey released Monday.

The 2018 Presidents and Executive Politics Presidential Greatness Survey, released Monday, was based on 170 usable responses from current and former members of the American Political Science Association's presidents and executive politics section.
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