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Michael Huntherz

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I bought one big bag of Roots Organics 707 mix, running that this time. I will probably set up the Blumats on them soon

I am not an organics devotee, not in the way people have come to expect. I recognize there are environmental benefits, particularly for commercial agriculture, but there's no scientific proof it improves the nutritional quality of produce, and I don't buy the "it has a better flavor" argument either. There are a couple of studies that suggest some flavor improvement in organically grown tomatoes and strawberries, but they have not held up against peer review and/or have failed to be reproducible.

Why in hell would I say all that and then do a run in organic soil?

I just like fucking around, I guess. A lot of people like Roots Organics, and I legitimately celebrate the diversity of approaches that we can use to grow these amazing plants. I have no need to avoid chemical salts for fertilizer, though.

I have an Aurora "Master Pack" that was given to me. I might try a side by side grow using their crazy fucking schedule and this obscene number of products vs nothing but Jack's 20-20-20, but if I do that I will have to hand water, probably. Choices, choices.
 
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Michael Huntherz

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I see a lot of this sort of argument, “these plants evolved under white light, so white light must be the best”
Or, “plants evolved growing in soil, soil is the best medium”
Or, “organic tastes better” …which is imaginary for both Cannabis and food.
They usually boil down to this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature

An appeal to nature is an argument or rhetorical tactic in which it is proposed that "a thing is good because it is 'natural', or bad because it is 'unnatural'". It can be a bad argument, because the implicit (unstated) primary premise "What is natural is good" typically is irrelevant, having no cogent meaning in practice, or is an opinion instead of a fact. In some philosophical frameworks where natural and good are clearly defined in a specific context, the appeal to nature might be valid and cogent.

See also
This article explains a big part of these beliefs:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemophobia
 
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ttystikk

ttystikk

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Michael Huntherz said:
I see a lot of this sort of argument, “these plants evolved under white light, so white light must be the best”
Or, “plants evolved growing in soil, soil is the best medium”
Or, “organic tastes better” …which is imaginary for both Cannabis and food.
They usually boil down to this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature

An appeal to nature is an argument or rhetorical tactic in which it is proposed that "a thing is good because it is 'natural', or bad because it is 'unnatural'". It can be a bad argument, because the implicit (unstated) primary premise "What is natural is good" typically is irrelevant, having no cogent meaning in practice, or is an opinion instead of a fact. In some philosophical frameworks where natural and good are clearly defined in a specific context, the appeal to nature might be valid and cogent.

See also
This article explains a big part of these beliefs:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemophobia
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This can be true but it needs to be backed up with empirical evidence.

For instance, it seems that full spectrum COB LED chips perform better than the blurple variety, and that high CRI, or color rendering index, also returns slightly better results. So 90CRI is slightly but noticeably better than 80CRI.

I'm not touching the chem vs organic nutes debate with a ten foot EC meter!
 
Michael Huntherz

Michael Huntherz

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ttystikk said:
This can be true but it needs to be backed up with empirical evidence.

For instance, it seems that full spectrum COB LED chips perform better than the blurple variety, and that high CRI, or color rendering index, also returns slightly better results. So 90CRI is slightly but noticeably better than 80CRI.

I'm not touching the chem vs organic nutes debate with a ten foot EC meter!
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Oh, I hope not to be misunderstood, I totally agree white high-cri light seems to be qualitatively better for plants than any other light technology we presently have, but the cause of that is not necessarily because natural sunlight is the most optimal possible light for those plants. It would be pretty hard to prove either way, which limits the usefulness of all those arguments. I think appeals to nature usually provide bad reasons when good reasons are available.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Michael Huntherz said:
Oh, I hope not to be misunderstood, I totally agree white high-cri light seems to be qualitatively better for plants than any other light technology we presently have, but the cause of that is not necessarily because natural sunlight is the most optimal possible light for those plants. It would be pretty hard to prove either way, which limits the usefulness of all those arguments. I think appeals to nature usually provide bad reasons when good reasons are available.
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I think we're very much on the same page. My example was based on results of testing rather than some notion of being 'more natural'. The point is that testing is key- and can lead in surprising directions.
 
Michael Huntherz

Michael Huntherz

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I'm starting to be mobile again, after being down hard for almost a month. Starting a 10 plant SOG grow for emergency head stash. I am out of smoke, wtf?

Haven't had a decent harvest in a year!
Dropped 17 beans, 2 are feminized, hoping for 8 more females from 15 regs. Typing is still hard, will post follow-ups with list of strains.
 
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Michael Huntherz

Michael Huntherz

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Running beans I care less about in case I have to abort. My timeline is pretty tight, we are moving on June 1. Mostly freebies, actually all free to me.

Magic Bullet Freebies from “Sureman Genetics” -
3x Blue Dream x Magic Bullet
3x Diamond x Magic Bullet

2x Samsara Green Love Potion fems

Lost River Seeds -
2x Dunkaroos (cookies n cream x golden goat!)
2x Lite Brite (forum cut cookies x buford’s blues)
2x Fuego (phishhead og x fire og)

Shoreline Genetics -
2x Strawberry (old testers, I haven’t finished this strain yet, two previous attempts)

1x bagseed

Bagseed and one Fuego failed to pop out of the first dozen. Five more beans just went down as backup (Strawberry and Magic Bullet x Blue Dream)

:joint:
Once I am down to ten plants I'll set up the Blumats, hand watering until then.

Will be flipping to 12/12 in about ten days.

Running Royal Gold Basement Mix coco in 1 gallon nursery pots for the whole run.

4x4 (120cm) tent

Two new 285w ViparSpectra PAR600 fixtures, arriving tomorrow. 570 watts of cheap, but not total garbage, LEDs should do it.

Oasis (Jack's) Hydro FeED 4-1-4 base, with various other nutes and Mammoth P.
 
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Olive Drab Green

Olive Drab Green

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Michael Huntherz said:
I bought one big bag of Roots Organics 707 mix, running that this time. I will probably set up the Blumats on them soon

I am not an organics devotee, not in the way people have come to expect. I recognize there are environmental benefits, particularly for commercial agriculture, but there's no scientific proof it improves the nutritional quality of produce, and I don't buy the "it has a better flavor" argument either. There are a couple of studies that suggest some flavor improvement in organically grown tomatoes and strawberries, but they have not held up against peer review and/or have failed to be reproducible.

Why in hell would I say all that and then do a run in organic soil?

I just like fucking around, I guess. A lot of people like Roots Organics, and I legitimately celebrate the diversity of approaches that we can use to grow these amazing plants. I have no need to avoid chemical salts for fertilizer, though.

I have an Aurora "Master Pack" that was given to me. I might try a side by side grow using their crazy fucking schedule and this obscene number of products vs nothing but Jack's 20-20-20, but if I do that I will have to hand water, probably. Choices, choices.
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I love Roots, and use it pretty much exclusively. I keep both a box of the Master Pack and the Dry Nutrients Player Pack on hand at all times. You can see in the second picture, all those capitate sessile trichomes; and in the others, tight nodes, thick ass stems, and healthy green foliage.

3 weeks, beginning week 4 today.
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