Rob Porter..

[UncleBuck]

I see his position far more abstractly as being he just wants to be left completely the fuck alone, and wants everyone else to leave everyone else alone too.

I disagree fundamentally with his philosophy, I think it's beyond the bounds of rationality, but it's an intellectually dishonest stretch to continue the whole "pedophile/racist" thing, was funny for a while but it's been happening since long before I even joined (or so I was told last night).

Shout down the actual racists if that's what you think is a productive use of your time, but this just seems like an attempt at bullying away a person who's politics you disagree with, if it's been that persistent for so long.

(Decided to try do more actual debating on here with less pure shitposting)

i'm sorry, do people who think civil rights are rape and slavery not count as "actual racists"?

 

[UncleBuck]

Ron Paul

ya mean the guy who penned newsletters detailing how to shoot black men and plant evidence on them to get away with killing them?

yeah, that totally shows how not racist you are.

thanks for not even bothering to explain your repeated use of racial slurs against our first black president, racist fuck.

 

[Rob Roy]

i'm sorry, do people who think civil rights are rape and slavery not count as "actual racists"?

When you say "civil rights" you are looking for sympathy for an idea which disallows a black guy the individual choice of deciding what he will do with his own body in some circumstances ? I like you, because you're funny especially when you think using threats against people is what brings about justice.

So again, I ask you to turn the other cheek and not force black people to serve white people against their will.

 

[TacoMac]

(Decided to try do more actual debating on here with less pure shitposting)

Good luck with that.

 

[Rob Roy]

ya mean the guy who penned newsletters detailing how to shoot black men and plant evidence on them to get away with killing them?

yeah, that totally shows how not racist you are.

thanks for not even bothering to explain your repeated use of racial slurs against our first black president, racist fuck.

Shoot black men? Isn't that what you would ultimately have your government do, if a black guy refused to serve a white guy on the black guys own property ?

I don't have a President, slave.

 

[UncleBuck]

When you say "civil rights" you are looking for sympathy for an idea which disallows a black guy the individual choice of deciding what he will do with his own body in some circumstances ? I like you, because you're funny especially when you think using threats against people is what brings about justice.

So again, I ask you to turn the other cheek and not force black people to serve white people against their will.

you should go to a majority black neighborhood and get on your soapbox to convince them all how bad civil rights were for them. include your outright history denial too you sad piece of shit.

 

[UncleBuck]

Shoot black men? Isn't that what you would ultimately have your government do, if a black guy refused to serve a white guy on the black guys own property ?

I don't have a President, slave.

no, shooting black men is literally what your hero rawn pawl advised the readers of his racist, jew-hating newsletters to do. he even told them how to plant guns on them so that his racist readers like you could shoot black men without legal consequences you racist stain.

 

[Rob Roy]

you should go to a majority black neighborhood and get on your soapbox to convince them all how bad civil rights were for them. include your outright history denial too you sad piece of shit.

I really wish you wouldn't support a government which would force black men to serve white men against their will.

I'm not denying history, I'm claiming it is what has gone on, and is still going on and YOU support it.

You also supported a "black" President who kept prohibition in place knowing that it was a tool used to deny black people dominion over their own bodies.


I don't deny some white people were demonically cruel to some black people. That's unforgivable. The reason I think they were cruel is they denied black people the freedom to make their own choices over their bodies and their own property....just like you would do today. Racist!

"Black neighborhood"? Okay Opie, now tell me about that time in grade school your best friend was black.

 

[UncleBuck]

I'm not denying history

don't try to convince me, revisionist KKK shitbag. go tell all those black people who you are trying to save from the evils of having to serve whites. because that's all that civil rights was according to you.

go tell them now and do them a service, klanman.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

don't try to convince me, revisionist KKK shitbag. go tell all those black people who you are trying to save from the evils of having to serve whites. because that's all that civil rights was according to you.

go tell them now and do them a service, klanman.

Don't forget to tell them how much you sympathize with being a slave.

 

[Rob Roy]

don't try to convince me, revisionist KKK shitbag. go tell all those black people who you are trying to save from the evils of having to serve whites. because that's all that civil rights was according to you.

go tell them now and do them a service, klanman.

 

[Rob Roy]

Don't forget to tell them how much you sympathize with being a slave.

 

[abandonconflict]

(Decided to try do more actual debating on here with less pure shitposting)

Sounds like tone policing tbh. Besides, he doesn't want to just leave everyone alone, he wants to troll and harass with repetitive and boring BS. You have every right to defend the guy but be prepared to have a repetitive exchange with very little substance. I keep getting these alerts and it tempts me to put him back on ignore but I'd prefer to have an empty ignore list. Trolls I can handle, but being goaded into a boring conversation is a form of aggression from someone who claims to live by a nonaggression principle.

Besides, he has been arguing ardently for years that 13 year old children can consent to copulate with adults.

 

[abandonconflict]

we DO agree.

No, we absolutely do not. I made my argument very plain, do not distort it. Your belief that all human rights extend from a natural self ownership is but an extension of your belief that property itself is the ONLY natural and inalienable right. That is absolutely flawed. Our rights extend from being human. I do not OWN myself, I AM myself.

in any kind of a just world, the thing that humans possess, is a kind of proprietary interest in themselves, a kind of "property right" in that they have jurisdiction over themselves.

And yet in your fantasy world, it is only the people who own the means to produce food that would have the right to live because only they would have the right to eat and to consume sustenance. "Anarchocapitalism" is the worst form of make believe tyranny. It is the very notion of all encompassing property rights being the most holy of sacraments that make it that way.

Just because you don't understand the tenets of your own dystopian fantasy doesn't mean we're only having a semantic difference. You clearly don't believe in human rights, you believe in property rights.

 

[SneekyNinja]

Sounds like tone policing tbh. Besides, he doesn't want to just leave everyone alone, he wants to troll and harass with repetitive and boring BS. You have every right to defend the guy but be prepared to have a repetitive exchange with very little substance. I keep getting these alerts and it tempts me to put him back on ignore but I'd prefer to have an empty ignore list. Trolls I can handle, but being goaded into a boring conversation is a form of aggression from someone who claims to live by a nonaggression principle.

Besides, he has been arguing ardently for years that 13 year old children can consent to copulate with adults.

Dude, boring.

 

[abandonconflict]

Dude, boring.

Yeah, so why inject yourself into such a boring conversation? You seem to really enjoy being a "devil's advocate" and telling people to stop criticizing racism while calling people "cucks" and defending a guy who thinks a 13 year old can consent to have sex with adults.

Be careful with the foolaid.

 

[SneekyNinja]

Yeah, so why inject yourself into such a boring conversation? You seem to really enjoy being a "devil's advocate" and telling people to stop criticizing racism while calling people "cucks" and defending a guy who thinks a 13 year old can consent to have sex with adults.

Be careful with the foolaid.

I'm starting to see this place as a microcosm of the country as a whole.

If we can't stop the ridiculous smack talk and start conversing again even here, how does that bode for our nation as a whole?

The plebs are so busy arguing amongst themselves that they don't notice the aristocracy raping them.

Welcome to the Roman Empire 2018.

 

[abandonconflict]

I'm starting to see this place as a microcosm of the country as a whole.

If we can't stop the ridiculous smack talk and start conversing again even here, how does that bode for our nation as a whole?

The plebs are so busy arguing amongst themselves that they don't notice the aristocracy raping them.

Welcome to the Roman Empire 2018.

Cool, I have a passport. It's just a weed site, guy. It's not Acta Diurna.

 

[frizfrazjaz]

Now you're getting it...

You paint that yourself Rob?

 

[Rob Roy]

No, we absolutely do not. I made my argument very plain, do not distort it. Your belief that all human rights extend from a natural self ownership is but an extension of your belief that property itself is the ONLY natural and inalienable right. That is absolutely flawed. Our rights extend from being human. I do not OWN myself, I AM myself.


And yet in your fantasy world, it is only the people who own the means to produce food that would have the right to live because only they would have the right to eat and to consume sustenance. "Anarchocapitalism" is the worst form of make believe tyranny. It is the very notion of all encompassing property rights being the most holy of sacraments that make it that way.

Just because you don't understand the tenets of your own dystopian fantasy doesn't mean we're only having a semantic difference. You clearly don't believe in human rights, you believe in property rights.

You say I don't understand the tenets of my philosophy, yet you're the one claiming that a system of hierarchy can be abolished, by establishing a system of hierarchy and oxymoronically calling it Anarcho Communism. I believe human interactions should begin on a mutual and consensual basis, is that what you believe or not ?

As far as self ownership goes, I believe each person has the right of self determination of themselves, but not of others unless the other has consented . No matter if we disagree what that is called or not, the principle of self determination remains. Which part of peaceable self ownership (or whatever you'd like to call it) do you disagree with ?

As far as property goes, I believe physical property exists and people who use natural resources to create something, shelter, food, material items etc. have a right to consume, trade, hold and determine the use of the property they've created as long as the use does not deprive another person from using, creating or determining the use of their own property.

That begs the question, what IS property and who can own it?
As far as what property is or isn't, that is an interesting topic which you have steadfastly refused to engage in. You might even find that I am not a proponent of some of the beliefs you seem to have assigned to me.

Pretty much the rest of the pedo, racist, bullshit is an absurd, sometimes sophomorically entertaining distraction but it comes in handy for people who are unwilling to examine things or buttress their beliefs with sound and consistent arguments.

I think you're an intelligent guy, probably have a shitty beard, but are afraid to answer some questions and would prefer to malign me rather than stay on topic when conversation ventures into areas you may be uncomfortable in or that potentially contradict your doctrine of beliefs. Did I mention you aren't very good at addressing questions?