Advice needed please.

SchmoeJoe

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Fubard said:
If they weren't then what do bats eat?
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Yeah, I definitely should have been more clear about that. There are insects that are more active at night but only because they are actually nocturnal. The pests that we deal with are not nocturnal so they are not more active at night.
 
Lucky Luke

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It should still suffocate them...It its tiny and breaths its dead.

Cue evil laugh.

Muhahahhahhaaa
 
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SchmoeJoe

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Lucky Luke said:
It should still suffocate them...It its tiny and breaths its dead.

Cue evil laugh.

Muhahahhahhaaa
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My first thought on that is that it would be likely to have same effect on the plant. Obviously people have been using for some time but I'm still leary about it.
 
Lucky Luke

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SchmoeJoe said:
My first thought on that is that it would be likely to have same effect on the plant. Obviously people have been using for some time but I'm still leary about it.
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Nope, plants fine its called a horticultural oil for a reason. I wouldn't be spraying it every day but every few days to kill the mites and break the cycle is fine. Spray at lights off to prevent any burning.
 
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SchmoeJoe said:
My first thought on that is that it would be likely to have same effect on the plant. Obviously people have been using for some time but I'm still leary about it.
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You could say the same for pesticides and fungicides, use too much and the plant won't like it.

The way I look at it is this. Ever been snurfling around on the glide path to an airport runway? You can have a VERY strong smell of aviation fuel from aircraft having to dump fuel, doesn't happen so much nowadays for various reasons but I remember how strong the smell was in certain areas just outside London Heathrow, so plenty trees, bushes, grasses, and all sorts would regularly get loads of kerosene, effectively, sprayed all over them on a regular basis and that didn't stop them growing at all.

It's all about the quantities, as it is with everything from water to feeding to pesticides, to TLC. Too much of any of them and your plant is dead.
 
Lucky Luke

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I hear ya. I have used White oil for no ill effect. Would I use it every day? Of cause not.
But for the OP it may save his crop and has only a 1 day holding period!! I don't know why its not mentioned more on this site. Its not a poison and it works.
 
SchmoeJoe

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Lucky Luke said:
Nope, plants fine its called a horticultural oil for a reason. I wouldn't be spraying it every day but every few days to kill the mites and break the cycle is fine. Spray at lights off to prevent any burning.
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Like I said, obviously people have been using it for some time. The thing is that if it functions by clogging the pores the bugs breath through I'd expect it to do the same thing to the plant. Clearly it wouldn't have the same affect on the plant but when there are things that work better and don't have the potential to have negative effects why would I bother?

Not to mention that white oil doesn't work on the heartier mite species.
 
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Lucky Luke

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SchmoeJoe said:
Like I said, obviously people have been using it for some time. The thing is that if it functions by clogging the pores the bugs breath through I'd expect it to do the same thing to the plant. Clearly it wouldn't have the same affect on the plant but when there are things that work better and don't have the potential to have negative effects why would I bother?

Not to mention that white oil doesn't work on the heartier mite specues.
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So what works better and has less negative effects than white oil (sunflower or sesame)?

Sorry I have to ask.
 
SchmoeJoe

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Lucky Luke said:
I hear ya. I have used White oil for no ill effect. Would I use it every day? Of cause not.
But for the OP it may save his crop and has only a 1 day holding period!! I don't know why its not mentioned more on this site. Its not a poison and it works.
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If it works that well for regular mites I'll definitely be trying it. Some vegetable oil and dish soap is a hell of a lot cheaper than Azamax.
 
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SchmoeJoe said:
Like I said, obviously people have been using it for some time. The thing is that if it functions by clogging the pores the bugs breath through I'd expect it to do the same thing to the plant. Clearly it wouldn't have the same affect on the plant but when there are things that work better and don't have the potential to have negative effects why would I bother?

Not to mention that white oil doesn't work on the heartier mite specues.
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Very true, and each to their own. Personally I am against using poisons wherever possible, a habit I got into with growing food such as tomatoes and so forth, I'll always look for something that won't be nasty if it is absorbed by the plant. But sometimes you don't have a choice, it's either nail it with the chemicals or rip it out and start again which is something you sure as hell won't want to do when, as an example, it's been flowering for over a month.
 
SchmoeJoe

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Lucky Luke said:
So what works better and has less negative effects than white oil (sunflower or sesame)?

Sorry I have to ask.
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For russet and broad mites Dr Zymes. It's spendy but it works and it's a totally organic pesticide that's rated for use up to the day of harvest. It's an enzyme based mode of action that breaks down the protein in soft bodied bugs so there's no way they can build up a resistance and it will even work as an effective wash instead of potentially clogging the plants stomata.
 
Lucky Luke

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SchmoeJoe said:
For russet and broad mites Dr Zymes. It's spendy but it works and it's a totally organic pesticide that's rated for use up to the day of harvest. It's an enzyme based mode of action that breaks down the protein in soft bodied bugs so there's no way they can build up a resistance and it will even work as an effective wash instead of potentially clogging the plants stomata.
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Fair enough but the cost difference seems a lot. Not available in my country by the looks either. White oil will also kill them, can be totally organic if you choose to make it so and has a day holding period so very close to the same as the pesticide you mention in that regard and readily available no matter were you live.

Either way the OP has options.
 
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