Re-vegged plant troubles

[Mass Medicinals]

Hey All,

We have 9 SSH re-vegged plants in 1 gallon pots. They were probably root bound until we transplanted them from solo cups a couple weeks ago.

All the plant fan leaves are super small and the plants are not stretching at all. We are not sure if the lights are too close to the tops of the plants.

We are on/off feeding schedule. Nutes then ph balanced water the next time. And all the leaves are sagging now.

The 1 gallon pots are pretty close together so the plants probably need to be spaced out.

 

[*BUDS]

Major stress happening here. It could be shock from rough transplanting, over watering (let the pots dry more), and they hate the room they are in and the lights, back off to a cfl or led until they show signs of recovery, reduce/stop watering and feeding until they start drinking again.

 

[Mass Medicinals]

Thanks for the helpful tips. We raised the light to above 30 inches from canopy. Gave the plants space between each other (3x3x3). We also fed them reduced nutes, CalMag & pH balanced water. Here is an update:

Also they are on 24/0 schedule right now because we can't keep temps above high 50's in the cold nights....

Day 0

Day 1

We think they look a lot happier in even just a single day difference.

 

[fearnoevil]

Did you say they were root bound when you transplanted them? If so, did you make any cuts in the root ball or attempt to break it up any? When they get root bound, I've always found it helpful to take a razor and make 3-4 vertical cuts, if it's a big one I'll gently dig my fingers in several spots and try to pry the outer edge/layer apart.

When done right I've not had much problem with shock, and they take off pretty quickly. Leaving a tight root ball intact can create some problems that look similar, including nute deficiencies, and it can take a lot longer for plants to recover. Good luck, hope they're on the mend ;?)

 

[GeneBanker]

In one set of pics they look drowned, not over watered. Couple that with 24 hours light, and you probably have them over stressed. Two of the plants are growing those long 3 clawed leaves that I always get from a flower cycle cut. The picture wih the plants in a 3x3 grid the center plant and the one to the left of it. Ive yet to pin down the exact cause but I know its stress related. They look like they will recover nicely

 

[Mass Medicinals]

Did you say they were root bound when you transplanted them? If so, did you make any cuts in the root ball or attempt to break it up any? When they get root bound, I've always found it helpful to take a razor and make 3-4 vertical cuts, if it's a big one I'll gently dig my fingers in several spots and try to pry the outer edge/layer apart.

When done right I've not had much problem with shock, and they take off pretty quickly. Leaving a tight root ball intact can create some problems that look similar, including nute deficiencies, and it can take a lot longer for plants to recover. Good luck, hope they're on the mend ;?)

Oh darn. So we just carefully transplanted them from solo to 1 gallon pots. The root bound balls were left intact. Perhaps that's what slowed down the expansion into the larger environment.

 

[Mass Medicinals]

In one set of pics they look drowned, not over watered. Couple that with 24 hours light, and you probably have them over stressed. Two of the plants are growing those long 3 clawed leaves that I always get from a flower cycle cut. The picture wih the plants in a 3x3 grid the center plant and the one to the left of it. Ive yet to pin down the exact cause but I know its stress related. They look like they will recover nicely

We are watering each pot when they get dry (perhaps too dry...) with 2 solo cups worth of water. Not a lot runs drips out when we give this much. Anything beyond 2 cups and yes there is plenty of runoff.

What do you mean by the 3 clawed leaves from flower cycle cut? These were cloned during flower, the clones were taken all the way through 12/12 to full harvest with buds on them (lack of space), and then revegged...

We're certainly hoping they recover.

Anyone have suggestions on how many plants this area should hold (4'x4'x7')?

we did 7 last time, but it was mainly indica's. And we let those veg for over 2 months before flowering. These are currently about a 6 weeks old. Not sure we can do 9 in this room if we let them veg much more. The plan would be to also put each into a 5 gallon pot for the flower cycle.

 

[GreenHighlander]

They aren"t looking so bad for revegged plants.
I recommend an oil filled electric heater to keep your temps up during lights off.
When I reveg I leave 1/3 of the buds and lower branches intact. Place under 24 hour light and within a month it is revegged and growing. I usually then put that plant into flowering after rooting a cut for a mother.
The three blade is what happens before it goes back into full veg from my experience.
I also recommend fabric pots for this method. It helps insure rootbound is not an issue.
Cheers

 

[GeneBanker]

I apologise, I mentioned the wrong pic. I looked through them for awhile and remembered them wrong. I defiantly had seen them. I mean Blade when I say claw too very sorry. I have the same experience as greenhighlander in that it takes about a month for them to revert. Yours look all but, I'd not reverted. It's a stressful time for the plant, and it's prob not working as hard and using as much resources as it reverts back. If you are having plenty of runoff from two solo cups, just water less, but more often, and go from there.

 

[Mass Medicinals]

Does anyone have any concerns for the space of this tent given we have 9 plants?

We were fortunate last round and yielded around 16 ounces. And would like to hopefully get something around that again. Yes we know this is typically laughed at. But it's important to us that we maximize our potential yield. If that means less plants we'll listen to the more skilled people here.

Comments are welcome!!!

 

[Lucky Luke]

I had a similar problem recently.
I up potted and revegged. Due to the root ball being tight it wasn't spreading out into the new soil. It also meant that I was over watering it and chasing my tail as the growth lost its green lustre. I ended up killing what I had. Lesson learnt.

 

[Lucky Luke]

Does anyone have any concerns for the space of this tent given we have 9 plants?

We were fortunate last round and yielded around 16 ounces. And would like to hopefully get something around that again. Yes we know this is typically laughed at. But it's important to us that we maximize our potential yield. If that means less plants we'll listen to the more skilled people here.

Comments are welcome!!!

1 plant or 90 plants. it doesn't really matter as long as the canopy is full.

 

[Mass Medicinals]

I had a similar problem recently.
I up potted and revegged. Due to the root ball being tight it wasn't spreading out into the new soil. It also meant that I was over watering it and chasing my tail as the growth lost its green lustre. I ended up killing what I had. Lesson learnt.

Jeez hopefully we don't run into that issue. Though we just bought $300 worth of seeds, so we really shouldn't waste time on these if they aren't performing.

Hard to make the chop, given the time spent getting them to this point.

 

[fearnoevil]

Jeez hopefully we don't run into that issue. Though we just bought $300 worth of seeds, so we really shouldn't waste time on these if they aren't performing.

Hard to make the chop, given the time spent getting them to this point.

Well they've made it this far, I wouldn't lose hope, they've got some issues but it doesn't look fatal yet, lol. If you are worried you could do some investigating - take the worst looking one and remove the container, lay it on it's side and carefully dig into the roots and see what the situation is.

If the new root system isn't looking like you think it should, you could try shaking off the new soil, even dip it in a bucket of water to get to the root-bound center and do some cutting/loosening of it, then re-pot it. It's a chore and the operation may kill the patient, lol, but might be worth it if it works OR the initial exam may show that the root system is starting to take off. Either way it could be a valuable lesson learned.

I think there's some videos on this, although not necessarily pertaining to cannabis, but gardening in general. I learned a lot about the root-bound issue from TV shows (Victory Garden is one I believe dealt with this some time ago) and probably others online.

 

[Mass Medicinals]

We will have another shot at repotting. These plants are going to 5 gallons this week.

Then plan will be to go 12/12 later in February.

 

[farmerfischer]

super silver haze? if so you may have issues with over croweding.. proper air flow through the canopy and under the canopy will be a must .. you may have to defoiliate some leaves at some point to help with air flow.. you don't want powdery mildew or bud rot.. jmo.

 

[GeneBanker]

I have serious doubts about 9 #5 pots in there. I can get 4 #7 pots comfortably in a 4x4 area.You are going to have your hands full. Here is 8 #7 pots in a 8x4. The plants are edge to edge in the tent,and center of the pot is 15" from the side of the tent. I promise you are overcrowded if you go to #5 pots

 

[Cx2H]

We will have another shot at repotting. These plants are going to 5 gallons this week.

Then plan will be to go 12/12 later in February.

Pretty sure you ain't getting all those in 5ga in that 3x3.

The most I can fit inside a 3x3 is 16 in square 2ga bato pots and that's wall to wall with zero space

I break soil off the root ball and free a couple of tips, if not they continue to circle inside the old root ball.

Fyi clones don't have tap roots..

 

[GeneBanker]

Pretty sure you ain't getting all those in 5ga in that 3x3.

The most I can fit inside a 3x3 is 16 in square 2ga bato pots and that's wall to wall with zero space

I break soil off the root ball and free a couple of tips, if not they continue to circle inside the old root ball.

Fyi clones don't have tap roots..

If i remember correct #7 and #5 are the same diameter #7 pots being an inch or so taller. 4 fit snug in 4x4 worth if space. I grow vertical for that reason. If i put a fifth pot in there its like a tour in Nam.

 

[Mass Medicinals]

Thanks for all the feedback.

We do have a 109 watt tent that can hold possibly 2 #5's should we need to fall back on space. We did 7 #5's in the 4x4 last round. But 4 were Indica and only 3 were SSH.

At this point the canopy hasn't even filled out yet. So we have time to decide.