The "D" day pool, best guess as to when Trump is out

DIY-HP-LED

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I have little to no wait times though.
how much is your rent? can't you go to jail for speech?
I own my own house, most Canadians do. Canada has some of the strictest liable laws on the planet, ya can get 2 years for criminal liable, Donald would not have done very well here. It doesn't affect freedom of speech though and if you can back up what you say with facts, you are free to say whatever you want. I don't hear any complaints about freedom of speech in Canada. We have a human rights commision that you would love though, takes care of racism real good.

Wait times are reasonable for the most part,no complaints about the health care
 

twostrokenut

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why wouldn't dreamers vote for republicans since you guys claim you aren't racists?

and why do you care about democratic votes since you claim to be libertarian (LOL) and not republican?

73% support legalizing children who were brought here through no fault of their own. but i guess you are just too scared of brown people no matter what.

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no you want to import votes and amnistey for all is buying votes as well. it's basically human trafficking for votes. it's criminal.

I own my own house, most Canadians do. Canada has some of the strictest liable laws in the country, ya can get 2 years for criminal liable, Donald would not have done very well here. It doesn't affect freedom of speech though and if you can back up what you say with facts, you are free to say whatever you want. I don't hear any complaints about freedom of speech in Canada. We have a human rights commision that you would love though, takes care of racism real good.
human rights commission. that's the people who give you nine months in jail for handing out mean pamphlets about Muslims?

and yet a physical sexual assault will get you only two months up there in Canada eh?
 

Fogdog

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no you want to import votes and amnistey for all is buying votes as well. it's basically human trafficking for votes. it's criminal.



human rights commission. that's the people who give you nine months in jail for handing out mean pamphlets about Muslims?

and yet a physical sexual assault will get you only two months up there in Canada eh?
Not surprising that a Nazi would be so dead set against civil rights.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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no you want to import votes and amnistey for all is buying votes as well. it's basically human trafficking for votes. it's criminal.



human rights commission. that's the people who give you nine months in jail for handing out mean pamphlets about Muslims?

and yet a physical sexual assault will get you only two months up there in Canada eh?
The pamphlet thing would be covered under the hate crime laws, a bit different, most civilized countries have them. As for sexual assault, that varies and I'm not too familiar with the sentencing range. We don't use the law as a bludgeon against those we don't like, we don't abuse the law like Americans do. The true purpose of the law is to protect communities of human beings and allow them to live in harmony for mutual benefit. We have different constitutional and legal traditions than America and not the gaping wound of racism and a history of civil war, no Jim crow laws in our history. Criminal law in Canada is federal, the provinces and provincial courts enforce it and there are also provincial (state) laws. Freedom can work in many different ways and with infinite variety, intentions are the most important thing.
 

twostrokenut

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The pamphlet thing would be covered under the hate crime laws, a bit different, most civilized countries have them. As for sexual assault, that varies and I'm not too familiar with the sentencing range. We don't use the law as a bludgeon against those we don't like, we don't abuse the law like Americans do. The true purpose of the law is to protect communities of human beings and allow them to live in harmony for mutual benefit. We have different constitutional and legal traditions than America and not the gaping wound of racism and a history of civil war, no Jim crow laws in our history. Criminal law in Canada is federal, the provinces and provincial courts enforce it and there are also provincial (state) laws. Freedom can work in many different ways and with infinite variety, intentions are the most important thing.
right, slavery was legal and practiced in Canada until the 1830s right? and it took us another 30 years.

do Canadians enjoy the protected right to speech or not?
 

DIY-HP-LED

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right, slavery was legal and practiced in Canada until the 1830s right? and it took us another 30 years.

do Canadians enjoy the protected right to speech or not?
Slavery ended in the British empire in the 1820's, it has nearly ruined America and in the 1860's nearly destroyed it. Treason is still reenacted every summer on the old battle fields and tiki torch wielding fools worship at the statues of forgotten heroes of a lost cause. The old confederacy is still getting it's revenge on America and still dabbling with treason too, this time with russians.

My speech is as protected as I want it to be and there is nothing I want to say that I can't, the constitution was written by men not God, there is nothing sacred about the first amendment and the second one has gotta be the dumbest glitch in the document. I do like the gun laws in Canada, we have a fraction of the homicide rate and don't live in fear, feels good too. If ya call a black person a name ya get the shit kicked outta ya and so ya should, no hiding behind a gun. Ya also get charged, which saves a few shit kickings I'm sure.
 

Olive Drab Green

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right, slavery was legal and practiced in Canada until the 1830s right? and it took us another 30 years.

do Canadians enjoy the protected right to speech or not?
That’s a pretty retarded question. Canada legalized Cannabis while the US is aiming to ramp the Drug War back up so the Republicans can make more money off the incarceration of American Citizens in blatant defiance of public will. Canada’s clearly got more freedom of speech than we do here in America. You can thank a Republican for that. Any of them, really, just pick one and say “Thank you for oppressing me in what was supposed to be the Land of the Free, GOP.”
 

Olive Drab Green

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no you want to import votes and amnistey for all is buying votes as well. it's basically human trafficking for votes. it's criminal.
So is assisting a hostile foreign nation to sabotage the US electoral process and subverting the American people. Pretty sure that falls somewhere between espionage and treason. But, hey, who cares, right? By the way, if you support a traitor, you, yourself, are a traitor. You unAmerican traitor piece of dogshit.

What an ignorant fucking fool. “Importing votes.” How about offering asylum to families and children of a violence-stricken country and expanding the diversity of the American way of life?
 

UncleBuck

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no you want to import votes and amnistey for all is buying votes as well. it's basically human trafficking for votes. it's criminal.
damn, cry harder bitch.

these were kids brought here through no fault of their own. you want to give a speeding ticket to a child in the passenger;s seat. except instead of a speeding ticket, you ship the poor kid off to some country they've never known.

pure white supremacist insecurity is all that your position can be described as.
 

Sir Napsalot

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My speech is as protected as I want it to be and there is nothing I want to say that I can't, the constitution was written by men not God, there is nothing sacred about the first amendment and the second one has gotta be the dumbest glitch in the document. I do like the gun laws in Canada, we have a fraction of the homicide rate and don't live in fear, feels good too.
I generally like what you have to say but I don't share your fear of guns
 

Huckster79

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Yea i dont hear any outrage from conservatives that Trump, of all people, want tougher libel laws and such. The GOP is for security and order except when it NRARA (Nation Russian & Assault Rifle Association) not for freedom of any type. It claims laisse fair but thats only for corporations not personal expression and actions. Moral behavior must be regulated, for they know better if cannabis is good for me, what women may do with their body, who can love who, etc. "Father knows best" mindset.

An old friend of mine always told me, "a conservative will always choose order and security over freedom" its just how a conservative is wired...
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I generally like what you have to say but I don't share your fear of guns
Guns are like landmines, more guns more deaths. In the most dangerous parts of the world almost every kid had an AK47, ya weren't particularly safe in those places.

We have guns in Canada, but there are restrictions on them, registration and storage, mag capacity etc. Handguns are very restricted, since their only purpose is to kill other human beings (target practice is also for this purpose really). Ya don't save anybody's life by having anti pot laws, but you'd save tens of thousands a year with reasonable gun laws.

A car is more useful for protecting your freedom than a gun and ya gotta register and licence it, ya also need a licence and a medical exam (sight) to drive it. Are guns scared? Common sense is my position, reasonable restrictions save money, lives and make ya more free. When a cop pulls you over in Canada, ya don't automatically have a gun shoved in yer face and told to kneel in front of the policeman, that's more freedom, also the cop isn't scared shitless.

Guns are American business, treason by a president in the struggle against a common foe concerns me more. Almost all the hand gun violence in Canada comes from American weapons smuggled into the country.

Someone once defined a Canadian as an unarmed American with free healthcare.:lol:
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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Yea i dont hear any outrage from conservatives that Trump, of all people, want tougher libel laws and such. The GOP is for security and order except when it NRARA (Nation Russian & Assault Rifle Association) not for freedom of any type. It claims laisse fair but thats only for corporations not personal expression and actions. Moral behavior must be regulated, for they know better if cannabis is good for me, what women may do with their body, who can love who, etc. "Father knows best" mindset.

An old friend of mine always told me, "a conservative will always choose order and security over freedom" its just how a conservative is wired...
Nobody knows what Trump is talking about, not even Trump, there are no federal libel laws, it's all state law, 50 of em.

This election, young people, minorities and women will be out in force and are highly motivated. Trump has covered many of his supporters in shame and betrayal, I don't think many are gonna break a leg getting to the polls for Donald. Republicans in congress have failed to check Trump, even if they impeach him this summer, the GOP is still gonna be punished and Pence will have to deal with a hostile congress, I don't think he will survive either. Pence is into this shit up to his eyeballs and knows too much, any reasonable investigation will reveal this, he might resign however and go into the sunset, Donald is going to a supermax.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/30/us/politics/can-trump-change-libel-laws.html
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Can the president change libel laws?
No. Libel law is a state-law tort
, meaning that state courts and state legislatures have defined its contours.

Since the Supreme Court’s 1964 decision in New York Times v. Sullivan, the Supreme Court has placed constitutional limits on how states can define libel, notably by requiring public officials and, later, public figures to prove actual malice. That protection was needed, Justice William J. Brennan Jr. wrote, to vindicate a “profound national commitment to the principle that debate on public issues should be uninhibited, robust and wide-open.”

Such debate, Justice Brennan wrote, “may well include vehement, caustic and sometimes unpleasantly sharp attacks on government and public "
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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Yea i dont hear any outrage from conservatives that Trump, of all people, want tougher libel laws and such. The GOP is for security and order except when it NRARA (Nation Russian & Assault Rifle Association) not for freedom of any type. It claims laisse fair but thats only for corporations not personal expression and actions. Moral behavior must be regulated, for they know better if cannabis is good for me, what women may do with their body, who can love who, etc. "Father knows best" mindset.

An old friend of mine always told me, "a conservative will always choose order and security over freedom" its just how a conservative is wired...
About 30% of any population like authoritarianism and doesn't understand or value freedom. Tribalism and fear of the "other" can increase this number significantly, reduce fear and you reduce the negative political consequences of it, ya get less Trumps that way and the GOP evolves. Instead the GOP devolved into a racist organisation with the reaction to the presidency of Obama. It's almost like a zombie of the old confederacy rose mouldering from the ground for one last gasp before disintegrating into bones and dust..

Generally speaking pot users and growers are among the oppressed and tend to know the value of freedom a little better than your average citizen. Most folks are here to both share with each other and hide from each other, freedom changes that, ya don't need to hide anymore. Texas still has capital punishment for cannabis, I'm pretty sure it's still on the books. For that matter so are all the federal laws against cannabis and Jeff is eager to enforce all of them. If it were up to Jeff Sessions, you'd be having one Helluva time right about now. Fortunately, even the stupidest among the GOP know what would happen in the aftermath of such a drug war. Ya still have it hanging over yer head though, that's not freedom, when a super majority thinks it should be legal.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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The timing for the downfall of Donald has to be right, will it happen before the summer break or after? Perhaps some stuff to prime the public with before and during the summer, then go after the big fish after congress returns. The democrats want the maximum impact on the midterm election and the republicans wanna minimise it, Mueller doesn't give a fuck, he wants Trump out of the WH and into a prison.

Mueller has a fearsome reputation and a whole lot of respect for a reason and that should make anybody guilty with a brain very nervous. He's also assembled a legal dream team many who left lucrative partnerships to take on this task. One other thing, Mueller is up against an impulsive, undisciplined moron, who confessed on national TV, left a paper and electronic trail of evidence a mile wide and who has surrounded himself with sociopathic yes men who will instantly cut his throat.

The issue is not in doubt, just the timing...
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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Some reading, if yer interested
Money man

Reclusive U.S. billionaire Robert Mercer helped Donald Trump win the presidency. But what is his ultimate goal?

By Keith Boag

01/18/18

The day after U.S. President Donald Trump learned that a gossipy White House tell-all included quotes that his son was “treasonous” and his daughter “dumb as a brick," Trump's mysterious billionaire backers Robert and Rebekah Mercer did a very rare thing and publicly fired back.

Rebekah Mercer issued a statement about Trump’s former strategist and Mercer family friend Steve Bannon — the source of the offending comments — that sawed him off like a gangrenous limb.

“My family and I have not communicated with Steve Bannon in many months, and have provided no financial support to his political agenda, nor do we support his recent actions and statements,” it said.

Five days later, Bannon was fired from his perch at the top of Breitbart News, where Rebekah Mercer is a shareholder.

Most of the commentary that followed focused on whether the Bannon-Trump collaboration was well and truly over. Less attention was given to the news that the Mercers’ estrangement from Bannon had actually begun months earlier, and that this might be the more consequential breakup.

It seems that a year after Trump's election, their association with Bannon had become an embarrassment for them.

Bannon’s relationship with Robert Mercer is cited in a remarkable lawsuit brought by David Magerman, a former employee of Mercer’s hedge fund, Renaissance Technologies. On its surface, the lawsuit is a wrongful dismissal complaint against Mercer. But at its heart, it is an indictment of Mercer’s character and reputation that draws together his political views, his connections to Bannon and Trump and racist comments Mercer allegedly made to Magerman directly.

'If the world knew what Mercer was trying to do, they wouldn't stand for it.'

“I have a lot of respect for Bob Mercer. I think he’s a very intelligent person, a very thoughtful person,” Magerman told me recently. But he quickly added, “If the world knew what he was trying to do, they wouldn’t stand for it.”

Seen from a distance, Mercer can appear like a Bond movie villain. A computer scientist-turned hedge fund billionaire, he is reclusive and taciturn. He does not do interviews. He stays out of sight sailing the world in his luxurious, high-tech super yacht, Sea Owl, or holed up in his Long Island estate, Owl’s Nest, while plotting the political transformation of America.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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But when he backed Trump’s presidential campaign in 2016 and helped install Bannon to run it, people began asking more seriously, “Who is this man?”

Mercer barely talks to anyone. Trump once joked at a party that the longest conversation he’s ever had with “Bob” was just “two words.” That’s an anecdote from Jane Mayer’s 2017 profile of Mercer in The New Yorker, which, like most of what’s been written about him, was based on evidence from people such as Magerman.

Magerman is a multi-millionaire — the lower nine-figure range, he said — who, like many employees at Renaissance Technologies, became rich through his relationship with Mercer.

Unlike most of them, Magerman is not afraid to be publicly critical of how Mercer has used his money in politics.

“People weren’t aware of what was going on in 2016. It looked like some eccentric billionaire was giving money to political causes the way people normally do,” Magerman said. “I knew that he was actually trying to do something different than that.”

Mercer’s fortune and Bannon’s media instincts combined with a shared ideology to produce the anti-liberal, anti-Clinton ecosystem that includes Breitbart, the conservative non-profit Citizens United, the book Clinton Cash and much more. Together, they oversaw the data analysis company Cambridge Analytica, whose impact on the UK’s Brexit referendum and the 2016 U.S. election remain troublesomely murky.

For a long time, even Magerman didn’t know about Mercer’s political interests or his ultra-libertarian, minimalist-government goals.

“When I read all that, I felt not only did I have to do something,” Magerman said, “but I’d been negligent in not doing something earlier.”

Magerman is the first to admit that he has a tendency toward anxiety, a combative disposition and a sense of moral righteousness. He’s fond of talking about the time, years ago, when a colleague he was visiting summoned a helicopter to his estate to whisk them into Manhattan.

There was no life-or-death reason for the extravagance, not even a business emergency. They were just going to a dinner, he says, and his friend rented the chopper to avoid the bother of traffic. From the helicopter, Magerman saw his fellow citizens travelling along a thin ribbon of perfectly good highway below. It became a seminal moment in his life that he replayed for me in a series of short bursts.

“Either you are in awe of the grandeur of commuting, taking a two-hour drive and turning it into a helicopter ride, or you can just be, like, disgusted by the waste.” As though there were even a sliver of doubt, Magerman added, “I was in the latter category.”

It wasn’t just the waste that gnawed at him — it was the trespass of a moral principle. The helicopter commute was an example of something that, if everyone did it, would obviously be wrong. ”10,000 people can’t be flying helicopters from their backyard,” he said.

Magerman calls that helicopter trip “extra-societal” and “outside the realm of normal behavior,” words that also fit what he believes is wrong with Mercer’s relationship to the president. Magerman thinks Mercer has bought special access to impose “extra-societal” views on the Trump administration.

Magerman, who now spends much of his time at his sprawling estate in the wealthy Philadelphia suburb of Merion Station, is uncommonly thoughtful about the impact on U.S. political life of rich people like himself, and especially the ones he calls “the instant billionaires,” like Mercer.

“The ultra-wealthy of today differ from the ultra-wealthy in past eras in that they have, a lot of them, no stake in the infrastructure of society,” Magerman said. He’s seen that their wealth does not depend on the health and stability of the country. In fact, they get rich on volatility and instability.

Organizations that track who spends money in politics have noted the same thing. Sarah Bryner, research director at the Washington-based Center for Responsive Politics, said “hedge fund wealth is a sort of recent phenomenon, at least in the campaign finance world.”

“It’s not like you’re working for [big banks such as ] Chase or Wells Fargo, in a very well-regulated and huge industry” with obvious policy aims.

High net worth individuals aren’t like that at all, she said. “With Mercer, we don’t really know much about why he’s getting involved.”

Mercer’s company, Renaissance Technologies, employs a select group of people who are seemingly capable of making money from nothing.

Mercer is not a finance guy; he is a computer scientist. But his research developing speech translation programs through pattern recognition can apparently also be used to discover obscure patterns in the financial markets and make an enormous fortune — as he and his team have done.

Renaissance became what some believe is the greatest hedge fund ever by looking down its nose at the methods of people actually trained in finance.
 
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