Greenpoint seeds!!

[Chunky Stool]

Phenotype expression and growing conditions can change flowering times, maybe you need to dial in your room better to see similar flowering times to the breeder.

Which flowering time from the breeder? The one on the web site, or the one on the pack?
That's kind of what we are talking about -- the mismatch between the two.
Keep in mind that you have no idea what the pack says until you've actually got it in your hand.

 

[Yodaweed]

Which flowering time from the breeder? The one on the web site, or the one on the pack?
That's kind of what we are talking about -- the mismatch between the two.
Keep in mind that you have no idea what the pack says until you've actually got it in your hand.

Could be some discrepancies on info out there but if it grows fire who cares , seems like you guys are just finding anything to bitch about.

 

[Chunky Stool]

Could be some discrepancies on info out there but if it grows fire who cares , seems like you guys are just finding anything to bitch about.

What part of buying for the short flower time didn't you get? I fucking selected it because it had a short flower time -- and it doesn't.
And I'm not the only one.

 

[Heisengrow]

Could be some discrepancies on info out there but if it grows fire who cares , seems like you guys are just finding anything to bitch about.

A seed missing or cutting your finger on a seed pack cause it didnt have a hazardas sticker would be something just to bitch about.3 week mis match in flowering time labels is far from it.

 

[Bakersfield]

Hibernate says 65-75 but web page says 50-60.
Again, fast flower time is one of the reasons I bought this.

Sounds like some good old fashion false advertising, but there could be an idiot punching in the code, over @ Greenpoint, that just doesn't know any better - an honest mistake.

I don't really pay too much attention to finish times unless I'm growing some equatorial hybrids.
I don't think anything crossed with StarDawgy is going to finish under 9 weeks unless the Madre is some super fast variety.
@Amos Otis, I grew a 5 pack of GTH fems and they were done for me in 84 days, but some may have taken them to 13 weeks.
I'd imagine the Hickok to go 11 weeks.

 

[Tangerine_]

Telling it like it is,is stop looking to the breeder for every damn thing....

If you want to chop at 60 days chop at 60 days...wtf...

It's easy as that,and also look at the genetics you are getting..

^^THIS^^
Expecting a package or website to give you an exact chop date is a bit much. You can have a couple different phenos from a single pack that have varied finishing times...usually no more than 10 days or so.

Research your genetics. Most chems I've run take a minimum of 60-70 days. Crossed to a haze I'd anticipate 70+

I mean, c'mon you guys...its not as if we're talking about 16-20wk landrace sativas labeled with an 8wk finish.

And no two grow rooms are the same. I swear this poor guy cant do enough to please people.

 

[Yodaweed]

What part of buying for the short flower time didn't you get? I fucking selected it because it had a short flower time -- and it doesn't.
And I'm not the only one.

A seed missing or cutting your finger on a seed pack cause it didnt have a hazardas sticker would be something just to bitch about.3 week mis match in flowering time labels is far from it.

Could have been a typo, GPS seems pretty legit to me.

 

[higher self]

Cali Cannon round 2

 

[psychadelibud]

You guys that are having issues with accepting the flowering times, I have some advice.

Set your system up to be perpetual and customized to your preference and I promise you it won't matter a bit. That is the answer to your problem.

Besides, I have ran tons of packs of seeds that supposedly have a 55 to 60 day flowering period and in the end you will always end up running those plants at least 60 to 70 days. Also pheno variation comes into play. You may get one pheno that will run 70 days and one that might run 58 or 60. It is so hard to determine and exact finishing date, and yes I know that you guys are not implying that but just saying.

I respect @Gu~ for putting maximum flowering period estimates on those packages, he is again, I said it... An honest man. Most breeders knowingly will sale you seeds that have a supposed short flowering time knowing they will run at least a week or two over in order to grab you buy the balls and shake n empty your wallet to choose their gear.

If anything by Gu~ putting the longer flowering period and a more realistic truth on his packages, makes me happy to know he is an honest man. I know the flowering times may be different on the web than what is printed on the package, but there are so many things that could account for this. It could be a mistake or misprint, it could be that since further testings, his results have changed and over time a documentation of finishing time on said strains have proved that the average has changed to a more accurate number over a longer period of documenting tests.

Some of you guys (not all), are getting freebies and hookups and still complaining and as much as I buy from him and bring him customers to the table, not once have I ever got any kind of extra seed or definitely no free packs... But even knowing some do, you won't see me complain.

Relax... His gear is fire, and that is what is important. So if you REALLY wanna grow that fire and you REALLY are interested in his gear and don't wanna feel like you have "thrown your money away", make some changes to your grow style. Sacrifice the change for something better and grow perpetual.

Peace.

 

[Chunky Stool]

^^THIS^^
Expecting a package or website to give you an exact chop date is a bit much. You can have a couple different phenos from a single pack that have varied finishing times...usually no more than 10 days or so.

Research your genetics. Most chems I've run take a minimum of 60-70 days. Crossed to a haze I'd anticipate 70+

I mean, c'mon you guys...its not as if we're talking about 16-20wk landrace sativas labeled with an 8wk finish.

And no two grow rooms are the same. I swear this poor guy cant do enough to please people.

Jesus fucking christ!
Read more carefully.
This is about the mismatch, not getting the flower time perfect.

 

[Chunky Stool]

You guys that are having issues with accepting the flowering times, I have some advice.

Set your system up to be perpetual and customized to your preference and I promise you it won't matter a bit. That is the answer to your problem.

Besides, I have ran tons of packs of seeds that supposedly have a 55 to 60 day flowering period and in the end you will always end up running those plants at least 60 to 70 days. Also pheno variation comes into play. You may get one pheno that will run 70 days and one that might run 58 or 60. It is so hard to determine and exact finishing date, and yes I know that you guys are not implying that but just saying.

I respect @Gu~ for putting maximum flowering period estimates on those packages, he is again, I said it... An honest man. Most breeders knowingly will sale you seeds that have a supposed short flowering time knowing they will run at least a week or two overm in order to grab you buy the balls and shake n empty your wallet to choose their gear.

If anything by Gu~ putting the longer flowering period am nd a more realistic truth on his packages, makes me happy to know he is an honest man. I know the flowering times may be different on the web than what is printed on the package, but there are so many things that could account for this. It could be a mistake or misprint, it could be that since further testings, his results have changed and over time a documentation of finishing time on said strains have proved that the average has changed to a more accurate number over a longer period of documenting tests.

Some of you guys (not all), are getting freebies and hookups and still complaining and as much as I buy from him and bring him customers to the table, not once have I ever got any kind of extra seed or definitely no free packs... But even knowing some do, you won't see me complain.

Relax... His gear is fire, and that is what is important. So if you REALLY wanna grow that fire and you REALLY are interested in his gear and don't wanna feel like you have "thrown your money away", make some changes to your grow style. Sacrifice the change for something better and grow perpetual.

Peace.

GODAMMIT
This is about the mismatch!
The freebie wasn't even really free. I worked for it.

 

[higher self]

Ive ran multiple sativas that were supposed to take 14-16 weeks but were done in 11. You just have to grow them out you could get anything lol!

 

[Doc13]

who said anything about giving shits? or professionally growing?
besides, those numbers are for his professional room, his controls, habits.
ever grow unknown stock? a clone renamed? geesh..happens all the time. professional growers look at the genetics,
water uptake, trichomes, calyx, pistils, google even sometimes. I bet either date on that pack would produce fire by most accounts, and have indeed, read the reviews
finish is subjective. even here hundreds say amber, some say never, some want some clear some cloudy. those subjective differences/preferences coupled with differing rooms would easily account for another 20 days of the finish, subjectively of course.

Obviously, it's all subjective. But most dates are currently SHORTER than they used to be. Which means all my planning gets thrown out the window and I currently have to decide whether to let some go too long or not give them a proper flush. Which IS a big deal.

 

[Yodaweed]

Harvest times are also a personal preference to the high your going for, if you like a more uppity high harvesting a week earlier is a real thing.

 

[psychadelibud]

Besides... If you guys honestly are going to take a week or so difference in finishing time that seriously. Seeds are NOT your answer.

Clones is the answer to what you really need. Something guaranteed that has no variation whatsoever.

Or, take my advice and grow perpetually.

Understand that no matter what the breeder puts on those packs it will ALWAYS change and rarely will it ever be accurate. You can not get a clone in a seed and although there are some super stable genetics out there, seeds are variable and unpredictable.

I'm not being a smart ass or arguing with y'all just stating the truth and maybe try and help you guys choose a different route that will better suit your needs and requirements.

 

[Goats22]

^^THIS^^
Expecting a package or website to give you an exact chop date is a bit much. You can have a couple different phenos from a single pack that have varied finishing times...usually no more than 10 days or so.

Research your genetics. Most chems I've run take a minimum of 60-70 days. Crossed to a haze I'd anticipate 70+

I mean, c'mon you guys...its not as if we're talking about 16-20wk landrace sativas labeled with an 8wk finish.

And no two grow rooms are the same. I swear this poor guy cant do enough to please people.

it's not like they're asking a lot. you can't show two completely different flowering times from the website to the pack. they just want some consistency. it also seems weird to me that breeder flower times are just assumed to mean nothing. what is the point of even listing it then? chunky has bought and contributed tons to this thread. he is not attacking Gu~, just giving honest feedback and voicing frustration because while flowering times from breeders might be a bit of a crapshoot, a discrepancy of 3 weeks is pretty extreme.

i have given Gu~ honest, almost brutal feedback and he liked my post. i bet you he changes either the packaging or the website after this.

 

[Chunky Stool]

Besides... If you guys honestly are going to take a week or so difference in finishing time that seriously. Seeds are NOT your answer.

Clones is the answer to what you really need. Something guaranteed that has no variation whatsoever.

Or, take my advice and grow perpetually.

Understand that no matter what the breeder puts on those packs it will ALWAYS change and rarely will it ever be accurate. You can not get a clone in a seed and although there are some super stable genetics out there, seeds are variable and unpredictable.

I'm not being a smart ass or arguing with y'all just stating the truth and maybe try and help you guys choose a different route that will better suit your needs and requirements.

For the billionth fucking time... it's about the mismatch, NOT getting the flower time perfect.
The web data is what many people use to make buying decisions.

 

[Tangerine_]

Jesus fucking christ!
Read more carefully.
This is about the mismatch, not getting the flower time perfect.

That point was already addressed. He's had some glitches.
And to be completely honest, I've never even bothered to look at the finishing time on the packs OR the website. Nearly everything he listed has been hit with his Stardawg male. Its really easy research the crosses to get a better feel for what to expect.
Example - I started my Bandit Breath 2 wks earlier than I did my Bodhi Apollo 11 because I knew the BB would take longer to finish. I also run perpetual and sometimes the varied finishing times do throw things off a bit but not by much more than a wk or so.

 

[GreenHighlander]

I agree with what had been said. Flowering times are meant as a general idea of finishing. That being said this 3 week difference from website to packaging is pretty ridiculous. That is what makes me think it is some type of processing error. I would also be sour to make the purchase only to find a 3 week difference on the breeders guideline.
Cheers

 

[Chunky Stool]

That point was already addressed. He's had some glitches.
And to be completely honest, I've never even bothered to look at the finishing time on the packs OR the website. Nearly everything he listed has been hit with his Stardawg male. Its really easy research the crosses to get a better feel for to expect.
Example - I started my Bandit Breath 2 wk earlier than I did my Bodhi Apollo 11 because I knew the BB would take longer to finish. I also run perpetual and sometimes the varied finishing times to throw things off a bit but no by more than a wk or so

I think the problem is that people think everyone else grows like they do.
Some growers really don't give a rats ass how long it takes for a crop to finish, which is fine.
Other growers turnkey (zero delay between chop & flipping new crop) and a three week discrepancy could cause major problems in the rotation.
I was looking for seeds to grow outdoors in the pacific northwest. I've gotta chop before October, ready or not.
I wanted Tomahawk for my outdoor crop, but there's no fucking way after finding out (the hard way) that it takes 70-80 days to flower...