What the heck is going on with pot prices?

[UncleBuck]

I know what you are thinking . In a way your not wrong thinking it.
In a way you are. .first off I am doing electrical.load calculations site lay out . Estimates on what the materials what kind of power how much power it will take , where the power runs to how many light are needed what kind of times for the curtains and light will be used .
How many gallons of water will be needed and how big the storage tanks will be needed . Tomorrow I will be doing load calculations for cooling on a building . Go home work up designs and estemates.
What I personally doing is not illegal. Now for you growers ,
If the federal government wants you they will get you there is nothing you can do about it. How much space do you think the federal government has in prisons to throw weed growers and dealers into prison? All of us seriously ?
They do not have enough prison space so what they are doing is going after the real hard ass's who are involved with other things other than marijuana .
When senator Orin hatch from Utah says hey, uh maybe we should reschedule this ND at least open it up for medical research even the hard ass conservatives are coming around it's only a matter of time it gets rescheduled at the federal level.
The ninth and tenth amendments to the US Constitution states all powers not relegated to the US government by the Constitution are reserved to the states and to the people.
I do understand that the federal government t rarely follows the Constitution and to many idiots in this country have no understanding of it.
If the federal government starts busting people for weed there will be a supreme Court challenge and they will lose that case.
The last thing in the world they want to happen

the controlled substances act is a federal law, and federal laws are supreme over state laws.

trump's first signing statement was that he reserved the right to bust pot growers. sessions has a hard on for pot growers.

but keep up the wishful thinking, and the rest of us thank you for voting for that. just because you are deeply insecure about "illegals".

ignorance combined with hatred is a terrible mix.

 

[max420thc]

the controlled substances act is a federal law, and federal laws are supreme over state laws.

trump's first signing statement was that he reserved the right to bust pot growers. sessions has a hard on for pot growers.

but keep up the wishful thinking, and the rest of us thank you for voting for that. just because you are deeply insecure about "illegals".

ignorance combined with hatred is a terrible mix.

Dude the flow of power is like this . The most powerful is you.
The next is the county you live in.
The next is your state . Then the lowest power is the federal government.
For some reason you want to give all your power to the federal government then you and everyone else gets to live like a slave under them .
This is how it's supposed to work but somehow alot of that role got changed when the federal government over threw the power of the people and states .
If you followed the Bundy case any at all it was dismissed with prejudice against the government.
The founding documents of the country states when the federal government gets out of control it is out DUTY to over throw the government because it is tyrannical and illegal.
Jefferson stated also it was our duty to disobey unconstitutional laws and it was our duty to disobey them
Several supreme Court decision over the years state any law passed by the US Congress that is against the Constitution are NULL and VOID.
If you are scared of the government is because liberals like YOU have allowed them to steal too much power. .

 

[SchmoeJoe]

You get taxed by canopy size , doesn't matter how many plants, each county is different , each county has its own rules though , soon to be a 150 dollar per lb tax by the state of California.
There are a lot of big boys here all of them do things different . Some grow raised beds, some fabric containers , MOST I have seen grow in 100 gallon fabric pots, a general rule of thumb for production is 4 lbs per 100 gallons of dirt.
400 gallon pots can produce around 16 lbs each.
BUT you have to have a extended veg time that many , most growers do not have the time nor space to have that many plants to veg for that long a period.
So MOST of the big boys do not grow in 400 gallon containers
Of course we are talking about outdoor growers indoor and light dep are different.

After a certain threshold I get about a pound per week of veg with the higher yielding strains. I haven't done the math with the lower yielders.

 

[SchmoeJoe]

the controlled substances act is a federal law, and federal laws are supreme over state laws".

The constitution specific gives states priority over medical decisions and commerce that only effects the state making the decision. The CSA clearly violates the constitution on both fronts.

 

[SchmoeJoe]

yep, the revolution is gonna hit the streets after they bust a few pot growers alright. just keep telling yourself that.

It's not about the government busting a few pot growers. It's the blatant contradiction of the will of the people and acting in direct conflict with the best interest of the people.

 

[max420thc]

After a certain threshold I get about a pound per week of veg with the higher yielding strains. I haven't done the math with the lower yielders.

I get it brother but that also has everything to do with container size too.
Four months with a 400 gal would be 16 lbs give or take depending on strain and container size .

 

[SchmoeJoe]

The picture did not load . But there has been a fire in this area. In order to veg 2000 plants to 4 months you would have to have a good size facility to veg them that long. Some guys in mendo do it. In trinitty himbolt lake county's . Whole mountainsides of raised bed containers at around 1oo to 150 gallons each cut out of the side of mountains in trinitty.
They stated vegging in heated hoop houses around February and go into the ground around the end of April first of May. Bud cycle in the region starts around the first of August .
You would need acres of hoops houses to veg that many plants 4 months .

By doing staged light dep crops starting earlier you can get the same over all yield in less space and spread your harvests out over the entire season.

 

[SchmoeJoe]

Are you running a drip system to all the pots? Nice.

That's the only way.

 

[SchmoeJoe]

Yes, drip system , hooked to 3000 and ten thousand gallon tanks, this particular site goes through around 3500 gallons a day .

That's crazy water usage. I usually water about once every 2-4 weeks during the peak of the heat.

 

[SchmoeJoe]

Good job , great production.
We get between 4 and 8 depending on the strain outside in 100 gallon fabric pots

What size plant/pot and time those go outside? My lower yielders are 3-4 withthe higher yielders doing that 7 or so after being out in the last week of May at literally 4" tall in a 4" pot with about 4 nodes.

Honestly this isn't just me trying to show off, I'm really down for the exchange of ideas and want one or both of us to learn some things from this. Also, those 12" inline fans were replaced with 2 speed 3,500/5,500 cfm whole house fans shortly after the pic.

 

[max420thc]

Wow, I have a lot of catching up to do lol. Not to nit pick but the proprietary stats for Waterfurnace was 25 years ago lol and only because it was DC voltage, digital battery powered stats would work, just don't run the common, someone should have told you but they kept that secret lol. But yup some communicating top end wifi stats can get up to the $1000 range. Anyways yes you hate them, I can live with that lol. But really your repair prices a fucked up when the whole unit can be had for well under $15000. Just sold a Geosmart 2 stage, 6 ton for $14.000 re&re, and our margins are in the +100% range. As for getting shit in the loop, well there is a reason why you filter the glycol or whatever through the flush process . I'm beginning to think you should PM me on your next service call, I may be able to help . I'm not going to change your mind and not trying, I'm just trying to add a bit of reality to this conversation. Gone way past the per gram cost of pot though which I still maintain is, here anyways, way beyond what an underground grower can do and still make huge, wish I was young again lol.

I wish I were young again to brother.
I can put in a conventional furnace for someone else mind in a residence for 2000 dollars , and I can change it out 6 more times. Around 700 dollars cost for furnace and equipment.
To me Geo isn't even economicly theasable.
It's not that they are hard to work on all it is is a heat pump with a water cooled coil burried in the ground and a expensive fuck up from the start to finish.
Just my opinion as the unit will never save the customer the amount they spend on installing it repairing it and changing it out when it goes bad.

 

[SchmoeJoe]

I get it brother but that also has everything to do with container size too.
Four months with a 400 gal would be 16 lbs give or take depending on strain and container size .

As long as it doesn't get root bound. It may seem like a dumb idea to think that a plant could get root bound in 400 gallons but they hit an exponential growth period. I've peeled back the mulch layer to find roots that were a foot Iong above ground that weren't there the day before after watering. Of course running synthetics that might not be much of an issue. You're pretty doing a dtw hydro bucket at that point.

Mine are at about 8 weeks veg when I'm hitting that 7. Another 8 weeks and I'd be right around 16 too. Only thing is that they'd also be about 16' wide and they wouldn't even fit in my yard anymore with them two wide like they are and the way I prune. That's where the light dep comes in. I can harvest two sets from the yard and get 14 per planting site and spread the harvest labor out while getting both of my crops off in the peak demand season. If I had the room for 4 hoophouses instead of 2 I could make that 10 apiece and get a third crop from each one for 30 from each planting site.

As it is I'm looking at 80 from my small backyard while staying inside the plant restrictions. With the other hoophouses it would be 180. Of course that's never going to happen if I keep putting so much time into talking about it instead of doing it.

 

[max420thc]

By doing staged light dep crops starting earlier you can get the same over all yield in less space and spread your harvests out over the entire season.

I love light deep .
Awesome best way to grow . Initial start up can be expensive but you can purchase them custom made from China through Alibaba .
For around 14000 or so bit depends on size and construction.
I would have to have one built with heavy duty insulated plastic insulated panels .
And furnaces to heat it.

 

[SchmoeJoe]

How do you veg outside when it's cold? For four months or so?
I am talking to my client about building hoop houses but still to get 16 lb plants they need extended periods of veg inside hoops houses that are heated before spring , normal veg time is around 6 to 8 weeks to produce 4 lb plants.
You would have to start vegging them in December or so in order to have them large enough to get to 16 lbs for the season ,
2000 plants vegged in 25 gallon containers so they do not get root bound takes substantial time and space.
If they want more production they just put another plant into the ground

I've seen two ply inflatable hoophouses holding temps in the low eighties through days that don't get above freezing with nothing but trapped heat from sunlight. You still have to use supplemental light and heaters.
The thing about proper light dep is that where it's beyond impractical to put the work in to get 16 pounds from one plant harvested at the end of the year with the light dep you can harvest that same site 4 or 5 times. With the low yielding 4 pounder I could still get 20 pounds in a season in the same space everyone says 16 is next to impossible.

 

[SchmoeJoe]

I am sorry I can't answer all of your questions about extraction.
There are class' s in my area on BHO extraction machines in my area I plan on taking .
Honestly I'm not a huge fan of extracts.
I do them very little. I've only blasted a couple of times and after smoking it a few times I don't even get high on it.
Immunity and tolerance to it is fast to where I no longer get high on it.
The extractions only remove a few of the canablnlids in the material and the other 24 or so canabanoids get left in the plant . I get higher off of the flower.
The first time or two you do it you get super high after that not much of anything.
I do not smoke while I am working so when I get back home I will get smashed .

Yep, most extracts are seriously lacking in the entourage effect.

 

[SchmoeJoe]

I love light deep .
Awesome best way to grow . Initial start up can be expensive but you can purchase them custom made from China through Alibaba .
For around 14000 or so bit depends on size and construction.
I would have to have one built with heavy duty insulated plastic insulated panels .
And furnaces to heat it.

Check out Ceres.

 

[max420thc]

What size plant/pot and time those go outside? My lower yielders are 3-4 withthe higher yielders doing that 7 or so after being out in the last week of May at literally 4" tall in a 4" pot with about 4 nodes.

Honestly this isn't just me trying to show off, I'm really down for the exchange of ideas and want one or both of us to learn some things from this. Also, those 12" inline fans were replaced with 2 speed 3,500/5,500 cfm whole house fans shortly after the pic.

I always listen to what people have to say unless it is complete non sense and I like to listen to other logic . Sometimes I get this GS wrong bit two or two thousand heads are better than one. In a indoor grow I like to see a air rotation of the complete volume of the room recycled in about 90 seconds with a complete proper duct system circulating air directly though the plants, it cost more to do this but you get really efficient airflow through the plants and it eliminates the need for most of your hands just using the air handler.
No one does this I think but me.
I put a co2 injector right next to the air handler so it sucks up the co2 and directly injects it into the center of the plants at a constant steady volume or around 125 to 150 cfm .
Or a complete air rotation around the plants of about every thirty seconds. .
Outstanding results as the plants not only love the co2 bit they also love the cooler air conditioned air running through them. The bulb does heat the air up a little bit the hood without glass is used as a diffuser directly into the plants.
Plants in Cali go out first of May normally and start bloom in August.
100 gallon containers normally but it depends . Harvest of plants typically first of October . A little sooner in the Trinity mountain area Shasta mountain because of the altitude and weather
So they try to only grow faster strains and no heavy sativa's

 

[SchmoeJoe]

I love light deep .
Awesome best way to grow . Initial start up can be expensive but you can purchase them custom made from China through Alibaba .
For around 14000 or so bit depends on size and construction.
I would have to have one built with heavy duty insulated plastic insulated panels .
And furnaces to heat it.

The most efficient design I've found comes to 800k for what amounts to a light dep campus not including soil, foundation, utilities. But it would average about 200 pounds a month with indoor quality at something like 20% the cost.

 

[SchmoeJoe]

I always listen to what people have to say unless it is complete non sense and I like to listen to other logic . Sometimes I get this GS wrong bit two or two thousand heads are better than one. In a indoor grow I like to see a air rotation of the complete volume of the room recycled in about 90 seconds with a complete proper duct system circulating air directly though the plants, it cost more to do this but you get really efficient airflow through the plants and it eliminates the need for most of your hands just using the air handler.
No one does this I think but me.
I put a co2 injector right next to the air handler so it sucks up the co2 and directly injects it into the center of the plants at a constant steady volume or around 125 to 150 cfm .
Or a complete air rotation around the plants of about every thirty seconds. .
Outstanding results as the plants not only love the co2 bit they also love the cooler air conditioned air running through them. The bulb does heat the air up a little bit the hood without glass is used as a diffuser directly into the plants.

I've been wanting to use a sort of horizontal air flow array like you'd see in a greenhouse to create a rotating air flow like a vortex that rises from the bottom to the top of the room. I turn shared walls into push/pull fans by putting ducting at both ends that bring in air from down low on one side and blow it out across the top of the next room.

Combining the 2 would pretty much out an end two stratification and co2 pooling.

 

[max420thc]

The most efficient design I've found comes to 800k for what amounts to a light dep campus not including soil, foundation, utilities. But it would average about 200 pounds a month eith indoor quality at something like 20% the cost.

If I wanted to grow weed Michigan only allows at this time( soon to change laws) 72 plants legally every two month it would produce with 32 in bloom with the rest of the plants in veg or as mother's 124 lbs every two months easy or 248 k dollars