And elkamino let's just say for argumentative purposes it was my fuck up because I collected a tiny bit of pollen from a branch of a male and pollinated psychosis in a different room inside a cardboard box and i transferred pollen with my clothes and fingers into the main room,I got 40+ seed's From the intentionally pollinated plant but double the amount of seed's from the accidental pollinated SSDD,I run it again but with a different pheno and the first pheno and I haven't had males for 5 month's now how can a grower get 5 times the amount of seed's than the plant you originally pollinated without a male present? And pollinated other plants that I've grown for year's with no seeds whatsoever but got them this time, I know the answer and if you know wtf you were talking about you'd come up with the same answer as me, I've even found empty nanna Pods and uploaded a pic so with all that in mind do you still think that it's grower error,these fuckers showed no male pre flowers in veg or in flower until around week 3-4 and the only error i made was assuming that they wouldn't Hermie as it was all good in veg and in early flower,a dozen bunch of nannas on 2 plants would be easy to miss especially when you not looking for them and not in your grow room every day and assume all is good because of others experiences and bodhis name is on it,but lesson learned no breeder is immune From hermies FACT, that's all I'll say on the matter now and end it here, because I am bored of it all now and most of the user's here are bitches and own brown tongue's, lucky i didn't slag him off or I'd have a hit on my head lol it'll happen to you 1 day only then you'll realise how much time and money been wasted and now got no decent weed for myself and others 2 of which use it medically, and i got wash the Room down and start again so I have every right to hate the pack of SSDD i had