What the heck is going on with pot prices?

[max420thc]

First of all, what kind of Waterfurnace thermostat are you quoting at $2000, sounds like your parrot needed some crackers. Second I don't do the loops unless it's in a lake, we let the customer do that part as it's cheaper for them and I don't sub as it drives the cost up. As for air flow and duct sizing, I'm starting to know why you don't like em. You showed up at installs that some fool did and now your in it because they've called in 5 different companies to fix it and hoping you can lol. Anyhooo $2000 WTF lol. That's the cost of the compressor replacement here, not under warranty. I do hear you re: boilers but again it's sounds like you got a lot of neglected, shitty, crap jobs, it happens lol. Just for comparison I had one of my guys change out a Water to Water WF TX valve, last Thursday, so reclaim, re and re valve and drier. Evacuate and re charge the system and it was $375 plus tax, the valve was warranty (10 years) it is a 7 year old unit that heats house, indoor pool, and preheats HRV air so the little fucker has done well, oh and all three stats were less than $300, one being digital programmable. That all being said, yup the price is not for the faint of heart but I still think it's a good investment if all you got is propane or oil. In 2015 Propane spiked for the winter at $1.25 a litre, convert that to gallons and have a heart attack lol.

R 22 is around 800 to 1000 a tank right now and the TXV from carrier has been around 100 to 110 dollars each, ideas able to pump the refrigerant into the condenser he wouldn't have to recover and re charge , for just a TXV valve replacement the price is about correct but where I'm from 2 lbs of r 22 runs that retail.
Then you have your license bonds insurance trucks . It costs a fortune just to be in business. So you have to charge . All there is to it,
Five ton compressors by themselves run around 850 to 1400 dollars ,
12 lbs of 22 at 150 dollars. labor ,
Yea it's expensive .

 

[Colo MMJ]

its still the flood from the outdoor season.

This usually dries up by Spring or late Spring?

 

[Gquebed]

I disagree. Knowledgeable smokers, Growers and their friends and families and generally connisours and real Med patients rarely go to dispensaries or stores.

They also bounce caregivers who can’t meet their needs.

And they are exceedingly vocal about it.

When you need the quality you need it.

At the moment that's true. But within a few years that's all going to end. Quality will give way to convenience as weed becomes more accessible. And as pharmaceutical companies catch up to the medical Market they will change the game for Med users too. Guaranteed.
This Market will be no different from any other... Corporations will take up 85% or better market share one way or another. There's not one single Market that has escaped that fate.

 

[Colo MMJ]

The gold rush is coming to an end for the small grower. Big capital will find a way to grow it cheaper and better. You would too if you had the capital.

From what my friend has said - mega capitalized, state-of-the-art indoor grows are being setup in the Las Vegas area. they will have to do big numbers to make it work.

I know one or two big grows in CO that were well capitalized but they are run by bean counters who do not know how to grow and eventually they may fold.

 

[twostrokenut]

This usually dries up by Spring or late Spring?

summer is a great time to dig up a bunch you squirreled away.

 

[Colo MMJ]

I am a libertarian cock sucker and everyone knlw we are the worst,
You get paid what your worth no one owes you shit, yoir really not that special.
Your old Republican boss probably fired your ass for doing nothing and thinking your worth a million a hour.
I notice how you like calling Republicans names but you know what? It's the cock suckong liberals only issuing growing g licenses to their rich buddies in many states, Nevada cones to mind and other states I could me too locking all the small guys out.
What is fascism? It's the merger between corporate and government interests.
Just like when you cock sucking liberals let the insurance industry write the healthcare bill so they could profit from it. Or handing out liceences to their friends ONLY and regulating and taxing everyone of their competitors out of business.
There is plenty of bull shit in both political party's , you only recognize the idiots in the Republican party and you should not be such a hypocrite when it comes to liberals .
Of you applied a equal standard to yourselves .
You act like it's only Republican that grope women and get a piece of ass then ignore liberals doing worse .
Jesus knock it off already you have already lost any cred you ever had.

As they say on another web site - red team and the blue team but they are the same team aka uniparty. They are all corporatists. They all vote for more wars.

The bullshit in Cali with Jerry Brown is mind boggling however. They spend endless money in the one party state and did not have enough planes to drop water on these fires in N and So Cali.

People died in the fires and after the mudslide. All through this BS - Jerry was saying - get used to it. I know people who lived through the mudslides the other night. They said there was no state money to fight the fires properly. People could not cut back brush before the fires to protect their property before the fires.

Between Jerry Brown, his dad and sister - the Browns have controlled the state for about 30 of the past 55 years or so.

 

[Odin*]

Agreed!

And I’ll take one of those beers you posted too please!

They don’t last long, but I grabbed you one. Take your pick.

Just leaving the store now, ice cold.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

At the moment that's true. But within a few years that's all going to end. Quality will give way to convenience as weed becomes more accessible. And as pharmaceutical companies catch up to the medical Market they will change the game for Med users too. Guaranteed.
This Market will be no different from any other... Corporations will take up 85% or better market share one way or another. There's not one single Market that has escaped that fate.

I agree for the most part. But not where I live so much. We are not part of any markets so to speak. Regular corporations don’t bother with us now. Our grocery store is 80 years old. But we sure smoke some weed.

 

[max420thc]

You cant get em all...
But you can most of them.
Which is what happened to moonshiners. The ones that are left are so small time they dont matter. And how many left of those?

Same thing with those knock-off producers of brand name items...like sunglasses, shoes and so on.

The same will happen with weed...

And what gets me about the weed guys is that theyre all sour about "their" market being taken away from them....hahahaha

I have no idea what they earn sale g shine and lighting. I do not think you do either,
Some of these old toothless hill Billy's have more than you think.
I know of one old Holly Billy grower worth millions and you would never know it looking at his car, all the flashy dealers are in prison . Guys grower name is Optimus prime.
Honestly I've seen more pieces of shit white trash heroin and meth addict in Cali than any place I've ever seen.
And you have the nerve to talk about southern working people.
Other than the weather in Cali it is a shit hole.

 

[max420thc]

Check the quotes. That's somebody else, never said that...

It was probably me. Not that the buds didn't look great you just can't make money on small producers . There are way to many plants that are high quality to mess with them .
It's not because the plants didn't appear to well grown . The

 

[max420thc]

This usually dries up by Spring or late Spring?

You are right , it's every year although I never seen prices this low.
You have to keep in mind several large grows got burn up in the Cali wild fires . It will run out sooner this year then wr will see some price adjustments go back up toward the end of the season

 

[Odin*]

I didn't really criticize anyone's pictures . Thought they were awesome . It's a lot better and more fun to work with people building them up instead of tearing them down .

I was generalizing the content/context of the thread, not singling anyone out. You did suggest something along the lines of me growing in a closet and getting two “bows”. Way off. There was also the “trash plant” thing, may have missed the sarcasm. All good though.

Cheers.

 

[max420thc]

As they say on another web site - red team and the blue team but they are the same team aka uniparty. They are all corporatists. They all vote for more wars.

The bullshit in Cali with Jerry Brown is mind boggling however. They spend endless money in the one party state and did not have enough planes to drop water on these fires in N and So Cali.

People died in the fires and after the mudslide. All through this BS - Jerry was saying - get used to it. I know people who lived through the mudslides the other night. They said there was no state money to fight the fires properly. People could not cut back brush before the fires to protect their property before the fires.

Between Jerry Brown, his dad and sister - the Browns have controlled the state for about 30 of the past 55 years or so.

Don't worry. You might not have water but you will have a multi billion dollar high speed train so you can get out of your area fast when it's burning

 

[max420thc]

I was generalizing the content/context of the thread, not singling anyone out. You did suggest something along the lines of me growing in a closet and getting two “bows”. Way off. There was also the “trash plant” thing, may have missed the sarcasm. All good though.

Cheers.

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I know you didn't brother .
I do not think I ever mentioned closet anything or two bows anything .
And yea if a plant doesn't preform it dies fast . No point in growing something that does not produce unless it draws customers who are good buyers to you. The only reason I see for growing a puny producer . Unless it is your personal stash.
I did mention of you or anyone only gets two pounds per thousand watt bulb you are at best a upper end average grower .
A really good grower is going to get four or more per bulb .
Way more if it's a gavita .

 

[max420thc]

At the moment that's true. But within a few years that's all going to end. Quality will give way to convenience as weed becomes more accessible. And as pharmaceutical companies catch up to the medical Market they will change the game for Med users too. Guaranteed.
This Market will be no different from any other... Corporations will take up 85% or better market share one way or another. There's not one single Market that has escaped that fate.

This may be true , but there seems to be plenty of micro brewery's that have made there owners well off

 

[max420thc]

Ive always found it strange that people on an internet forum try to justify their behaviour by mentioning what they earn or have earned in the past.
I can understand a discussion of wages of cause but just to try one up man ship is kinda amusing, especially so when its an avg amount. Avg wage were I am is 80k, 100k is nothing special and I earnt that regularly 12-15 years ago.

No one cares what I used to earn and no one cares what you earn.

I am glad the man is happy and doing good,
But 100k isn't much and its a nice start , maybe he will do better yet in the future.
Maybe if he earns enough he might turn into a freedom loving libertarian.
But honestly it's only about 40 lbs production in a year.
It gives him a place to start and something to shoot for

 

[Odin*]

I know you didn't brother .
I do not think I ever mentioned closet anything or two bows anything .
And yea if a plant doesn't preform it dies fast . No point in growing something that does not produce unless it draws customers who are good buyers to you. The only reason I see for growing a puny producer . Unless it is your personal stash.
I did mention of you or anyone only gets two pounds per thousand watt bulb you are at best a upper end average grower .
A really good grower is going to get four or more per bulb .
Way more if it's a gavita .

2-3, depending on the ratio of lower/higher yielder s. Under SE, I can see 4-5 from DE, larger footprint. I wouldn’t just consider “per light” though. Square feet, cubic feet. You’d be surprised.

Why toss plants that produce slightly less, but fetch nearly twice the ticket? I could grow “football” buds, but who wants to smoke a damn football? Nobody, which is why everyone that was chasing “per light” is sitting on their “ball bags” trying to unload what smokers consider “shit”. Since they can’t give it away as “medicinal cannabis”, maybe they can open a sporting goods store.

I had a plant that you would have loved. Received it as a “GSC” cut. It grew monster fat buds, stacked all the way down. Smelled like burnt brakes, gave a cut to my buddy and tossed the rest.

Another thing with those “football” buds, they lack in “oils”, it’s all plant matter. Once you’ve dried it out, all the water has left, it isn’t going to vastly out weigh a “saturated” oily nug, and you’re left with what looks and smells like lawn trimmings.
I don’t have to beg anyone to take mine at a discount, it commands a premium, and I can’t keep up with demand. Think I’m doing it right.

 

[SchmoeJoe]

I didn't really criticize anyone's pictures . Thought they were awesome . It's a lot better and more fun to work with people building them up instead of tearing them down .

I thought they were talking about the guy that I had to put on ignore.

 

[SchmoeJoe]

From what my friend has said - mega capitalized, state-of-the-art indoor grows are being setup in the Las Vegas area. they will have to do big numbers to make it work.

I know one or two big grows in CO that were well capitalized but they are run by bean counters who do not know how to grow and eventually they may fold.

Yep, people that want the best price buy their produce at Wal-Mart. People who want quality buy from local farmers markets.

 

[SchmoeJoe]

This usually dries up by Spring or late Spring?

It's a bit later into the summer where I'm at after the heat has made a lot of people shut down their indoor for the summer.