What the heck is going on with pot prices?

max420thc

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These are the passive low energy versions of hydronics. I'm guessing you already knew that though.
It's not hard to run a in the flood boiler system , and no I do not know anything about the system you mentioned ,
I've put in floor heat before with a boiler and low cost pex pipe , you cluld bury it right under the dirt if you want or put it in concrete .
 

SchmoeJoe

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Won't they get UV in a green house from the sun?
Yes UV will increase resin production some, other than that not worth the time and trouble to screw with
All greenhouse cover a filter a good amount of UV and for the better half of the year the low angle of the sun means that the sunlight spends enough time passing through the atmosphere that it's mostly filtered out compared to summer levels.

It's been proven that not only does UV increase essential oil production in general but it also increases thc by an average of 25%. It's also been shown to increase the quality and rate of vegetative growth. In buds it's exposure to UV that causes the plant to convert cbg into thc and cbd.
 

Budley Doright

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He don't have me, if he did he would be pulling in at least 4 to 6 lbs a lamp instead of 2 .
He is supposed to contract with me for set up and consultation fees to teach him how to do this. He probably won't t as most people are bull shit .
If he can not produce more than two pounds a lamp he will be just like every other broke dick mother fucker that will soon be out of business.
In Michigan you need a insulated green house with indoor curtains to avoid the snow.
LP or natural gas heat is the only way.
So what if I spent d 2000 a month or more , so what a whole pound and a half of weed .
Many country heat insulated green houses for food.
I'm not saying you can't. I'm saying cost "here" running a greenhouse versus indoor, again in my uneducated guess, would be, on an annual basis close, to a wash. And yup there are many different ways to heat greenhouses that are way cheaper than conventional fuels. As there are lighting systems. I toured a greenhouse heating system that used a biofuel boiler to heat the beds and space. Pretty cool setup but maintenance was a bitch lol. Geothermal is another way to heat cheaply, well cheaper lol.
Solar here is a wash due to limited solar exposure and maintenance cost.
 
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max420thc

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I'm not saying you can't. I'm saying cost "here" running a greenhouse versus indoor, again in my uneducated guess, would be, on an annual basis close, to a wash. And yup there are many different ways to heat greenhouses that are way cheaper than conventional fuels. As there are lighting systems. I toured a greenhouse heating system that used a biofuel boiler to heat the beds and space. Pretty cool setup but maintenance was a bitch lol. Geothermal is another way to heat cheaply, well cheaper lol.
GEO is a expensive pain the ass that requires a lot of maintenance, when you have a equipment failure is expensive to repair and the initial cost of equipment and installation makes it really not a good option ,
You should see the look on people faces when their government refunds and rebates expire so they no longer have the government backing them up on the purchase of GEO when you hand them a bill for repair or replacement of the system.
Some things are good in theory bit never work out in realality .
Please excuse my spelling as I am typing g on a phone .
 

SchmoeJoe

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It's not hard to run a in the flood boiler system , and no I do not know anything about the system you mentioned ,
I've put in floor heat before with a boiler and low cost pex pipe , you cluld bury it right under the dirt if you want or put it in concrete .
The system I was talking about used fans to pull hot air from up by the peak through perforated culvert a few feet deep under the greenhouse. It stores the best in the ground and the cooling of the air fries it out by condensing the moisture. The perforations let it drain. Later when the greenhouse is colder the cool air pulls the best back out of the ground. It's also good for bringing up your average soil temp in the cool season but takes a couple of seasons because of how much thermal mass is there and because the heat is being cycled in and out of the ground.

You could also use a water cooled co2 generator or even just an inline water heater hooked up to a co2 regulator for the hydronic floor heating. There's also cogeneration. It has to be done at a minimum scale to be efficient but a propane generator can be fitted with heat exchangers and catalytic converters to power the equipment and provide heat and co2 from the exhaust. There are alson insulated heat storage tanks that are basically just huge water tanks that let store that heat for when you need it.

Most of these things are at least fairly expensive to set up and only so efficient on their own but if a complete system were built using these features it would be untouchable. One of my favorites was the guy who daisy chained a few new car radiators together and built his compost pile on top. It was basically an on demand water heater that didn't use gas or electricity. A farm with enough turn over and scraps could potentially just use composting to power their hydronic floor heat.
 

SchmoeJoe

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GEO is a expensive pain the ass that requires a lot of maintenance, when you have a equipment failure is expensive to repair and the initial cost of equipment and installation makes it really not a good option ,
You should see the look on people faces when their government refunds and rebates expire so they no longer have the government backing them up on the purchase of GEO when you hand them a bill for repair or replacement of the system.
Some things are good in theory bit never work out in realality .
Please excuse my spelling as I am typing g on a phone .
I spend almost as much time editing my posts as I do writing them up. And I write up some long posts.
 

757growin

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Southern CA, easy moving prime. Not “2k+”, I move @24-28. All legal.

I really don’t take too many pics. These are from a room that came down a few weeks ago. Taken for new partner and crew. Represented are Gelato 33 and GSC Thin Mints (those were the only ones that I “shot” during that take down). I have posted images of nearly everything I have (~30 strains), but Photobucket now wants to collect membership fees for 3’rd party hosting. I can still recover those images from their site.
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If you’re having “moving issues”, I don’t have any problem introducing you. If it’s good, “it’s good”.

How about you post yours? Ticket?
What's all legal mean? Rec? Medical? Im in so cal as well.
I'm seeing ins right now from 14 to 18.
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No brown on the leaves either. Pic 4 of yours has some leaves that look in bad shape in the background.
 

MichiganMedGrower

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Won't they get UV in a green house from the sun?
Yes UV will increase resin production some, other than that not worth the time and trouble to screw with

No. Greenhouse coverings are designed to block uv.

Even just glass will block it at any angle. That’s why tinting sunglasses don’t tint in the car.

And it has been proven to raise thc levels.

I have seen reports of 18% thc without and 22% with uvb added the last two weeks.
 

Budley Doright

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GEO is a expensive pain the ass that requires a lot of maintenance, when you have a equipment failure is expensive to repair and the initial cost of equipment and installation makes it really not a good option ,
You should see the look on people faces when their government refunds and rebates expire so they no longer have the government backing them up on the purchase of GEO when you hand them a bill for repair or replacement of the system.
Some things are good in theory bit never work out in realality .
Please excuse my spelling as I am typing g on a phone .
Ummm well again I would have to disagree but then my specialty is geo design and install lol. I do see that look on people's faces though when quoting a closed loop lol. If designed and installed properly they have an amazing reliability record. The problem typically is the installation was f up. There are very few people that actually know WTF they are doing here. We haven't had any grants here for 20 years and still do 10-15 a year. You are correct though the initial cost and the bad rap re residential fucked up installs has had an affect. Also with the cost of propane and NG. at record low prices the pay back is extended. My system is 20 years old and works like a charm but I installed it and have no access to NG , if I did I would have a gas boiler lol.
 

Lordhooha

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GEO is a expensive pain the ass that requires a lot of maintenance, when you have a equipment failure is expensive to repair and the initial cost of equipment and installation makes it really not a good option ,
You should see the look on people faces when their government refunds and rebates expire so they no longer have the government backing them up on the purchase of GEO when you hand them a bill for repair or replacement of the system.
Some things are good in theory bit never work out in realality .
Please excuse my spelling as I am typing g on a phone .
I run geothermal had it installed a few years back. Price wasn’t bad and the cost of running it in northern mi isn’t bad either. The cost of repair is close to traditional systems. However if you get a good geo setup, one that backs their warranty it’s all good. Mine has a 15 year on the unit and a 50 yr on the loops and pumps.
 

twistedvinesofbud

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Our street prices are ridiculous! 70 a q 130-220 a half Oz. upto 3500 a pound. These prices are fucking crazy! Then the little bitches expect me to sell my top shelf product for dirt weed prices!
Its fine as long as you dont go loco from nine monthes of darkness followed by 3 monthes of solid day (not really but close)

I do not see how people can live like that. :) I bet that makes for some crazy people.
 

SchmoeJoe

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Wow thanks. So go buy it for 2800 then. Lmao:sleep:
I've seen it as low as 800 where I'm at. There's 10 home growers on my block and 3 commercial grows that I know of within ten blocks of me. I'm still sitting on pounds from my greenhouses. You can get all butt hurt, run your mouth and try to call people out for whatever reason but I'm not buying his or yours even though they both look great.
 

max420thc

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The system I was talking about used fans to pull hot air from up by the peak through perforated culvert a few feet deep under the greenhouse. It stores the best in the ground and the cooling of the air fries it out by condensing the moisture. The perforations let it drain. Later when the greenhouse is colder the cool air pulls the best back out of the ground. It's also good for bringing up your average soil temp in the cool season but takes a couple of seasons because of how much thermal mass is there and because the heat is being cycled in and out of the ground.

You could also use a water cooled co2 generator or even just an inline water heater hooked up to a co2 regulator for the hydronic floor heating. There's also cogeneration. It has to be done at a minimum scale to be efficient but a propane generator can be fitted with heat exchangers and catalytic converters to power the equipment and provide heat and co2 from the exhaust. There are alson insulated heat storage tanks that are basically just huge water tanks that let store that heat for when you need it.

Most of these things are at least fairly expensive to set up and only so efficient on their own but if a complete system were built using these features it would be untouchable. One of my favorites was the guy who daisy chained a few new car radiators together and built his compost pile on top. It was basically an on demand water heater that didn't use gas or electricity. A farm with enough turn over and scraps could potentially just use composting to power their hydronic floor heat.
Heat always flows from the warmest to the coldest ,
Water although is a great heat transfer material it is also one of the worst at storing heat.
It always amazes me the things people think of to come up with.
Ingenious
Sometimes these ideas are valid sometimes only good on paper.
The perfect example of this is geothermal. Great in theory just to expensive to purchase and maintain in reality.
If the government was not handing out free welfare checks to the rich( this is what it is) you would see very few geothermal systems.
The ideas are endless of heating and cooling methods that are available.
I like the idea, but from a installer or maintenance point of view a system must be reasonable to install have easy access to parts for repair, easy and inexpensive to maintain and reasonably efficient.
I talked piles of peke out of installing higher efficiency equipment because of the initial cost and maintenance of the equipment is more expensive than any realized cost savings .
Everything is a factor and it all boils down to money.
Not many people if they understand the whole picture will spend 10 thousand to save a couple of hundred dollars, there are some who will though .
I will try to look up the system you mentioned and do a little more research on the cost benefit of it.
 

757growin

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I've seen it as low as 800 where I'm at. There's 10 home growers on my block and 3 commercial grows that I know of within ten blocks of me. I'm still sitting on pounds from my greenhouses. You can get all butt hurt, run your mouth and try to call people out for whatever reason but I'm not buying his or yours even though they both look great.
Don't be cranky cause you can't sell. Move off the block and get out to the country. Much more peaceful.
 
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