Roger A. Shrubber
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i never said he couldn't say anything, i'm saying i don't agree with a lot of his opinions, which is my right, just the same as his
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Sedan
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You might not say, Bro, I already have similar words expressed by both Russians and Ukrainians. The same words .. you know, like a spoiled vinyl disc.))) Only Russians and Ukrainians are more aggressively defending their own empty ideals than you are now your own. The difference in mentality is affected.
Yes, you are right, the opinion differs from the generally accepted one in principle, maybe because it seems to you wild. But I confirm my own word with real facts-it's easy to check !! As Sir A. Doyle said: what is not clear to the crowd, that's what she fears most! I will take the liberty, and let me give you advice: waking up in the morning, please open your eyes wider !!
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Roger A. Shrubber
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you're drawing conclusions about what i believe.
i don't think i've expressed many beliefs here.
why do you assume i believe the government propaganda?
all i said was that you seem to believe America is made up of sheep, rednecks, and lying politicians.
my world view is a little wider than that. i think the "common man" all around the world is pretty much the same. they want to take care of their families, make a better life for their children than they had, to try to make those children into decent people. throw a job on top of that, and that's a pretty full time occupation. who has the time to save the world?
i think my eyes are pretty wide open...some people want to be socially active and save the world, some of us tried that and discovered the world doesn't want to be saved. i'm not running into a burning building to save someone who's going to fight me to stay in that burning building,.
societies fall for a reason. we've learned how to artificially prop society up when it would be much better to let it fall and rebuild from the rubble
i don't think i've expressed many beliefs here.
why do you assume i believe the government propaganda?
all i said was that you seem to believe America is made up of sheep, rednecks, and lying politicians.
my world view is a little wider than that. i think the "common man" all around the world is pretty much the same. they want to take care of their families, make a better life for their children than they had, to try to make those children into decent people. throw a job on top of that, and that's a pretty full time occupation. who has the time to save the world?
i think my eyes are pretty wide open...some people want to be socially active and save the world, some of us tried that and discovered the world doesn't want to be saved. i'm not running into a burning building to save someone who's going to fight me to stay in that burning building,.
societies fall for a reason. we've learned how to artificially prop society up when it would be much better to let it fall and rebuild from the rubble
Sedan
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That's what I love !! Thanks Вro!....true!
Now I see sound thoughts! I will answer necessarily, just in English for such an answer, I need to prepare !!))
Frajola
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You see what happens when the stick is used for a different purpose.
ttystikk
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Having seen that process of destruction up close, I know why people work hard to renovate society instead of wrecking it.
Be very careful what you wish for.
Roger A. Shrubber
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its hard to say some things without sounding intolerant...but maybe there should be a limit to "freedom"....maybe there should be some mandatory responsibilities that come along with "rights"....maybe they should teach kids the difference between the terms "rights" and "privileges".
you have the privilege to drive a vehicle. this privilege comes with the requirement, the "responsibility", of having a valid license, minimum insurance, basic understanding of the rules of the road, and being straight when you're operating a vehicle. if you get caught operating a vehicle without the requirements being met, they'll take your license away....that's what makes it a privilege, privileges can be revoked, rights cannot. not in a free society.
if you want the right to live in a free society, you have the responsibility to defend it when its under attack. you have the responsibility to speak up if you see a problem. you have the responsibility to try to fix those problems.
i tried for a long time, followed politics, tried to make my vote count. i picketed at demonstrations, wrote letters to representatives, participated in boycotts, signed petitions...and now, after 30 years of trying, i've come to the conclusion that i've been wasting my time.
i haven't been trying to "save the world"...i've been trying to save society.
society is a sick beast thats being pumped full of drugs to keep it alive, artificially manipulated to keep it rasping breath into cancerous lungs.
society turns a blind eye to problems that make it uncomfortable, then wonders why things get worse.
i feel like i've stumbled into the set of some surreal movie, where well dressed, well fed people go about their lives, not noticing that they're walking on the backs of people who are hunched over, working away to maintain the world above them, while they're trodden down at the same time.
but the craziest thing...you can help some of those people to stand up, to open their eyes, to understand a little of whats going on around them, and most of them will close their eyes again, bend over again, almost welcome the foot on their back again.....how can you enlighten someone who prefers to remain ignorant? how can you free a slave who puts their chains back on?
why should you bother?
you have the privilege to drive a vehicle. this privilege comes with the requirement, the "responsibility", of having a valid license, minimum insurance, basic understanding of the rules of the road, and being straight when you're operating a vehicle. if you get caught operating a vehicle without the requirements being met, they'll take your license away....that's what makes it a privilege, privileges can be revoked, rights cannot. not in a free society.
if you want the right to live in a free society, you have the responsibility to defend it when its under attack. you have the responsibility to speak up if you see a problem. you have the responsibility to try to fix those problems.
i tried for a long time, followed politics, tried to make my vote count. i picketed at demonstrations, wrote letters to representatives, participated in boycotts, signed petitions...and now, after 30 years of trying, i've come to the conclusion that i've been wasting my time.
i haven't been trying to "save the world"...i've been trying to save society.
society is a sick beast thats being pumped full of drugs to keep it alive, artificially manipulated to keep it rasping breath into cancerous lungs.
society turns a blind eye to problems that make it uncomfortable, then wonders why things get worse.
i feel like i've stumbled into the set of some surreal movie, where well dressed, well fed people go about their lives, not noticing that they're walking on the backs of people who are hunched over, working away to maintain the world above them, while they're trodden down at the same time.
but the craziest thing...you can help some of those people to stand up, to open their eyes, to understand a little of whats going on around them, and most of them will close their eyes again, bend over again, almost welcome the foot on their back again.....how can you enlighten someone who prefers to remain ignorant? how can you free a slave who puts their chains back on?
why should you bother?
ttystikk
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You make a strong case for joining those who would destroy is all.
I just couldn't look myself in the mirror if I did.
Sedan
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Because you are zealously defending the existing American system-for this you do not need to express your convictions-this is visible with the naked eye.
Yes, are you right, America ?? not right !! .. The world is ruled by rednecks, and lying politicians. I will say more, not only rule, but also position themselves as divine beings.
Now we look at the depth of your worldview:
What you're talking about is an animal instinct. NUMBER ONE-Preservation of the species. Start looking from the 19th minute:
Have you talked about this, or am I mistaken?))
It all depends on how you are going to save the world, and how subtly you define this concept. If you want to be a Batman, then most likely you will have to quit your job and become a firefighter !!)) After all, when Batman saves the world, he does not have free time, only his girl remains.))
But seriously, this is not what I told you! You do not understand me, though your worldview is the deepest !!
Have you ever read the Bible? There is a lot of interesting in it, although in God himself (the earthly God), whom we are being forced into the church, I do not believe. So: the Bible clearly says, about the only one who can save the world, how you want to save it !! Do you want to be God ?! Then you went too far, Bro!
Of course, those fools who want to save the world by the type of God, quickly realize that they are multiplying the fools by ten !! This is utopia !!!!! Also in the Bible there is a clear way to save YOURSELF !! A variant from the opposite, you know, like a chicken and an egg? First, EVERY person saves his SELF, so in sum, in the future, the whole world is saved!
Now you understand me??!!
I will give an example of one person !! Listen carefully, Bro! This person, as you correctly said before, began saving from his family !! He stopped changing to his wife, to lie to her, to share everything to the last !! Give her your soul without a trace !! As a result, his wife, when she saw the contrast between her behavior and her husband, began to think with her head !!!
As a result, an exemplary family has turned out, THERE IS NO WORLDWIDE !!! And when people, those who want to save the world)), they saw it, they began to envy, and in every way try to discredit this person !! He suffered from the fact that he was an example of how to live!
And people, reading newspapers, watching TV, saving the world, they could not understand-WHERE THE HELL! Where this person lies !!! He's a miserable liar !! We save the world, but what does he do ???? !!!! There can not be such a family !! After all, we tried, we did not get !! He's a bastard, a beast !! This is absolutely true story, the TRUTH !! I know this man!! He saves the world, not YOU !! He shows everyone EXAMPLE how right !!
It was he who created the perfect family !!! By fighting with yourself and your weaknesses, guided by God's laws !!! He still lives, this man, he is very difficult! But the next stage is ahead !!! More complicated and suicidal !! Go to a new stage, after the family, and try to change something more weighty !! Yes, he knows that this can end in failure !!But, to the best of his EGO, he is insatiable, he is keen on how elevated he is over those people who dig cockroaches in their families, in domestic problems and the pursuit of profit !! It turns out they are above them !! With each step, this person feels himself on the plane at take-off !! HE IS FLYING !! But I do not envy him, it's very dangerous !!
In this part I agree with you completely !! Only one "BUT": we will not be able to destroy ourselves to the end, this instinct will not let it go ONE-NUMBER!
Sincerely, Sedan !!
Sedan
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Get up, branded with a curse,
The whole of hungry people and of slaves.
Our indignant mind is boiling (with anger)
And ready to lead us in a mortal fight.
We will destroy all the world of violence
Completely, and then
We (will built) our (world), we will built the new world -
Who was nothing will become everything.
Sedan
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And do not dissemble please, be lascivious, at least to yourself! I know America many times better than you are Russia! American culture has long and deeply penetrated the blood of Russians! These are clothes (jeans), music (jazz, funk, blues, disco, even country parodyed with us).American ethics (feet on the table, chewing gum with open mouth, fast food, cheeky sexual behavior, imitation of movie actors of militants). The film industry (we now really imitate Hollywood in films, it's ridiculous to watch this! It's like a bear on crow's feet,(Donald). Half a city of women go with pumped lips at us! Do you know why? They want to be like Angelina Jolie and B. Pitt at the same time !!!
You say I do not know America? This is a wrong judgment! I know America more than you can imagine!
I know who Levi Strauss and Colt is and the date 1776 I also know well! With "dead presidents" I also know very well)))
for someone who thinks with his head: For a hundred rubles in 1980, you could buy about 800 !!!!! liters of gasoline or 250 !!! kilogram of bread !!! Jeans Levais on the black market cost 120 rubles !! This is the average monthly salary at that time
Do you know who Lomonosov was?
Unfortunately, the knowledge of the American of Russian, limited, vodka caviar balalaika, a kalinka, a muzhik, a beard .. you do not know anything about the Russian-you are not interested in it!
You say I do not know America? This is a wrong judgment! I know America more than you can imagine!
I know who Levi Strauss and Colt is and the date 1776 I also know well! With "dead presidents" I also know very well)))
for someone who thinks with his head: For a hundred rubles in 1980, you could buy about 800 !!!!! liters of gasoline or 250 !!! kilogram of bread !!! Jeans Levais on the black market cost 120 rubles !! This is the average monthly salary at that time
Do you know who Lomonosov was?
Unfortunately, the knowledge of the American of Russian, limited, vodka caviar balalaika, a kalinka, a muzhik, a beard .. you do not know anything about the Russian-you are not interested in it!
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Sedan
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Thank you, Bro! The question is so interesting, so much and putting me to a standstill !!
If you will allow me, I will answer Vladimir Putin's quote:
"Who remembers the times of the USSR without tears, that person WITHOUT HEART! Who wants to rejoice the USSR is an idiot!!!"
In my heart I am a CITIZEN OF THE USSR !!! I cried when it collapsed in 1992, and I cried when I shamelessly trampled his remains just recently !!
I'm sad, Bro !!! ... I'm demoralized .. I do not want to live here anymore !!!
My address is not the house and the street, MY address is the SOVIET UNION - it's sung in the song !!
PS: From January 1, 2018, they want to cancel the railway communication between Ukraine and Russia!
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ttystikk
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Sedan
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The Russians and Ukrainians suddenly became blood enemies, and this does not change anyway, it's for a long time, very long !! Examples in history are enough !! Let us recall at least the Balkans! Where the good guys with the star flag also put their own nose! As a result, a feud. Have you ever watched football ever, between Serbs and Croats ?? Look, there sport turns into a bloody slaughter always!
And this is Belgium))))! The text of the fan's speech: "Putin-mother fucker LA LA LA LA" in Russian!! This chanting was invented by Ukrainian fans
I most importantly, in all the Ukrainian news showed this movie .... and proudly boasted))) idiots here))) it's so stupid in fact !! And in Russia, Putin is God for the majority !! Why tease a bear? As the wise ones said: "Look, who benefits!"
In the end, Syria! Again the accursed aggressor !!
And this is not Syria, it's a demonstration of strength !!
And do not forget that warheads can be stuffed with a nuclear charge !!!!!
And notice, there is an imitation of war from a distance, it is used exclusively by the Navy, the underwater fleet, the aircraft of aircraft carriers. This is not only a demonstration of power, it's an open military exercise, against a certain enemy !!
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Frajola
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" I'm sad, Bro !!! ... I'm demoralized .. I do not want to live here anymore !!! "
......come to america sir Sedan ! You will be more than welcome, if you don't like it here .......well.......eat shit go back to your country , lol.
peace bro
Sedan
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" I'm sad, Bro !!! ... I'm demoralized .. I do not want to live here anymore !!! "
go back to your country , lol.
peace bro
In the forest in spring
I had been drinking birch sap in the forest in spring ,
I had been sleeping with my beloved songbird in hay...
I have lost what I loved, I have not saved what I had,
I was brave and lucky but I didn't know happiness.
And I was like an autumn leave flying in the wind of life,
I was changing the cities, I was changing the names.
I have breathed enough dust of the overseas roads,
Where the flowers did not smell and the moon did not shine...
And I was throwing the butts overboard in the ocean,
I was cursing the beauty of islands and seas,
And the malarial fog of Brazilian marshes,
And the wine of pubs, and the anguish of prison.
If only I could cross my life and start again,
Fly to my beloved songbird...
But only will Motherland recognize
One of the gone sons of hers?
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