Buds quality LEDs VS HPS

[Buba Blend]

We're generally pretty self policing here.

And so are we. I don't know yodaweed very well at all. I have seen him in my section many times and do not recall him ever being a bad guy. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe there are things going on I do not understand. When I saw he was being attacked and then the same crew jumped on me for a silly comment that I made because someone posted yesterday a video from an LED seller, I decided to make a comment. Yes one sided, intentionally. Busting balls keeps us active.
Something else you guys may not notice, In all the fights I have been in, even when I got mental or delusional. It has always been a fight with trolls, rarely ever a regular member.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

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I got my information researching over the last 4 years and I don’t have the specific links anymore.

There is tons of info out there and the common arguments here are not always supported by scientific fact.

Tons of new led info now available from the u of m as well online when I searched.

But I quickly found this that supports what I said about blue and red light and that red light is much stronger for photosynthesis.



http://flor.hrt.msu.edu/assets/Uploads/Light-wavebands.pdf

And I couldn’t quickly find the original testing I found but this article mentions it and other universities that support the strongest light wins not the most balanced spectrum.

https://www.marijuanaventure.com/metal-halide-vs-high-pressure-sodium-age-old-question-cannabis-growers/


They will be specifically tailoring spectrums in led for specific crops. Interesting reading I will have to go back to about new led testing online.

Full spectrum light like the cobs sold around here are not what is being considered for professional Grow lights.

Individual ratios of colored lights are used more like old blurple but with a modern complete spectrum for the plant type being grown.

Sorry I don’t still have all my links. They were in an old phone.


Here is a reprinted chart of different light sources and what they put out for uv and other waves.

The university of Utah proved that 50/50 blue to red is the highest ratio of blue that improves plant health. They show the cmh to have the best spectrum.

https://www.cycloptics.com/sites/default/files/GB USU Spectral Characterization link.pdf


It depends on what you are growing. We are most interested in big buds. Not leaves.

I’m still waiting for professionally designed and produced led lights made for our type of plant specifically or fully programmable is likely soon.

 

[OLD MOTHER SATIVA]

i am waiting for you to actually get an led

and your nut bar "friend" who cannot spell bubba is on ignore

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

i am waiting for you to actually get an led

and your nut bar "friend" who cannot spell bubba is on ignore

My friend. Ok. I don’t know him any more than I know you. Why would I care if you ignore him?

And like I said above. When real horticultural lamps are available at a reasonable price I will consider led.

I am not going to wire a bunch of warehouse lights together only to watch better lighting become available cheaper.

And so far I have not seen decent results at under 50 w per square foot with cobs. And I am yielding higher with hps at that wattage than I am seeing in led threads here. And equal or better quality from the hps too.

I am still waiting.......

And have a lower heating bill from the garden helping heat my house while I wait.

 

[OLD MOTHER SATIVA]

thanks for the reply ..

still a lotta words for guy who does not own one.,.

37.5 w does better for me than 50w hps

and you can run more than twice as many leds in your area and still have your heating in winter..

and the rest of the year..[like summer] its a dream come true

 

[Humple]

And so far I have not seen decent results at under 50 w per square foot with cobs. And I am yielding higher with hps at that wattage than I am seeing in led threads here. And equal or better quality from the hps too.

You seem like a reasonable dude, but I have to call you on this one, man. There are better than decent LED results at less than 50w per square foot all over this forum. As for the quality - how can you say that when you haven't handled and sampled bud grown - by a competent grower - under COBs or QBs? Are you just basing that on pictures posted on the internet? Because that's really no way to judge quality.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

thanks for the reply ..

still a lotta words for guy who does not own one.,.

37.5 w does better for me than 50w hps

and you can run more than twice as many leds in your area and still have your heating in winter..

and the rest of the year..[like summer] its a dream come true

Now your suggestion will cost me even more money.

And unless they are specifically designed as horticultural grow lights I can customize I just said I am not interested.

I share my house air conditioning with my Grow rooms. Cooling is really not a huge problem at my garden size in Michigan.

Switching out 1200-1500 watts to led would be pointless for savings. But it would increase my heating bill unless I double up like you suggested.

Don’t know why you all want me to buy these first generation diy looking lights. I already have stated over and over it is obvious they work.

And eventually it is all that will be available just like house light bulbs. So why rush and pay more?

 

[ttystikk]

They are specifically designed as horticultural lighting.

And in the case of quantum boards, they're closer to fifth generation.

But you look great talking out your ass about things you know nothing about.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

You seem like a reasonable dude, but I have to call you on this one, man. There are better than decent LED results at less than 50w per square foot all over this forum. As for the quality - how can you say that when you haven't handled and sampled bud grown - by a competent grower - under COBs or QBs? Are you just basing that on pictures posted on the internet? Because that's really no way to judge quality.

What makes you think I haven’t tried well grown led bud? I live in a Medical weed state. I know many growers.

And I said better than my personal yield. Which has been increasing until recently for the last 4 years. I have watched tons of threads for results and spoken to Growers personally.

I finally maxed out my 3 gallon pots and am trying 5’s. I don’t monocrop or even flower the plants together with trellis or nets and get 2.5 oz per gallon of soil on average with individual bushes on stands. All different strains from seeds.

And no one is complaining about quality.

Why do you all want me to buy these things? I have absolutely no need to upgrade.

Move your hid away from the ripening plants to reduce ir heat and you will get the same “better” results claimed.

If I had a huge power bill I might be seeking a solution sooner.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

They are specifically designed as horticultural lighting.

And in the case of quantum boards, they're closer to fifth generation.

But you look great talking out your ass about things you know nothing about.

Until they are full of the right colors in the right ratios they are in an infant stage. They are not used in any major production I can find.

Haven’t you even read about led testing at universities “Mr. Education” ?

They are way past simple PAR measurements that tell nothing of individual wavelengths.

You would have to actually read some current info to participate in the discussion past name calling and insults.

You haven’t had anything new to say in the last 2 years. And you use many times the wattage needed to get your results so you are the worst proponent of these lights.

Plus look at your unhealthy plants. Full spectrum lighting like you use should easily keep them green and leafy.

Bye Tty

 

[ttystikk]

Until they are full of the right colors in the right ratios they are in an infant stage. They are not used in any major production I can find.

Haven’t you even read about led testing at universities “Mr. Education” ?

They are way past simple PAR measurements that tell nothing of individual wavelengths.

You would have to actually read some current info to participate in the discussion past name calling and insults.

You haven’t had anything new to say in the last 2 years. And you use many times the wattage needed to get your results so you are the worst proponent of these lights.

Plus look at your unhealthy plants. Full spectrum lighting like you use should easily keep them green and leafy.

Bye Tty

Clown.
Stick to your streetlights.

 

[Buba Blend]

My friend. Ok. I don’t know him any more than I know you. Why would I care if you ignore him?

And like I said above. When real horticultural lamps are available at a reasonable price I will consider led.

I am not going to wire a bunch of warehouse lights together only to watch better lighting become available cheaper.

And so far I have not seen decent results at under 50 w per square foot with cobs. And I am yielding higher with hps at that wattage than I am seeing in led threads here. And equal or better quality from the hps too.

I am still waiting.......

And have a lower heating bill from the garden helping heat my house while I wait.

Someone is ignoring me . Now I know I am being a bad Buba.
You don't have to be my friend MMG. I'll like you anyway.
When I'm being bad or stupid I just need input from a regular grower I know and I always then behave or leave. Definitely let me know if I should not @ you at times like this and I promise I won't.
I'll leave. My bad anyway. I thought the thread was titled Quality, not ROI.
Goodbye!
Happy Holidays!
Peace! Love! Dope!

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

Clown.
Stick to your streetlights.

Typical no info response......


Your cobs are more like when they used hps streetlights and repurposed magnetic ballasts to grow with.

My “streetlights” have a proprietary combination of gasses developed over years of testing for a better spectrum than they had already.

And I never argued that they work. You are the troll here.

 

[Humple]

What makes you think I haven’t tried well grown led bud? I live in a Medical weed state. I know many growers.

And I said better than my personal yield. Which has been increasing until recently for the last 4 years. I have watched tons of threads for results and spoken to Growers personally.

I finally maxed out my 3 gallon pots and am trying 5’s. I don’t monocrop or even flower the plants together with trellis or nets and get 2.5 oz per gallon of soil on average with individual bushes on stands. All different strains from seeds.

And no one is complaining about quality.

Why do you all want me to buy these things? I have absolutely no need to upgrade.

Move your hid away from the ripening plants to reduce ir heat and you will get the same “better” results claimed.

If I had a huge power bill I might be seeking a solution sooner.

I live in the same state, and I know a few growers, but as of yet, none that use COBs or QBs. But we all know HID is still ubiquitous. If you know for a fact that bud you've smoked was grown under COBs or QBs, that's one thing, but "grown under LED" doesn't equate to that. So do you personally know any growers using COBs or QBs? And I don't mean on the internet.

I don't want you to buy LED. I really don't care what light anyone uses, as long as they're content. I'm simply addressing what sounds to me like confirmation bias. Saying that you haven't seen decent results at less than 50w per square foot just doesn't compute. And no, you weren't complaining about the quality, but you did say that your HPS is equal or better, and I wanted to know why one would say that if they haven't had a fair share of COB or QB-grown bud. Maybe you have, I don't know. But it certainly didn't seem like it based on other posts you've made.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

Someone is ignoring me . Now I know I am being a bad Buba.
You don't have to be my friend MMG. I'll like you anyway.
When I'm being bad or stupid I just need input from a regular grower I know and I always then behave or leave. Definitely let me know if I should not @ you at times like this and I promise I won't.
I'll leave. My bad anyway. I thought the thread was titled Quality, not ROI.
Goodbye!
Happy Holidays!
Peace! Love! Dope!

I didn’t mean that the way I think you just took it.

I like to talk with everyone that has something to say.

I just meant that we are all forum friends and I don’t get personally involved online the way you are saying things.

I don’t know anyone here but a few people personally.

I view this as an information exchange site.

 

[ttystikk]

Typical no info response......


Your cobs are more like when they used hps streetlights and repurposed magnetic ballasts to grow with.

My “streetlights” have a proprietary combination of gasses developed over years of testing for a better spectrum than they had already.

And I never argued that they work. You are the troll here.

No. You're using streetlights to grow with.

Even cities are upgrading THEIR streetlights to LED.

There's plenty of spectrum graphs available that show how well modern LED provides PAR to plants at far higher lumens per watt values.

The only advantage HID has left is initial cost of acquisition. That's why you don't see a lot of people selling their LED lights...

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

I live in the same state, and I know a few growers. But we all know HID is still ubiquitous. If you know for a fact that bud you've smoked was grown under COBs or QBs, that's one thing, but "grown under LED" doesn't equate to that. So do you personally know any growers using COBs or QBs? And I don't mean on the internet.

I don't want you to buy LED. I really don't care what light anyone uses, as long as they're content. I'm simply addressing what sounds to me like confirmation bias. Saying that you haven't seen decent results at less than 50w per square foot just doesn't compute. And no, you weren't complaining about the quality, but you did say that your HPS is equal or better, and I wanted to know why one would say that if they haven't had a fair share of COB or QB-grown bud. Maybe you have, I don't know. But it certainly didn't seem like it based on other posts you've made.

This part of the discussion has many variables like genetics and grower talent and even how well the grows go. And we all like different highs too.

However I have tried cob grown home and dispensary grown and my old caregivers partner switched to fluence (?) high line led lighting last year.

The results are as variable as they are grown under any other lighting.

The dispensaries requested my weed and back when it was tested and I donated overage I showed higher canabanoid content on average than them with the new cobs with the same gear I use today.

The dispensary weed was not really on our level though. Cash cropped weed rarely is.

The fluence grown bud was an improvement over the growers 1000 watt hps bud. It smelled and tasted much better than his previous stuff.

But it was not significantly better than mine or even noticeably different.

Even he says the 1000’s were too much for his room. He had trouble with heat.

I prefer spread out 600’s. And for the same reason multiple cobs are likely effective. More points of light. Easier to control heat.

From my experience here and in person I feel it is better to wait for new tech.

But again. I am happy with my results. And I am well within budget.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

No. You're using streetlights to grow with.

Even cities are upgrading THEIR streetlights to LED.

There's plenty of spectrum graphs available that show how well modern LED provides PAR to plants at far higher lumens per watt values.

The only advantage HID has left is initial cost of acquisition. That's why you don't see a lot of people selling their LED lights...

Yes. They are using the same kind of lights you are calling Grow lights.

And as usual you missed the point about par not metering specific wavelengths.

If you did you would see that hps has more usable light. Just at slightly more wattage.

I linked a chart from the u of Utah above that shows this info.

You have ignored university proof I show with your ignorant comments since my first post on your vertical thread almost 2 years ago.

And you got angry and upset and called names then too. Because you don’t really know what you are talking about and are pretending to be an expert.

I was actually trying to learn. And have learned much from study since.

 

[Chunky Stool]

This part of the discussion has many variables like genetics and grower talent and even how well the grows go. And we all like different highs too.

However I have tried cob grown home and dispensary grown and my old caregivers partner switched to fluence (?) high line led lighting last year.

The results are as variable as they are grown under any other lighting.

The dispensaries requested my weed and back when it was tested and I donated overage I showed higher canabanoid content on average than them with the new cobs with the same gear I use today.

The dispensary weed was not really on our level though. Cash cropped weed rarely is.

The fluence grown bud was an improvement over the growers 1000 watt hps bud. It smelled and tasted much better than his previous stuff.

But it was not significantly better than mine or even noticeably different.

Even he says the 1000’s were too much for his room. He had trouble with heat.

I prefer spread out 600’s. And for the same reason multiple cobs are likely effective. More points of light. Easier to control heat.

From my experience here and in person I feel it is better to wait for new tech.

But again. I am happy with my results. And I am well within budget.

I agree about spreading out smaller lights. When I'm in "full bloom", I run 2 600w HPS + 2 400w MH (2,000w total). This combo works WAY better than a couple of 1,000w.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

I agree about spreading out smaller lights. When I'm in "full bloom", I run 2 600w HPS + 2 400w MH (2,000w total). This combo works WAY better than a couple of 1,000w.

I bet that works and looks great!

I miss my cmh in with the hps 600’s. I’m convinced the 2 600’s and 1 315 cmh would be the perfect light over a 4x8 area.

And I miss the more natural light to see the plants as they really look.

But I may run a few plants full cycle under the Phillips 3100k 315 in a 3x3 tent so I don’t have to start rebuilding yet.

Pretty sure I can get a pound of sticky buds in 3 months.