Buds quality LEDs VS HPS

[Buba Blend]

No. I don't want anyone's help. Just me and you tty. Can you ask the other trolls to shut up for a minute and we can talk.

 

[Humple]

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Pretty sure this is the problem right here. This "us and them" mentality. As for people being upset - to be completely honest, from what I've seen, it's the HPS-faithful (a distinction should be made between them and HPS-growers) that start talking shit and then get all bent out of shape. There are plenty of reasonable people who grow with HID, LED, CFL, sunlight, whatever... It's just the trolls that skew the perspective.

 

[captainmorgan]

Without watching the video produced by a company that sells LED, I'm going to guess LED won.
Let this thread die, the hps guys already won and have left the building.

Nobody had posted in this thread for 10 days until you shot your mouth off blowhard.

 

[Black Thumb]

Been at it for more then 20 years, Ive done HPS MH and CMH. You guys can have the HID lights, Im actually grateful for the stubborn folk, these QB's are hard enough to get as it is.

LED SUCK DONT BUY THEM !!!!

 

[Buba Blend]

I'm waiting tty I'm not going to waste time responding to everyone at the same time. The rest can wait there turn.

 

[ttystikk]

I'm waiting tty I'm not going to waste time responding to everyone at the same time. The rest can wait there turn.

My response is above.

You'll notice it's all about the merits of the technology.

 

[Humple]

I'm waiting tty I'm not going to waste time responding to everyone at the same time. The rest can wait there turn.

This guy...

Do hurry and reply, @ttystikk! The rest of us will be on pins and needles until Buba Blend gives us our long-awaited replies!

 

[Buba Blend]

LED is more efficient, has better spectrum, is safer, lasts much longer with less maintenance and offers far superior light distribution.

The only place it lags behind HID is initial purchase price (not counting ROI measured in months, in energy cost savings alone) and that gap is narrowing by the day.

HID is obsolete. The best of it is 315W CMH and even that isn't serious competition once running and lamp replacement costs are figured in.

Good bud can be grown with all of them. It's easier and more efficient to grow with LED.

Even Gavita are coming out with an LED fixture.

If all that isn't enough, @Yodaweed will keep you company. You can both deny the future together.

Cool. Just gonna respond to you in a minute and ignore the rest for now. So that I can stay focused.

 

[ttystikk]

This guy...

Do hurry and reply, @ttystikk! The rest of us will be on pins and needles until Buba Blend gives us our long-awaited replies!

Lol

 

[Buba Blend]

My response is above.

You'll notice it's all about the merits of the technology.

Just to get started.
I promise to not insult anyone but if I have information that applies to an argument I'll use it even if it may cause some butt hurt. Not speaking of you.
FYI. I hate no one on RIU!
Do you think Humble grows?
Do you think I grow?
Have you read my previous posts. Sure I can be a lot of things, no doubt there. You don't have to fill me in, but do you think I lie or that I generally tell the truth?

 

[Chunky Stool]

Hard to explain the increasing rush by longtime growers to switch to COBs or Boards though.

Q: What are the trends on craigslist?
A: A shitload of legacy gear, but hardly any used LED gear.

Growers are definitely switching.

If you think about it, this is Business 101. If you can get equal or better quality for less cost, that's what you do. It's all about ROI and depreciation.

The city recently replaced a streetlight in front of my house, going from HPS to LED. It's WAY brighter now and probably uses less power.

Don't get me wrong, HPS definitely works -- hell I'm still using it!
But the clock is ticking...

 

[Buba Blend]

Q: What are the trends on craigslist?
A: A shitload of legacy gear, but hardly any used LED gear.

Growers are definitely switching.

If you think about it, this is Business 101. If you can get equal or better quality for less cost, that's what you do. It's all about ROI and depreciation.

The city recently replaced a streetlight in front of my house, going from HPS to LED. It's WAY brighter now and probably uses less power.

Don't get me wrong, HPS definitely works -- hell I'm still using it!
But the clock is ticking...

I have said similar things many times. I don't think some of the trolls chiming in know that.

 

[Buba Blend]

TTY, do you know that I have said things similar to what Chunky said in the recent past?

 

[Buba Blend]

TTY, I have another question. Hope it is OK to ask.
You spend a lot of time in the led section. I'm sure it will be the place to be in the near future. Hope I don't wear out my welcome.
I have said before many times there are led growers that I respect.
In the Newbie Central Section or the plant problem section. I can name probably dozens of members that keep the trolls in check.
Are there people that you can name that control the trolls here in the LED section?

 

[Buba Blend]

Oh Well! I kind of thought it was going to be a conversation so I've been distracted from other things and need to get back. .
If others have a list of troll hunters in the led section I'm sure members on that list would be proud to get a shout out.
Just curious if they are here and who they are.
I would happily put together a list of troll hunters I know that would be happy to get a shout out for being troll hunters in the sections I hang out in. Some of them posted in this thread.
Happy Growing!

 

[Buba Blend]

Come on guys! You know what a troll hunter is don't you?
Troll Hunters take down fakes or people that try to fuck up another persons grow.
Maybe it would be someone in my section who see's someone insulting one of you when you came to visit.
I promise guys if you come to the plant problem section and you show mediocre buds grown with LED I will protect you from any trolls that fuck with you and if I need back up I will call it myself and it won't be yodaweed. Looks like he is busy enough here.
Come on guys, at least insult me or something.
OK, I'll go 1st.
I think there is some guy with MJ or cannabis or something like that in his screen name, that might be a troll hunter in this section. Can't remember his name. To stoned I guess.

 

[Buba Blend]

@MichiganMedGrower Hope you have a good morning. Don't want to call you into this debate but it is so quiet. I feel nervous like an assault is coming.
Am I being bad, if I am I always want you to tell me.
I would include my friend the good Dr. but no need to drag him in and you are already here and I like you as my bullshit meter. He is my Sensei.
I will @ him as someone who protects new growers from trolls just like you and me if I make that list.
Do the trolls run rampant here in LED. I haven't spent much time here. Seems like a lot of insecurities here IDK.

This is a legitimate curiousity of mine.
I'm kind of afraid to ask here but what the hell, life is short.
Ignore the topped plants in the back.
The plant in the front is an experiment in under watering. I would like @whitebb2727 ( A lovable guy that will set a troll straight if they mess with a new grower) to look at it also. Must be showing the stress it is being put through. Pistils still look great. The pictures of the one in the front, not topped, is 42" tall and has been watered 3 times after being a tiny seedling and put into that pot, the transplant into the wet soil is not counted as a watering. It is 3 1/2 weeks from flip and is an 11 - 13 week flowering strain from what I have experienced.
Serious question for anyone.
Or is it wrong for me to drag whitebb2727 into this hostile thread. No need to respond here if you don't want too. I can always start a thread in the less hostile problem section.
Q: Would I be able to grow a bigger better plant with LED watering 3 times? If yes maybe I will get some bad ass LED lights.
Didn't really want to talk about the LED vs hps aspects of doing it but I'm curious about that and was also wondering what whitebb2727 thought about its health. I plan to stress it as far as I can and you have a good eye for under watered plants..


Three pics added below from two days ago.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

@MichiganMedGrower Hope you have a good morning. Don't want to call you into this debate but it is so quiet. I feel nervous like an assault is coming.
Am I being bad, if I am I always want you to tell me.
I would include my friend the good Dr. but no need to drag him in and you are already here and I like you as my bullshit meter. He is my Sensei.
I will @ him as someone who protects new growers from trolls just like you and me if I make that list.
Do the trolls run rampant here in LED. I haven't spent much time here. Seems like a lot of insecurities here IDK.

This is a legitimate curiousity of mine.
I'm kind of afraid to ask here but what the hell, life is short.
Ignore the topped plants in the back.
The plant in the front is an experiment in under watering. I would like @whitebb2727 ( A lovable guy that will set a troll straight if they mess with a new grower) to look at it also. Must be showing the stress it is being put through. Pistils still look great. The pictures of the one in the front, not topped, is 42" tall and has been watered 3 times after being a tiny seedling and put into that pot, the transplant into the wet soil is not counted as a watering. It is 3 1/2 weeks from flip and is an 11 - 13 week flowering strain from what I have experienced.
Serious question for anyone.
Or is it wrong for me to drag whitebb2727 into this hostile thread. No need to respond here if you don't want too. I can always start a thread in the less hostile problem section.
Q: Would I be able to grow a bigger better plant with LED watering 3 times? If yes maybe I will get some bad ass LED lights.
Didn't really want to talk about the LED vs hps aspects of doing it but I'm curious about that and was also wondering what whitebb2727 thought about its health. I plan to stress it as far as I can and you have a good eye for under watered plants..

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Nice work there! Beautiful plants.

But the debate is silly. If we are talking about efficiency the led wins. There is no other “better” about the lights. They both have pros and cons and are simply tools. Old tools and new tools. Both work.

The university of Michigan has tons of info on light spectrums and there effect on plants.

The biggest main factor and it was proven long ago is lumens or candlepower is the most important measure regardless of par as far as plant growth in general is concerned. It was the hps vs mh originally tested. Plants can and will transfer photosynthesis to the strongest wavelength. So hps wins in usable light.

So even though it isn’t exactly scientific. It is proven that the more wattage a grow light has the more plant you can get and faster.

The more diminished factors but extremely relevant are that blue light grows more compact leafy greener plants and red light tends to promote branching and flowering.

They suggest a full balanced sunlight like spectrum for leafy greens production.

They suggest less blue and more red for a flowering or fruiting plant.

I think many of the buds shown grown under led or cmh have a poor leaf to calyx ratio. It was a trimming complaint under cmh alone. I have proven in my garden that yield and less leafy bud structure returned under hps alone.

But this is wattage and spectrum influenced. Doesn’t matter what kind of light is used. Matters which usable light gets to the plants.

And wattage is seeming to influence potency like ed Rosenthal says in his book. The hps buds are more potent on average according to every tester than the cmh buds.

So amount of usable light may be more influential on potency and even complex canabanoid production over uv light.

 

[ttystikk]

TTY, I have another question. Hope it is OK to ask.
You spend a lot of time in the led section. I'm sure it will be the place to be in the near future. Hope I don't wear out my welcome.
I have said before many times there are led growers that I respect.
In the Newbie Central Section or the plant problem section. I can name probably dozens of members that keep the trolls in check.
Are there people that you can name that control the trolls here in the LED section?

We're generally pretty self policing here.

 

[sethimus]

The university of Michigan has tons of info on light spectrums and there effect on plants.

The biggest main factor and it was proven long ago is lumens or candlepower is the most important measure regardless of par as far as plant growth in general is concerned.