Anyone use Dyna-Gro Grow in Veg and Bloom?

[whitebb2727]

Very interesting.
Why do you like megacrop better than foliage pro?

Sounds like I need to try megacrop.

Mega crop has a few extra things in it like kelp and other extracts.

I like them both. I just like the Mega crop a little more.

 

[GreenleafNutrients]

Very interesting.
Why do you like megacrop better than foliage pro?

Sounds like I need to try megacrop.

We do a comparison vs DynaGro on our home page
https://greenleafnutrients.com/

If you are viewing on a mobile the chart may be hard to view, but works better on side rotate view and table/desktop view.

In short summary, Foliage Pro is not meant for hydroponics, its half ammonia nitrogen, so it should be used for soil growing only.

Also, you can compare the ingredient and nutrient list for further comparison to see the big difference.

Notice no sulfur in DynaGro, so I wouldn't call it a complete nutrient.

Also, notice MEGA CROP has over double the Calcium, and 4x the Magnesium. I would say Dyna Gro is definitely better that Miracle Grow, but still lacking, also the high nitrogen seems it might be a bit dangerous to use in Bloom phase.

 

[Sour Wreck]

cool ^^^^

 

[GreenleafNutrients]

very true. i used the foliage pro for veg, then tried the bloom and the P value was way too high. yellowed my leaves up in maybe 2 days. took a few weeks to get them back on track and i'm sure it affected yield

i had issues with the maxi crop dropping my pH way too fast when used with RO water. keep your eye on it if you use RO

hey Rky

I thought we troubleshooted this already last month, you were getting pH drift with water and ph UP only and no nutrients at all. So dont' you think its not related to nutrient products?

ok, 48 hrs later pH is 6.88.

so began at 5.19 with RO water, 3 drops GH pH UP at 9.68 and 48hrs later at 6.88

thoughts? @GreenleafNutrients

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

Mega crop has a few extra things in it like kelp and other extracts.

I like them both. I just like the Mega crop a little more.

Seaweed added to both mentioned powdered fertilizer may be the bonus in my opinion. I am really believing that the wide array of immediately available 60 odd micronutes may be helping plants reach higher potential.

Rather than the 16 nutes total in dyna Grow in this example.

I thought Botanicare Kind was pretty great for flavor and potency. It includes only the seaweed from their natural fertilizers. The rest is chemical fertilizer salts.

 

[whitebb2727]

We do a comparison vs DynaGro on our home page
https://greenleafnutrients.com/

If you are viewing on a mobile the chart may be hard to view, but works better on side rotate view and table/desktop view.

In short summary, Foliage Pro is not meant for hydroponics, its half ammonia nitrogen, so it should be used for soil growing only.

Also, you can compare the ingredient and nutrient list for further comparison to see the big difference.

View attachment 4051471

Notice no sulfur in DynaGro, so I wouldn't call it a complete nutrient.

Also, notice MEGA CROP has over double the Calcium, and 4x the Magnesium. I would say Dyna Gro is definitely better that Miracle Grow, but still lacking, also the high nitrogen seems it might be a bit dangerous to use in Bloom phase.

The bottle of foliage pro I have has directions for hydro on it. Odd.


I agree with you mostly. Except the nitrogen part. Nitrogen is essential all the way to the end. The exact amount will vary by strain. I've seen many a plant starved of N because of people switching to bloom feeds. A balanced feed is better.

Dynagro makes a bloom booster as well as sulfur additive. I think they do it that way so people can tailor the the ratio for specific strains.

All this said, I still think mega crop is better.

Seaweed added to both mentioned powdered fertilizer may be the bonus in my opinion. I am really believing that the wide array of immediately available 60 odd micronutes may be helping plants reach higher potential.

Rather than the 16 nutes total in dyna Grow in this example.

I thought Botanicare Kind was pretty great for flavor and potency. It includes only the seaweed from their natural fertilizers. The rest is chemical fertilizer salts.

I've used seaweed and kelp meals for years.

I used the kind sample kit for a couple grows. Decent product as well.

Rxgreensolutions is a good product as well.

 

[GreenleafNutrients]

I agree with you mostly. Except the nitrogen part. Nitrogen is essential all the way to the end. The exact amount will vary by strain.

Yeah, Nitrogen is definitely important all the way through

The issue for hydroponics, the Ammonical/Ammonium/Urea type nitrogen type can be a problem
http://scienceinhydroponics.com/2010/05/urea-in-hydroponics-positive-or-negative.html
http://scienceinhydroponics.com/2009/02/nitrogen-fertilization-in-hydroponics.html
http://npk-industries.com/plant_nutrition_nitrogen.html

A rough ballpark for hydroponic nutrient ammonium/nitrate ratio would be about 10 parts nitrate:1 part ammonium minimum

The foliage pro seems to be more like 1:1 ratio, which seems very high ammonium for a hydroponic type. Companies use Ammonical type for soil because it is less expsensive, and can break down slower over time in soil.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

Yeah, Nitrogen is definitely important all the way through

The issue for hydroponics, the Ammonical/Ammonium/Urea type nitrogen type can be a problem
http://scienceinhydroponics.com/2010/05/urea-in-hydroponics-positive-or-negative.html
http://scienceinhydroponics.com/2009/02/nitrogen-fertilization-in-hydroponics.html
http://npk-industries.com/plant_nutrition_nitrogen.html

A rough ballpark for hydroponic nutrient ammonium/nitrate ratio would be about 10 parts nitrate:1 part ammonium minimum

The foliage pro seems to be more like 1:1 ratio, which seems very high ammonium for a hydroponic type. Companies use Ammonical type for soil because it is less expsensive, and can break down slower over time in soil.

I think back when they made that they meant fertigation of peat lite type mix like in Greenhouse production.

And called it hydroponic. The president talks a lot in that interview I posted. The usage may be mentioned just like him admitting the bloom is not warranted and he sells it anyway. He does mention hydroponics but I don't remember what about.

 

[Chunky Stool]

We do a comparison vs DynaGro on our home page
https://greenleafnutrients.com/

If you are viewing on a mobile the chart may be hard to view, but works better on side rotate view and table/desktop view.

In short summary, Foliage Pro is not meant for hydroponics, its half ammonia nitrogen, so it should be used for soil growing only.

Also, you can compare the ingredient and nutrient list for further comparison to see the big difference.

View attachment 4051471

Notice no sulfur in DynaGro, so I wouldn't call it a complete nutrient.

Also, notice MEGA CROP has over double the Calcium, and 4x the Magnesium. I would say Dyna Gro is definitely better that Miracle Grow, but still lacking, also the high nitrogen seems it might be a bit dangerous to use in Bloom phase.

You have mixed apples & oranges -- and your math is off.
SMH
If your product is decent, bullshit isn't necessary.

 

[Chunky Stool]

Yeah, Nitrogen is definitely important all the way through

The issue for hydroponics, the Ammonical/Ammonium/Urea type nitrogen type can be a problem
http://scienceinhydroponics.com/2010/05/urea-in-hydroponics-positive-or-negative.html
http://scienceinhydroponics.com/2009/02/nitrogen-fertilization-in-hydroponics.html
http://npk-industries.com/plant_nutrition_nitrogen.html

A rough ballpark for hydroponic nutrient ammonium/nitrate ratio would be about 10 parts nitrate:1 part ammonium minimum

The foliage pro seems to be more like 1:1 ratio, which seems very high ammonium for a hydroponic type. Companies use Ammonical type for soil because it is less expsensive, and can break down slower over time in soil.

Math isn't your forte.
Look at the foliage pro label again. Are you sure half the nitrogen is amonia. ("1:1").

 

[Chunky Stool]

The bottle of foliage pro I have has directions for hydro on it. Odd.


I agree with you mostly. Except the nitrogen part. Nitrogen is essential all the way to the end. The exact amount will vary by strain. I've seen many a plant starved of N because of people switching to bloom feeds. A balanced feed is better.

Dynagro makes a bloom booster as well as sulfur additive. I think they do it that way so people can tailor the the ratio for specific strains.

All this said, I still think mega crop is better.


I've used seaweed and kelp meals for years.

I used the kind sample kit for a couple grows. Decent product as well.

Rxgreensolutions is a good product as well.

Exactly why is megacrop better? How has it performed better than what you were using previously?

 

[Chunky Stool]

And who is the cannabis chemist that fine tuned mega crop?
Why does cannabis need so much molybdenum?
This feels like marketing hype.

I'm sure megacrop is a good product, but it's a bold claim to say it's the best nute for cannabis.

 

[Fractured but whole]

FP works great thru bloom. start to finish

 

[GreenleafNutrients]

You have mixed apples & oranges -- and your math is off.
SMH
If your product is decent, bullshit isn't necessary.

simple mistake reading the label, the picture is dark hard to view clearly. Its 2:1 (not 1:1 ratio)

My original point, if you read, was that ideal range for Hydroponic Nitrogen is 10:1 or higher. Dyna is 2:1 ratio, (not 1:1) it is still outside the ideal suggested ratio for hydroponics. So the claim still stands (no bullshit).

Exactly why is megacrop better? How has it performed better than what you were using previously?

in comparison to Foliage Pro, it has approx double the Calcium, 4x Magnesium, and Sulfur/Silica included in the base. So this would be 3-4 products from Dyna Gro?

Dyna can still grow a great plant, even with 1 part, but just getting some extra edge with more complete formula.

And who is the cannabis chemist that fine tuned mega crop?
Why does cannabis need so much molybdenum?
This feels like marketing hype.

Formula is just based of Cananbis test runs, scientific research, etc... Product was 100% designed for Cannabis crop specific nutrient needs, but it can also be used for Tomatoes, Strawberries, Fruits/Vegetables as well because it is a complete nutrient (has all essential ingredients) It doesn't really need that much molyb, but we never hyped marketing in regards to molyb.

Also, we may have a bit of market hype, trying to increase awareness and get peoples attention, but our prices are pretty low (almost on par with Jack's), so we aren't price gouging or trying to exploit anyone.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

And who is the cannabis chemist that fine tuned mega crop?
Why does cannabis need so much molybdenum?
This feels like marketing hype.

I'm sure megacrop is a good product, but it's a bold claim to say it's the best nute for cannabis.

I will take a shot about the molybdenum. There was one polish study done that showed thc and cbd linked to an excess of that and iron. One supposedly influences thc and the other cbd but I saw this in an ad for sea minerals in a hydro store ad. Dr. Who started a thread about it a while back and I posted pics of the article.

But I don't have them anymore. I think iron was thc.

And the test was deemed inconclusive I believe. Or needs further testing.

The other problem is the opposite of his argument about nitrogen types.

It has everything for an organic hybrid hydro grow. I don't know enough about water culture to comment further.

However,

It is a bit over done for a potting mix grow with lime or oyster buffer and especially if there are nutrients included.

I don't really want silica or maybe the calcium is high for my well water and soil mix. And the mag is boosted out of proportion. Well unless you go mag deficient I guess. I rarely do. It's the calcium that's more problematic in my system here.

Fertilizer should be matched to water quality and the medium. They all need to balance.

 

[Chunky Stool]

I will take a shot about the molybdenum. There was one polish study done that showed thc and cbd linked to an excess of that and iron. One supposedly influences thc and the other cbd but I saw this in an ad for sea minerals in a hydro store ad. Dr. Who started a thread about it a while back and I posted pics of the article.

But I don't have them anymore. I think iron was thc.

And the test was deemed inconclusive I believe. Or needs further testing.

The other problem is the opposite of his argument about nitrogen types.

It has everything for an organic hybrid hydro grow. I don't know enough about water culture to comment further.

However,

It is a bit over done for a potting mix grow with lime or oyster buffer and especially if there are nutrients included.

I don't really want silica or maybe the calcium is high for my well water and soil mix. And the mag is boosted out of proportion. Well unless you go mag deficient I guess. I rarely do. It's the calcium that's more problematic in my system here.

Fertilizer should be matched to water quality and the medium. They all need to balance.

I agree
Most nutrient manufacturers claim their products work well in hydro & soil, but really it depends on how you define "soil".
I bet a lot of growers shoot themselves in the foot by using a complete nutrient to treat a specific problem. Let's say you have organic soil and notice a N deficiency. Using a product like megacrop or foliage pro will fix the N deficiency but now you've got a surplus of everything else.

 

[Chunky Stool]

I will take a shot about the molybdenum. There was one polish study done that showed thc and cbd linked to an excess of that and iron. One supposedly influences thc and the other cbd but I saw this in an ad for sea minerals in a hydro store ad. Dr. Who started a thread about it a while back and I posted pics of the article.

But I don't have them anymore. I think iron was thc.

And the test was deemed inconclusive I believe. Or needs further testing.

The other problem is the opposite of his argument about nitrogen types.

It has everything for an organic hybrid hydro grow. I don't know enough about water culture to comment further.

However,

It is a bit over done for a potting mix grow with lime or oyster buffer and especially if there are nutrients included.

I don't really want silica or maybe the calcium is high for my well water and soil mix. And the mag is boosted out of proportion. Well unless you go mag deficient I guess. I rarely do. It's the calcium that's more problematic in my system here.

Fertilizer should be matched to water quality and the medium. They all need to balance.

What would be a good source of iron for organic soil? Blood meal?

 

[dstroy]

We do a comparison vs DynaGro on our home page
https://greenleafnutrients.com/

If you are viewing on a mobile the chart may be hard to view, but works better on side rotate view and table/desktop view.

In short summary, Foliage Pro is not meant for hydroponics, its half ammonia nitrogen, so it should be used for soil growing only.

Also, you can compare the ingredient and nutrient list for further comparison to see the big difference.

View attachment 4051471

Notice no sulfur in DynaGro, so I wouldn't call it a complete nutrient.

Also, notice MEGA CROP has over double the Calcium, and 4x the Magnesium. I would say Dyna Gro is definitely better that Miracle Grow, but still lacking, also the high nitrogen seems it might be a bit dangerous to use in Bloom phase.

Cobaltous sulfate CoSO4, magnesium sulfate MgSO4

I'm not defending dyna gro, but it does contain sulfur.

Your nutrients list MgSO4 as an ingredient as well, which appears to be the primary source of sulfur.

Do your nutrients contain cobaltous sulfate? Co is an essential micronutrient.

 

[Chunky Stool]

simple mistake reading the label, the picture is dark hard to view clearly. Its 2:1 (not 1:1 ratio)

My original point, if you read, was that ideal range for Hydroponic Nitrogen is 10:1 or higher. Dyna is 2:1 ratio, (not 1:1) it is still outside the ideal suggested ratio for hydroponics. So the claim still stands (no bullshit).


in comparison to Foliage Pro, it has approx double the Calcium, 4x Magnesium, and Sulfur/Silica included in the base. So this would be 3-4 products from Dyna Gro?

Dyna can still grow a great plant, even with 1 part, but just getting some extra edge with more complete formula.



Formula is just based of Cananbis test runs, scientific research, etc... Product was 100% designed for Cannabis crop specific nutrient needs, but it can also be used for Tomatoes, Strawberries, Fruits/Vegetables as well because it is a complete nutrient (has all essential ingredients) It doesn't really need that much molyb, but we never hyped marketing in regards to molyb.

Also, we may have a bit of market hype, trying to increase awareness and get peoples attention, but our prices are pretty low (almost on par with Jack's), so we aren't price gouging or trying to exploit anyone.

Real scientific research is published and peer reviewed.

It's also suspicious when you try to sell us on the idea that we need a nutrient that's tuned specifically for cannabis, but that same nutrient also works well for everything else.
Hmm... using this logic, the nutes I use in my garden should also work well for cannabis. Yes?

 

[dstroy]

Also, I don't think anyone has any delusions on what a really, exceptionally great deal your product is. It is so very attractive from a cost/simplicity perspective.

The only other company I know of that makes a chitosan product marketed for plants is agrihouse, and it's expensive from them.