Buds quality LEDs VS HPS

[a mongo frog]

Nobody disputes that dispensary weed is not the same as a quality home grow in a 4x4 area.

Id dispute that. Currently probably 20 members are on menus? Have you ever been on a dispensary menu? I don't think you know the industry like you are blabbering about. No offense. Can we see some of your safety test lab results.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

Id dispute that. Currently probably 20 members are on menus? Have you ever been on a dispensary menu? I don't think you know the industry like you are blabbering about. No offense. Can we see some of your safety test lab results.

Mrs. MMG just came back from Colorado. She visited the 2 well known highly rated Boulder dispensaries.

She said quality was poor compared to our home grown.

And the experience with dispensaries in west Michigan including the one who had my stuff was most flowers were cut early poorly grown and didn't hardly get me high for long.

And not cured at all.

A friend said some have gotten some good stuff lately I would hope the growers had improved but schedules and cash will always be first.

 

[a mongo frog]

Mrs. MMG just came back from Colorado. She visited the 2 well known highly rated Boulder dispensaries.

She said quality was poor compared to our home grown.

And the experience with dispensaries in west Michigan including the one who had my stuff was most flowers were cut early poorly grown and didn't hardly get me high for long.

And not cured at all.

A friend said some have gotten some good stuff lately I would hope the growers had improved but schedules and cash will always be first.

Tell her to come to California North or South. Its outstanding. Maybe not for long but as of right now patients can donate their off the chart meds if they want to help out the patients. Show them something that they haven't seen in a long time with your own lab results and they won't let you leave the facility.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

Tell her to come to California North or South. Its outstanding. Maybe not for long but as of right now patients can donate their off the chart meds if they want to help out the patients. Show them something that they haven't seen in a long time with your own lab results and they won't let you leave the facility.

I am pretty sure we will be just as disappointed. Growers online here and at thc Farmer suggested those Colorado dispensaries. And all the pot there had lab tests done.

All you do is send in the frostiest buds. There is no actual pot that is 30% thc. Not even 30% trichomes.

I have had the same buds test 17% and 22% back when we were working with them.

I obviously used the 22% report when I donated the overage.

But which test and which lab was correct?

 

[Buba Blend]

Id dispute that. Currently probably 20 members are on menus? Have you ever been on a dispensary menu? I don't think you know the industry like you are blabbering about. No offense. Can we see some of your safety test lab results.

No offense taken. I love to be challenged. Happy to blabber about anything, give me some time to respond later, to stoned and busy right now but glad to chat about anything you think you may know about me.
Oh! @MichiganMedGrower When I talk about the industry, is it a good or bad idea if I talk about having beers and playing pool and telling master growers and owners who know where I live as I also know where they live , with a cocky smile, that my weed is better than yours and you know it. Or should I avoid those types of inputs. Probably should leave that out. LOL
Only persons opinion I care about on that statement is yours. Do You Believe that statement? Or do you think it is Bullshit?

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

No offense taken. I love to be challenged. Happy to blabber about anything, give me some time to respond later, to stoned and busy right now but glad to chat about anything you think you may know about me.
Oh! @MichiganMedGrower When I talk about the industry, is it a good or bad idea if I talk about having beers and playing pool and telling master growers and owners who know where I live as I also know where they live , with a cocky smile, that my weed is better than yours and you know it. Or should I avoid those types of inputs. Probably should leave that out. LOL
Only persons opinion I care about on that statement is yours. Do You Believe that statement? Or do you think it is Bullshit?

I am not sure what you are asking me?

But I am the absolute worse person to consult about etiquette in conversation I know. I am just brutally honest about everything. I have no real filter.

 

[Chunky Stool]

I am not sure what you are asking me?

But I am the absolute worse person to consult about etiquette in conversation I know. I am just brutally honest about everything. I have no real filter.

Yep.
You're abrasive but honest. Not into "bro science".
It's cool...

 

[Buba Blend]

I am not sure what you are asking me?

But I am the absolute worse person to consult about etiquette in conversation I know. I am just brutally honest about everything. I have no real filter.

Sorry! As I said I'm stoned and busy and I do ramble.
I brought you in because you liked mongos post to me.
I need to separate my conversation between you and mongo and stay on point.
I have always admired that you will call people out even if it was going to cause you some difficult times with other members. You are always willing to take on people when they are Bullshitting.
Curious what you feel about this statement below. You have seen my previous posts.
Do you think this statement is true or Bullshit or somewhere in between?

"I have had beers and played pool with master growers and owners and with a cocky smile would tell them that my weed is better than theirs and they know it. To add I also explained to a master growers girlfriend why that is. You should know why I hope."

^^^^^^
I'm curious if you believe it, no problem if not, just want to know.

 

[Chunky Stool]

I'm not sure what a "master grower" is.
And when people start giving credit to nutes for doubling their yield, I get skeptical.

I'd be willing to bet most growers are like fishermen and exaggerate a lot. Not to mention that people have different preferences when it comes to quality. For example, I personally like strains that don't have a ton of stink. It doesn't seem to add anything to the buzz, but always has better bag appeal. Same thing for color. Bright green bud is usually harsh and uncured.
But that's just my opinion -- and I'm not a master grower.

Hell my tomato crop was almost a complete bust this year.

 

[Shawndeadhead]

It is already happening. Large LED commercial grows in Vegas are doing well from what I can tell.
IMO more LED grows probably would have been built except most of the growers have years of hps experience and a company is not going to gamble on LED unless they know they have access to experienced LED growers.
In no time led will surpass hps in vegas if it hasn't already. I know some of the larger 100,000 sq ft places are already investing.
But as a group you have to separate talking about ROI growers and those who only care about quality. They are two different conversations and I can see LED advocates saying see LED is taking over, just look what the big boys are doing and that would be misinformation to a grower who is only thinking about quality.
LED quality vs quantity conversations should not be blurred together. I'm sure people will say but look what the big boys are using, but that is heavily related to ROI. Those big boys grow crap weed compared to mine. I have thrown away some samples I tried. Nobody disputes that dispensary weed is not the same as a quality home grow in a 4x4 area. Then again there may be some people chatting here that think dispensary growers are putting out great weed comparable to the home grower IDK.
I sure can see the twist LED advocates are going to use in the future to win there arguments using commercial grows as an example.

Fuck commerical grows, and fuck legalization. The liberal douchebag crooks the people of Californian put into office now has them paying 35-65% sales tax on cannabis depending on what area your pot ship is in lol making an 1/8th $60+. Same thing happening everywhere it's legal sky rocketing prices even though it's flooded the market and you can only get $1200 for a pound but the shops are selling $60-70 1/8ths, no wonder I'm killing it and my people love me hooking up $200 O's of this.
The problem with the LED market is 2 and they are both huge. 1 is the shitty grower who has no skills and thinks throwing money at problems fixes them, 2 most led manufacturers still list how hard a light can be driven and not the actual driver included. It's deceptive because this LED panel can handle 600w without blowing up but there is only 150w driver in it, you will never get more than 150w from the 600w light. Do research build your own COB unit
BTW I'm an LED advocate because I now get over 2lb on 500w flowering light and the quality is through the ceiling and back . How can one not want to get more for less money. I hardly even have to fire up my AC unit anymore unless it's real hot day out then I might have to turn it on medium/low. That thing hardly ever came off the high setting using HPS/MH. 

 

[Chunky Stool]

I'm probably going to pull the trigger on LED this spring when it's warmer.
Have you looked at quantum boards?

 

[Shawndeadhead]

Mrs. MMG just came back from Colorado. She visited the 2 well known highly rated Boulder dispensaries.

She said quality was poor compared to our home grown.

And the experience with dispensaries in west Michigan including the one who had my stuff was most flowers were cut early poorly grown and didn't hardly get me high for long.

And not cured at all.

A friend said some have gotten some good stuff lately I would hope the growers had improved but schedules and cash will always be first.

I've see that here in Midwest where I think what I'm being shown is the left over crap from Colorado and other legal states that wasn't good enough for the shops (means it's probably moldy and covered with mite poop ) but yeah it all tastes horrible, very green, very chemical hydro tastes.
My last couple runs I over sold n didn't keep enough for myself and what's going for $300 Oz on streets here is crazy. Looks and smells good but that's where the positive stops, things turn mediocre really quick from there lol

 

[lukio]

I'm sure I will

look forward to it, man.

 

[Shawndeadhead]

I'm not sure what a "master grower" is.
And when people start giving credit to nutes for doubling their yield, I get skeptical.

I'd be willing to bet most growers are like fishermen and exaggerate a lot. Not to mention that people have different preferences when it comes to quality. For example, I personally like strains that don't have a ton of stink. It doesn't seem to add anything to the buzz, but always has better bag appeal. Same thing for color. Bright green bud is usually harsh and uncured.
But that's just my opinion -- and I'm not a master grower.

Hell my tomato crop was almost a complete bust this year.

Hey I'm not the only one that's getting killer yields using nectar for the God's/ Oregon's Only , it's completely different level than anything anyone else is doing ( there are soil organic guys that use a clacium based build up) Everyone uses high urea based nitrogen that's horrible for plants, horrible for humans, horrible for the waste going down the drain.
Nectar for the gods is a calcium based organic like, that relies nothing but calcium uptake and delivery. Changes the way the plants absorb the nutrients.
That's not sales BS there is a lot of horticulture science to back it up. Matter of fact they are highly successful and they have not spent 1 dime on advertising it's all been word of mouth from growers doing good with it.
Old school west coast guys will know them from Harvest Moon nutrients is where they started what is now Oregon's Only and Nectar God's There are fourms threads on Nectar for the God's on Facebook and RIO, and most the others. There is a nicely put together 120 page unofficial growers guide that's been put together by growers with years of experience using those products. Do some reading or even testing on your own before knocking what I and others can do with something.
Don't get me wrong if your environment is shit, if your lights are shit, if you don't check the pH of your feed if you don't keep an eye on the pH of your medium your gonna fail regardless. No one nute company can sell success to ones who don't get the whole pic. But if your on your game it's very possible.
I've pulled 5 crops all over 2lbs and 1 was 1.91 since switching to Nectar for the Gods, but it's also the same time I built my LED cob lights, but I was already getting respectable results with the hps/mh.
I've got a run going right now that I've been tweaking the calcium uptake inhibitor and their main calcium nute in the line as recommend in the NFTG forums, I don't like to guess or speculate about what's on the line because you never know till it's done, but I would say by how dense they are and a noticeable larger size of the flowers, compared to my grow I got 2.2 on then this will have to be 2.6-2.7 . I'm having to tie up some of my lower popcorns because they are touching the ground from weight.
BTW I don't have to stretch the truth on shit look at any of the pics I posted results talk, you guys are fucking high school over here, well I can't do it myself so everyone who did it is just lying lol turn off CNN it's killing you
Believe me I wouldn't stand up and defend Fox Farms, or General hydroponics, or advance any of them. I've done this 7 years seriously as in pays my income. I've used several, but honestly Nectar For The God's is next level if your game is on.
back over to the grow site the adults hang out on.

 

[Chunky Stool]

Who is bashing? I just said "skeptical".

You said "Everyone uses high urea based nitrogen", which is untrue.

Why so black & white?

Do you think you're a "master grower"?

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

Sorry! As I said I'm stoned and busy and I do ramble.
I brought you in because you liked mongos post to me.
I need to separate my conversation between you and mongo and stay on point.
I have always admired that you will call people out even if it was going to cause you some difficult times with other members. You are always willing to take on people when they are Bullshitting.
Curious what you feel about this statement below. You have seen my previous posts.
Do you think this statement is true or Bullshit or somewhere in between?

"I have had beers and played pool with master growers and owners and with a cocky smile would tell them that my weed is better than theirs and they know it. To add I also explained to a master growers girlfriend why that is. You should know why I hope."

^^^^^^
I'm curious if you believe it, no problem if not, just want to know.

Sorry I don't know man.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

Hey I'm not the only one that's getting killer yields using nectar for the God's/ Oregon's Only , it's completely different level than anything anyone else is doing ( there are soil organic guys that use a clacium based build up) Everyone uses high urea based nitrogen that's horrible for plants, horrible for humans, horrible for the waste going down the drain.
Nectar for the gods is a calcium based organic like, that relies nothing but calcium uptake and delivery. Changes the way the plants absorb the nutrients.
That's not sales BS there is a lot of horticulture science to back it up. Matter of fact they are highly successful and they have not spent 1 dime on advertising it's all been word of mouth from growers doing good with it.
Old school west coast guys will know them from Harvest Moon nutrients is where they started what is now Oregon's Only and Nectar God's There are fourms threads on Nectar for the God's on Facebook and RIO, and most the others. There is a nicely put together 120 page unofficial growers guide that's been put together by growers with years of experience using those products. Do some reading or even testing on your own before knocking what I and others can do with something.
Don't get me wrong if your environment is shit, if your lights are shit, if you don't check the pH of your feed if you don't keep an eye on the pH of your medium your gonna fail regardless. No one nute company can sell success to ones who don't get the whole pic. But if your on your game it's very possible.
I've pulled 5 crops all over 2lbs and 1 was 1.91 since switching to Nectar for the Gods, but it's also the same time I built my LED cob lights, but I was already getting respectable results with the hps/mh.
I've got a run going right now that I've been tweaking the calcium uptake inhibitor and their main calcium nute in the line as recommend in the NFTG forums, I don't like to guess or speculate about what's on the line because you never know till it's done, but I would say by how dense they are and a noticeable larger size of the flowers, compared to my grow I got 2.2 on then this will have to be 2.6-2.7 . I'm having to tie up some of my lower popcorns because they are touching the ground from weight.
BTW I don't have to stretch the truth on shit look at any of the pics I posted results talk, you guys are fucking high school over here, well I can't do it myself so everyone who did it is just lying lol turn off CNN it's killing you
Believe me I wouldn't stand up and defend Fox Farms, or General hydroponics, or advance any of them. I've done this 7 years seriously as in pays my income. I've used several, but honestly Nectar For The God's is next level if your game is on.
back over to the grow site the adults hang out on.

if you got better results with any fertilizer it just means you still had some limiting factor before.

Something was deficient.

I get over 2oz per gallon of soil and only use pure Blend Pro Grow. And that's from any seed I have planted for years now. So I have to figure out how to feed every plant I grow. They are always a little different.

 

[Capt. Stickyfingers]

BTW I don't have to stretch the truth on shit look at any of the pics I posted results talk, you guys are fucking high school over here, well I can't do it myself so everyone who did it is just lying lol turn off CNN it's killing you

Your pics aren't very impressive, to be honest. They certainly don't make me want to run out and buy the nutrients that you use.

 

[ChaosHunter]

if you got better results with any fertilizer it just means you still had some limiting factor before.

Something was deficient.

I get over 2oz per gallon of soil and only use pure Blend Pro Grow. And that's from any seed I have planted for years now. So I have to figure out how to feed every plant I grow. They are always a little different.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[Chunky Stool]

if you got better results with any fertilizer it just means you still had some limiting factor before.

Something was deficient.

I get over 2oz per gallon of soil and only use pure Blend Pro Grow. And that's from any seed I have planted for years now. So I have to figure out how to feed every plant I grow. They are always a little different.

So you could get 20 zips out of a 10 gallon pot? That's impressive!