could you tell me how you would make 350 gallons of pure lactobacilus bacteria? The only directions i can find are for making little 1 quart ammounts.
Anyone here inoculating with Mammoth P?
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iHearAll
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its not about math, its the actual procedure that im interested in, separating lactobacilus bacteria and ending up with 350gallons... its easy to separate the layers and such in a small quart jar but if you were making 350 gallons i was interested in how he would go about doing everything....
DonTesla
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Are you aware of how concentrated it is, mango?
1 Litre can make over 25,000 litres of feed, did you know that? 1 Quart of concentrated rice wash / whey / pure lacto serum gets cut with 10x the milk (raw unpasteurized being best)
Then you can cut up to 2x the sugar or molasses in, for long term room temp storage.. (some say this is heavy but lets continue with the unconventional farmers recommendations..)
So with that, every litre can yield 20L of stable serum concentrate
You then cut that at 20 : 1 before even considering its use.. so now we are at 400L or 100Gallons
then you follow the various directions, for which the average uses are 1 to 2 TBSP per Litre, depending on the several applications.
In other words, the serum gets multiplied (first by x10 then 2 then by 20 then by x67 or so) since there are 67 TBSP per Litre
And thats how we end up at 6,700 gallons, or 26,800 litres, all from one litre of pure serum. If ran at max sugar for room temp storage.
Still want to make 350 gallons of pure concentrate? That will turn into 9 million gallons..
Hope that helped a bit
Cheers
Don
L30nPh3lps
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I use mammoth p once a week all the way thru the life cycle and foliar spray photosynthesis p, a solid 30% increase in yield
Rocket Soul
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Over here in eurolandia we dont really get Mammoth P but ive seen Photosyntesis plus around 50 for a litre.
What difference did you see when you started foliar? Worth it on its own? Can i realisticly use it (due to its smell) if my extraction goes from tent to room (in my flat) rather than tent to outside?
Also, 30% increase, what where your yields to start with? Per watt and per square feet. Sorry, loads o questions. Really interested in how well photo plus as a foliar, especially in comparison to no bennies whatsoever
L30nPh3lps
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I use the photo p on my outdoor plants, about 3ml to 500ml water and spray the whole thing down at sunrise so it can dry with the rising sun, i do this twice a week and always have at least 2 new growth shoots on each little branch, im LSTing so it really helps everything catch up, i use it with the regular suggested mammoth p fed to the soil, i was seeing about 150 grams and now im up to 200+ with this schedule, i have no doubts it was the combination of that foliar spray during veg and the mammoth, photo plus on its own u can use for foliar by istelf and see great veg results and add to the soil during flowering and veg
L30nPh3lps
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The smell is def strong at first, but not super strong after it dries and with proper ventilation it wont leak thru ur house, def not a concern if ur outside u wont smell it unless ur within a few feet
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Working at a hydro store I've been lucky enough to get to try every nutrient,fertilizer and microbe out there and I'll be honest mammoth p is ok but after talking with their reps and reading all the test specs mammoth p is only as effective as they claim when used together with your nutrient solution if you inoculate between nutrient feedings it only showed a 2% increase. I've ran mammoth p for a few complete rounds thanks to growcentia sending us 2 free gallons and had decent results but nothing to justify the inflated cost. Hands down the best microbial inoculant out there is photosynthesis plus we received 2 free gallons at the growers convention in Indy and this stuff here is the bees knees. My girls went from averaging 3to4 oz's a plant to 5plus on every strain I have. Plus they don t make claims to gain 15% yield increase and at 35 bucks a quart is extremely affordable. I flower under 2 315 sunsystems Lec's a 450w LG led and 400w hps with ushio hilux expanded spectrum bulb in a 42 inch by 8 foot room. Co2 ppms hanging between 1000 to 1400 55 to 45 % humidity and highest temp hitting 85 with night temps hitting 70 and yield 3+ lbs per run. I veg in sunshine #4 mix and 2 gal pots and transplant into ready grow moisture in 5 gallon pots the day they move to 12 12. Nutrients used are botanicare pure blend pro bloom, calmag plus from botanicare,ginormous from Humboldt for pk boost and photosynthesis plus every feeding no higher than 850ppms and turn out phenomenal results. grab a bottle of photo plus and do a side by side and you'll be shocked here's some results guys and happy farming to all
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I smell me some Tomahawk....-_oWorking at a hydro store I've been lucky enough to get to try every nutrient,fertilizer and microbe out there and I'll be honest mammoth p is ok but after talking with their reps and reading all the test specs mammoth p is only as effective as they claim when used together with your nutrient solution if you inoculate between nutrient feedings it only showed a 2% increase. I've ran mammoth p for a few complete rounds thanks to growcentia sending us 2 free gallons and had decent results but nothing to justify the inflated cost. Hands down the best microbial inoculant out there is photosynthesis plus we received 2 free gallons at the growers convention in Indy and this stuff here is the bees knees. My girls went from averaging 3to4 oz's a plant to 5plus on every strain I have. Plus they don t make claims to gain 15% yield increase and at 35 bucks a quart is extremely affordable. I flower under 2 315 sunsystems Lec's a 450w LG led and 400w hps with ushio hilux expanded spectrum bulb in a 42 inch by 8 foot room. Co2 ppms hanging between 1000 to 1400 55 to 45 % humidity and highest temp hitting 85 with night temps hitting 70 and yield 3+ lbs per run. I veg in sunshine #4 mix and 2 gal pots and transplant into ready grow moisture in 5 gallon pots the day they move to 12 12. Nutrients used are botanicare pure blend pro bloom, calmag plus from botanicare,ginormous from Humboldt for pk boost and photosynthesis plus every feeding no higher than 850ppms and turn out phenomenal results. grab a bottle of photo plus and do a side by side and you'll be shocked here's some results guys and happy farming to all
TintEastwood
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My local hydro hut flipped me a freebie. Using Mammoth P this run.
In Coco. @ .5ml per Gallon, every feeding. 6x daily.
Kinda wanted to try Tribus.
That Photo + sounds like some good chit too. Next run.
In Coco. @ .5ml per Gallon, every feeding. 6x daily.
Kinda wanted to try Tribus.
That Photo + sounds like some good chit too. Next run.
TintEastwood
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Update. D43 on Mega Crop and the P. 
TintEastwood
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The best silica u can use is organic rice hulls, that's what I use for my aeration in my soil.I'm in the same boat with the time and space thing. That's why I love these inoculates. Really appreciate it again. Just wandering why and how much molasses you put in your mix. I've just counted the catalyst as my molasses all these years
I have been looking into silicas lately. Narrowed it down to a few. For some reason, when I first read about using cilities, it scared me away for some reason. That was a long time ago and everyone that I talke to that uses the right type of silica in the right amount is loving it.
Btw. If you type in the name of a product followed by ;Msds it will usually tell you way more about the ingredients. That's how I found out that rapid start is made of willow extract and is "natural" not sure how my living soil is liking it though
waterproof808
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Azos is a Nitrogen fixing bacteria, Mammoth is a P solubilizing bacteria. They have different usage.
I don't believe these particular microbes feed on sugars so using with molasses is not necessary for either. For the price they cost, I'd just stick with following the directions listed on the bag.
Gingeroot
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I always water with a lil molasses for whatever's munchin around those roots and have been skeptical on bottles as idk what would beat a properly brewed compost tea. This is an interesting product tho and I'm gonna stay tuned!