2 weeks left till harvest.. feed one last time or no?

Dr. Who

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If you consider 12/12 starting flower then you have to add about two weeks. It takes that long for flowering to start in most cases. I've seen some plants show flower in a week but that's when they have been vegged for over 2 months. Flushing is just using large amounts of plain water. I usually flush the last watering or about 3-5 days before chop. I don't think it does any good to start too soon. Your starving them.
I gotta ask this. What is this "flush" doing for you? Or better put, "What do you think it's doing for you?"

If you say removing nutrients from the plant for cleaner smoking.....You're wrong. You can't "flush" nutrients from a plant. They don't work that way.... "flush products are a waste of money too!
 
If you consider 12/12 starting flower then you have to add about two weeks. It takes that long for flowering to start in most cases. I've seen some plants show flower in a week but that's when they have been vegged for over 2 months. Flushing is just using large amounts of plain water. I usually flush the last watering or about 3-5 days before chop. I don't think it does any good to start too soon. Your starving them.
I went 9 weeks bro.. For got to add that.. I had clusters of hairs 3 days after the flip.. Went out of town to Michigan cam home 3 Days later and hairs wAs all over the place.. Did not notice it before flipping but was not paying much attention.. Also I have never went moor then 9 weeks from 1212.. But I like 5 to 10 % amber
 

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I gotta ask this. What is this "flush" doing for you? Or better put, "What do you think it's doing for you?"

If you say removing nutrients from the plant for cleaner smoking.....You're wrong. You can't "flush" nutrients from a plant. They don't work that way.... "flush products are a waste of money too!
I just stop feeding 2 weeks from harvest and let the plant use up whats in soil and then let it yellow almost all the way back to buds then cut.. And I can definitely say it dose make a big difference in the smoke to stop feeding 2 weeks before harvest... Don't consider that flushing tho
 

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Dr. Who

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I just stop feeding 2 weeks from harvest and let the plant use up whats in soil and then let it yellow almost all the way back to buds then cut.. And I can definitely say it dose make a big difference in the smoke to stop feeding 2 weeks before harvest... Don't consider that flushing tho
Is that so? You have how that works mixed up too.

Here, I edited down something I wrote a year or so ago. You need to read this.....

"You see, the thing is, the whole "idea" of "flushing is nonsense! Plants don't work that way! They do not take up nutrients or salts as most of you think of them! They do not "store" them in the sense you think of them! Not only that, but the nutritional "stores" in a plant are not in buds or budding or flowers! NO amount of "flushing" will "exchange" plant "stored" nutrition back "out" of the plant! Scientifically impossible by the way most of you guys understand......Ok, that's my word on "flushing". (No one listens to this in threads if they don't want to hear it or accept it.)

"Now then, you propose the "FADE TO FINISH" method. Great idea in theory but, and this IS a BIG BUT! Remember when I said above that "the nutritional "stores" in a plant are not in buds or budding or flowers!" ? This shoots that theory in the ass right away. You see the main amount of stored nutrition is in either the roots and the rest in leaves and some in small amounts in transit in the phloam (the sap that actually moves the nutrients around the plant)......

Now when you "starve a plant" it will draw from it's self by actually breaking down the needed parts of it's self to do an "emergency" attempt to reproduce! (This can happen in certain plants even in veg! A kind of last ditch effort to continue the species.)

With that in mind you take the fact that the plant is not "moving" nutrients "out" of buds, but into them to speed growth and as fast as it can - "reproduce". This single minded process the plant now puts it's self on causes the plant to stress it's self. This self induced stress can, in many cases if done long enough, lead the plant to go bisexual, and produce "banana's" in a last ditch effort to reproduce and "carry on the line" and produce seeds...

Basically put, In reality you are moving nutrients that you're "attempting" to get rid of,,
right to where your trying to remove them from! You are also stressing the plant in the way for "Herming" to actually happen easier!"

I suggest you read up on something called "confirmation bias." Your preconceived belief's are clouding the truth.
 

Budley Doright

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First off the OP has said he needs to harvest not thinking of harvesting lol. Here is pretty much what Doc said, but you will notice at the end of the article, the need for more data is requested as well so not really a done deal re flushing being a bad thing. Just saying lol. My data shows it doesn't do shit but my data is based only on personal experience growing the way I grow. http://www.cannabisbusinesstimes.com/article/to-flush-or--not-to-flush/
 
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Is that so? You have how that works mixed up too.

Here, I edited down something I wrote a year or so ago. You need to read this.....

"You see, the thing is, the whole "idea" of "flushing is nonsense! Plants don't work that way! They do not take up nutrients or salts as most of you think of them! They do not "store" them in the sense you think of them! Not only that, but the nutritional "stores" in a plant are not in buds or budding or flowers! NO amount of "flushing" will "exchange" plant "stored" nutrition back "out" of the plant! Scientifically impossible by the way most of you guys understand......Ok, that's my word on "flushing". (No one listens to this in threads if they don't want to hear it or accept it.)

"Now then, you propose the "FADE TO FINISH" method. Great idea in theory but, and this IS a BIG BUT! Remember when I said above that "the nutritional "stores" in a plant are not in buds or budding or flowers!" ? This shoots that theory in the ass right away. You see the main amount of stored nutrition is in either the roots and the rest in leaves and some in small amounts in transit in the phloam (the sap that actually moves the nutrients around the plant)......

Now when you "starve a plant" it will draw from it's self by actually breaking down the needed parts of it's self to do an "emergency" attempt to reproduce! (This can happen in certain plants even in veg! A kind of last ditch effort to continue the species.)

With that in mind you take the fact that the plant is not "moving" nutrients "out" of buds, but into them to speed growth and as fast as it can - "reproduce". This single minded process the plant now puts it's self on causes the plant to stress it's self. This self induced stress can, in many cases if done long enough, lead the plant to go bisexual, and produce "banana's" in a last ditch effort to reproduce and "carry on the line" and produce seeds...

Basically put, In reality you are moving nutrients that you're "attempting" to get rid of,,
right to where your trying to remove them from! You are also stressing the plant in the way for "Herming" to actually happen easier!"

I suggest you read up on something called "confirmation bias." Your preconceived belief's are clouding the truth.
just stating what I defiantly experienced when I stop feeding 2 weeks in advance.. To me was way better then feeding plants till cut. Also I never claimed to know how it works.... All I'm saying is for me stopping nutrients 2 weeks in advance makes MY smoke taste better burns better and it's just Better ... I do know last year I picked some tomatoes that had marical grow still in soil and the tomatoes I picked tasted like shit but the ones that had not been fed for a while was great.... But not disagreeing with you. I just have to harvest on week 8 from 12 12 Kuz if I don't they will know I'm growing weed weed wen the heating and cooling is installed.. Trying to stall them but its hard to do
 

Dr. Who

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just stating what I defiantly experienced when I stop feeding 2 weeks in advance.. To me was way better then feeding plants till cut. Also I never claimed to know how it works.... All I'm saying is for me stopping nutrients 2 weeks in advance makes MY smoke taste better burns better and it's just Better ... I do know last year I picked some tomatoes that had marical grow still in soil and the tomatoes I picked tasted like shit but the ones that had not been fed for a while was great.... But not disagreeing with you. I just have to harvest on week 8 from 12 12 Kuz if I don't they will know I'm growing weed weed wen the heating and cooling is installed.. Trying to stall them but its hard to do

Reposted - I suggest you read up on something called "confirmation bias." Your preconceived belief's/assumptions/feelings are clouding the truth.

I wouldn't get a bug up my ass from that post. There are others who suffer the same problem, and say they have the same issue - tomato's too. Do what works for you.
I have an acquaintance who still says he's not "descended from no monkey."
Your all in good company...
 

Mass Medicinals

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Perhaps there is confusion with the term "flushing".

We were using this term when we really meant, "normal amount of balanced water, without nutrients". So for the last 1-4 feeding prior to harvest the plants would receive proper water volume that is balanced and void of nutrients. Rather than flushing which is watering far more than a normal feeding calls for.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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fading is cutting off food a predeterminate time before harvest to let the plants use up the nutes they already have available, which will cause them to consume some or all of their own lower leaves to feed bud growth.
this does nothing to remove any nutrients from the buds. in fact, it does the opposite, as the plants response to the stress will be to cause as much reproductive growth as possible.
plants don't absorb nutrients in the form you pour them in your pots, they absorb ions of those nutrients that are freed up as the nutrients break down in your grow medium.
most of those ions are permanently bonded to the sites they are used to build. permanently.
the ones that are "mobile" are mostly stored in the root system, where they can be distributed to the rest of the plant, and the leaves, where they are used as catalyst in the photosynthesis process.
flushing is pouring a large amount of water through your grow medium to remove built up salts from fertilizers. again, this does nothing to your buds, the effect is almost identical to fading, just happens faster.
so efforts to remove nutrients from buds are useless, and in fact, cause the plants to move as much material to the buds as possible in a last ditch effort to reproduce before they die.

this is science. this is from botany 101. for real. you can look it up easily.
i realize Doctor Who said pretty much the same thing, several times, just above, but i thought maybe someone else saying it might help you see it, and forget the bro science you have accepted as real
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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that being said, i have a schedule something like this, growing in 10 gallon hempy buckets
week 1-2 400 ppm
week 3 500 ppm, week 4 600 ppm, week 5 and 6 800 ppm, week 7 and 8 400 ppm, last week 200 ppm of just epsom salts.
i adjust that for how much the plant seems to need, can go up or down depending on how the plants react, and how fast they seem to be maturing, but thats the general idea. i do cut back towards the end, but never cold turkey
 
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fading is cutting off food a predeterminate time before harvest to let the plants use up the nutes they already have available, which will cause them to consume some or all of their own lower leaves to feed bud growth.
this does nothing to remove any nutrients from the buds. in fact, it does the opposite, as the plants response to the stress will be to cause as much reproductive growth as possible.
plants don't absorb nutrients in the form you pour them in your pots, they absorb ions of those nutrients that are freed up as the nutrients break down in your grow medium.
most of those ions are permanently bonded to the sites they are used to build. permanently.
the ones that are "mobile" are mostly stored in the root system, where they can be distributed to the rest of the plant, and the leaves, where they are used as catalyst in the photosynthesis process.
flushing is pouring a large amount of water through your grow medium to remove built up salts from fertilizers. again, this does nothing to your buds, the effect is almost identical to fading, just happens faster.
so efforts to remove nutrients from buds are useless, and in fact, cause the plants to move as much material to the buds as possible in a last ditch effort to reproduce before they die.

this is science. this is from botany 101. for real. you can look it up easily.
i realize Doctor Who said pretty much the same thing, several times, just above, but i thought maybe someone else saying it might help you see it, and forget the bro science you have accepted as real
its not that I am not excepting it..im just not going to agree that buds don't taste better when you keep feeding.. For me If I don't stop feeding and keep pushing bat shit and other nutrients in to my soil my buds test like shit my gf also agrees with that.organic to me taste like shit to but I do better with organic so next grow will be organic. Also if I keep feeding I get black ask in my pipe and on my joints if I stop feeding and just water I get grey ash never black.... Not sure of the science behind that but it definitely burns grey lol... Like I said 3 times b 4 not disagreeing sure it's true sounds good to me.. But I'm sure there is some other science behind the better tasting smoke and grey ash
 
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But hey my Newport's burn white ash to lol and they got moor shit in them then my weed haha. So what do I know ?? not shit frfr and never claimed to???.. Taste better to Me so I just do it
 

Budley Doright

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I think it's gonna Finnish in 8 weeks.. All I'm seeing is light cloudy trikes and really cloudy trikes it is still producing tho
Keep in mind that sometimes amber doesn't happen until the plant is dead so yes when it stops needing water and stops growing is one of many indicators I use, the biggest factor for me is
am I running out and how long to dry and cure lol.
 
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