Another mass shooting.

schuylaar

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Does this mean gun sales are going through the roof again this week?

What kind of guns did he have?..I want to get mine down at the local Walmart(s).

Love me that 'honor' system of checking the box that states 'no reason for me to not have a gun'. I have a harder time getting special order crispy fries at McD's on Free Fry Fridays.
 

Unclebaldrick

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Phew. That was close. But the President set us straight after finishing up his round of golf in Japan.

"This is not a guns situation"

The man has the best words. He really is an inspiration to us all.

For a while I was really concerned that this might be a guns situation. I feel better now. The last thing we all need is a guns situation.
 

SneekyNinja

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We need to talk about mental health. Talk about anything, just leave those poor, innocent guns out of it.
Mental health and guns are a closely related topic since the vast majority of suicides are by gun.

And lets face it, if you slit your wrists or hang yourself or something you've loads of chances to back out. With a gun it's pretty much just over instantly, no chance for reconsidering.
 

Fogdog

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Mental health and guns are a closely related topic since the vast majority of suicides are by gun.

And lets face it, if you slit your wrists or hang yourself or something you've loads of chances to back out. With a gun it's pretty much just over instantly, no chance for reconsidering.
Guns don't kill people.
The problem is there is no way to keep guns out of the hands of people who are mentally ill. 2nd Amendment protects their rights.
Besides more people are killed in traffic accidents.

In any case, I'm all for gun owners using them to kill themselves.
 

Unclebaldrick

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Mental health and guns are a closely related topic since the vast majority of suicides are by gun.

And lets face it, if you slit your wrists or hang yourself or something you've loads of chances to back out. With a gun it's pretty much just over instantly, no chance for reconsidering.
I'm just glad that the person who walked into a church with a high-powered-tricked-out-bad-bitch of a rifle wasn't sane because then it would be a guns situation and we might have to actually talk about it.

You might be right that the two things are interrelated but we will never know. The founding fathers specifically forbid us from studying that.
 

Unclebaldrick

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Guns don't kill people.
The problem is there is no way to keep guns out of the hands of people who are mentally ill. 2nd Amendment protects their rights.
Besides more people are killed in traffic accidents.

In any case, I'm all for gun owners using them to kill themselves.
Thankfully we are not precluded from studying traffic fatalities and we can, and have, taken very large steps to bring the numbers down.
 

Fogdog

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I'm just glad that the person who walked into a church with a high-powered-tricked-out-bad-bitch of a rifle wasn't sane because then it would be a guns situation and we might have to actually talk about it.

You might be right that the two things are interrelated but we will never know. The founding fathers specifically forbid us from studying that.
There was nothing unusual about the AR-15 rifle except for the military style appearance and the laser siting and the anti-reflective coating and the short stock and the max clip and the color and the appearance.. Gun experts prefer to call the weapon a MSR or Modern Sporting Rifle. It was really just an average kind of rifle that sporting men use everyday to all at once kill and mince their game.
 
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abandonconflict

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One of the sad parts is that he wasn't prohibited from gun ownership by the Lautenberg amendment because of the definition of conviction. Had his discharge been a full dishonorable or had he been convicted by civilian authorities, he would have been banned from owning a firearm. It is the Lautenberg amendment that the UCMJ cites as the reason why domestic violence should result in removal from the military yet the Air Force managed to shit this guy out in a way that still allowed him to gun down a church.

:clap: The commissioned shitstains who handled his court martial did a great job protecting that congregation.
 

Singlemalt

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One of the sad parts is that he wasn't prohibited from gun ownership by the Lautenberg amendment because of the definition of conviction. Had his discharge been a full dishonorable or had he been convicted by civilian authorities, he would have been banned from owning a firearm. It is the Lautenberg amendment that the UCMJ cites as the reason why domestic violence should result in removal from the military yet the Air Force managed to shit this guy out in a way that still allowed him to gun down a church.

:clap: The commissioned shitstains who handled his court martial did a great job protecting that congregation.
Air Force Error Allowed Texas Gunman to Buy Weapons

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/06/us/texas-shooting-church.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/06/us/texas-shooting-church.html
.............The conviction of the gunman, Devin P. Kelley, for domestic assault on his wife and infant stepson — he had cracked the child’s skull — should have stopped Mr. Kelley from legally purchasing the military-style rifle and three other guns he bought in the last four years. But that information was never entered by the Air Force into the federal database for background checks on gun purchasers, the service said..............

"Clerical error"... We fucked up
 

Singlemalt

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Read the article, it supports the two major operatives I learned first in the Army, then in later life whenever I worked in anything funded by gov't money:
1) Never enough time to do the job right, but always time to do it over
2) Close enough for Gov't work

Anyway, the AF is now going to review all less than "General" discharges to see if they fucked up elsewhere:
"“The service will also conduct a comprehensive review of Air Force databases to ensure records in other cases have been reported correctly,” the statement said."
 

Fogdog

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Damn guys this is too soon. Lets talk about something else.
So what you guys do yesterday ?
I cleared out the tomato vines from my vegetable beds and seeded the bed with fava beans for a winter cover crop. The green tomatoes went to a neighbor who told us they like fried green tomatoes. My wife doesn't care for them. I've never had them so I don't know what I'm missing. You ever try them?

I'm going to miss fresh tomatoes. It's usually end of July before they start producing.

I weeded the brussels sprouts and chard, picked the last of the green beans and made tomato-green bean saute for dinner. A couple of grilled pork chops, apple sauce made from apples I picked from my trees a few weeks ago and Pasta Aglio e Olio (pronounced - ayeolio)
rounded out the fare.
 
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Singlemalt

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I cleared out the tomato vines from my vegetable beds and seeded the bed with fava beans for a winter cover crop. The green tomatoes went to a neighbor who told us they like fried green tomatoes. My wife doesn't care for them. I've never had them so I don't know what I'm missing. You ever try them?

I'm going to miss fresh tomatoes. It's usually end of July before they start producing.

I weeded the brussels sprouts and chard, picked the last of the green beans and made tomato-green bean saute for dinner. A couple of grilled pork chops, apple sauce made from apples I picked from my trees a few weeks ago and Pasta Aglio e Olio (pronounced - ayeolio)
rounded out the fare.
RE: Fried green tomatoes. They are OK, nothing special IMO, batter them and fry them, Just a substrate for a good batter
 
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