You are asking literal white devils to show shame? The same people who condemn gays but cruise every bathroom east and west of the Mississippi? The same people who condemn abortion but ask their lovers to get one. The same people who push through opiods and refuse to regulate them but outlaw marijuana. The party that wont condemn their own racist, rapist, warmongering President
You see this commercial?
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UncleBuck
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you're a jew hating idiot and you suck at growing. everyone on this site is laughing at you.
PetFlora
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I hope we can ALL agree on this embarrassing move. WTF Trump. Just who were you addressing hen you sid you would make mericaa great again? The already rich and apparently unconscious pharmaceutical, pesticide /insecticide and gmo billionaires, or is it trillions? They would still make trillions if we had a Dept of Agriculture that was by, for, and of the people
'Farmers Know'
A Vermont organic dairy farmer recently wrote an op-ed in which he defended conventional (non-organic) dairy farmers.
Vermonter Jacques Couture wrote that he was “a little perplexed” by the “current demand by some vocal Vermonters” that all dairy farmers convert to organic. There’s room for both organic and non-organic, he said.
Couture didn’t specifically mention the consumer campaign asking Ben & Jerry’s to source 100% organic dairy. Nor did he name the nonprofits—Regeneration Vermont and the Organic Consumers Association—behind the campaign.
Did Ben & Jerry’s put Couture up to writing the op-ed? Is the Unilever-owned ice cream maker paving the way for a future announcement that its conventional dairy suppliers will soon start using better farming practices (but not go organic)?
We can only speculate.
But we don’t have to speculate about this: Couture’s opinion piece was missing more than just the details behind the story. It missed the point. Which is this: Conventional dairy, which relies on Monsanto’s Roundup Ready GMO crops, is poisoning Vermont’s water, degrading Vermont’s soil and contributing to global warming.
And yes, the glyphosate we found in Ben & Jerry’s ice cream is a health problem.
Read 'Farming with Pesticides Is Not the Path Toward ‘One Sweet World’'
'Farmers Know'
A Vermont organic dairy farmer recently wrote an op-ed in which he defended conventional (non-organic) dairy farmers.
Vermonter Jacques Couture wrote that he was “a little perplexed” by the “current demand by some vocal Vermonters” that all dairy farmers convert to organic. There’s room for both organic and non-organic, he said.
Couture didn’t specifically mention the consumer campaign asking Ben & Jerry’s to source 100% organic dairy. Nor did he name the nonprofits—Regeneration Vermont and the Organic Consumers Association—behind the campaign.
Did Ben & Jerry’s put Couture up to writing the op-ed? Is the Unilever-owned ice cream maker paving the way for a future announcement that its conventional dairy suppliers will soon start using better farming practices (but not go organic)?
We can only speculate.
But we don’t have to speculate about this: Couture’s opinion piece was missing more than just the details behind the story. It missed the point. Which is this: Conventional dairy, which relies on Monsanto’s Roundup Ready GMO crops, is poisoning Vermont’s water, degrading Vermont’s soil and contributing to global warming.
And yes, the glyphosate we found in Ben & Jerry’s ice cream is a health problem.
Read 'Farming with Pesticides Is Not the Path Toward ‘One Sweet World’'
PetFlora
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you're usually more creative. I must have hit a nerve
and I can't imagine a candidate I would vote for at this point. It's quite clear to that the game is rigged. No mater who winds, they win
Fogdog
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Conventional farming isn't the problem, GMO herbicide resistant technology is. Also unsafe practices by conventional farmers that allow the majority of nutrients applied to the field to leach into the water supply.
Organic is what I practice in my garden but conventional works too, just not the practices used in conventional farming today.
Something to consider is the harmful effect we have when we put price as the main factor in food purchases. That's a huge driver in farming practices.
SneekyNinja
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GMO plants aren't the problem, it's the companies that own the patents to them and farmers trying to "factory produce" foodstuffs.
Saying GMO crops are harmful is an unscientific as saying vaccines cause autism or that the moon landings were faked...
Don't take this as an attack (because I'm quite impolite when attacking as you've probably noticed) but I cannot disagree more about your assessment of GMO's.
UncleBuck
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they knew what they signed up for
SneekyNinja
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But it still hurts...
ttystikk
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Yes. Them. So the whole world can see them for who they are.
Fogdog
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I'm not taking this as an attack. I see the round up ready GMO type of tech as a threat to our environment. We already have glyphosphate resistant weeds taking over fields and farmers are switching to dicamba resistant GMO crops. Dicamba is truly harmful to the environment.
Farmers aren't following non-chemical best practices such as crop rotation, they just spray and if the weeds aren't suppressed they spray more. The next year, they repeat. Within just 14 years we created roundup resistant weeds. I'm not an alarmist but what I've read about Dicamba we are at risk of wiping out biological diversity in our agricultural areas.
Then there is BT-resistant corn. Within a decade or so, BT resistant pests will become prevalent, wiping out one of the few effective biological controls that organic farmers have available. This is just how evolution works.
I never said anything about food safety. While I'm not convinced BT corn is safe based upon the types of trials that were made I also haven't seen anything very convincing from the other side. There is also risk to butterflies that inevitably do ingest BT corn pollen. Again, I've read the studies and the risk seems manageable from lab studies and small field trials but am not convinced that the tests were adequate to assess risk in the field.
Glyphosphate has been linked to cancer but that's the farmer's problem so long as he avoids contaminating his neighbors. Dicamba, on the other hand is impossible to prevent from drifting and it's already been identified as affecting 3 million acres of adjacent land due to drift this year. The tech is only a couple of years old. Next year will be more.
SneekyNinja
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Why didn't you just say Monsanto products instead of GMO's then? Lol
Fogdog
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Because I didn't?
It doesn't matter to me which company uses the tech, GMO herbicide resistant crops combined with widespread used of herbicides is evil.
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ttystikk
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Seeds dipped in neonicatinoids have been shown to be responsible for colony collapse syndrome in honeybees, and presumably many other insect species as well.
Scientists are recording a dramatic decline in the overall number and species of insects worldwide in places where all of these pesticides are being used.
I believe we're destroying the foundation of Earth's ecological foodweb and hastening the collapse of the entire food chain.
Fogdog
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I had heard of neonics when used to spray crops was a culprit. Dipping seeds in it, this is the first I've heard that being implicated. From what I''ve read, colony collapse syndrome is a combination of factors but includes the very small dosage that doesn't kill the bees but affects their nervous system.
I leave about a half acre to go to wildflowers and get a good sense of how wild bees are doing from sitting and watching. Three years ago, one summer day the meadow was live with bees and buzzing. The next day, it was dead silent and stayed that way for the season. This year, not so bad. I see fewer of the really big bumblebees, though.
Dicamba is a new issue that we'll hear more about as it becomes more mainstream. Monsanto claims it's safe if used properly but others say no way that 3 million acres were affected by farmers using the wrong spray nozzle. In an experiment, one field agent took blocks of soil from a sprayed field and moved them into an unsprayed field. Dicamba outgassed from the soil and killed nearby plants. The problem with Dicamba is it goes into a vapor after being sprayed and can drift for miles. A beekeeper who lives in the area had to move his hives because there was no longer enough wildflowers to feed his bees. He was concerned the loss of flowers and wild plants was going to wipe out the whole ecosystem that depends on them.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2017/10/07/555872494/a-wayward-weed-killer-divides-farm-communities-harms-wildlife
It's a mess for sure.
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Fogdog
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That's really spooky. A real horror show, isn't it?
I'm wondering how this has gotten past scientists. Maybe it's only here in this city.
Yes but you're moronic ass has already done the damage.
Fogdog
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If there has been a sudden die-off of insects in your area, somebody has observed it. The cause might never be found. We know very little about these kinds of things. Bugs don't buy refrigerators or cars and have no advocates other than a couple of ag extension agents in your area and professors in the local college. I'm willing to bet that somebody has observed what you describe. They see all sorts of things that they can't explain. The working environment in Trump's administration would be hostile to any news of this sort even with thorough study behind it.
Honeybees have an advocate in the ag industry because they are so important to so many crops. A decade or so after neonics were identified as detrimental to bees, farmers and beekeepers who depend on honeybees and honeybee pollination are still fighting with chemical companies to get neonicitoids off the market. Europe has already banned their use but not in the US. Around the beginning of the previous century, honeybees weren't needed because wild bees were plentiful. Their population crashed in the middle part of the century when so-called conventional farming took hold. Now, honeybees are having a hard go of it.
Still, life has ways of bouncing back, I'm willing to bet everything will be back to normal next year for you.
ttystikk
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I heard about this on NPR.