Eye Hortilux DE/LED hybrid system

Adding mono blues w DE bulb? only thing that comes to mind....as mfg'rs constantly suggest some mh bulbs in between dE for commercial ops.

I remember a Chinese company sticking a 250w hps bulb surrounded by mono pucks in their fixture, massive failure rates from the heat load; surprise!/s

well, will see soon what horti is up to.........still no ceramic hps release, might as well just drop it
 
CobKits said:
i think psu is on the money

HID will do the heavy lifting

LEDs to supplement spectrum
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From what I'm seeing in the industry I think investing in led is the future. I'm not so sure about HID. In greenhouse supplementation it still is relevant but indoors as a primary light source I'm not so sure. Outside of cost(which the gap is closing at a staggering rate) what benefit does HID(DE HPS) have over a well planned out white based led?
 
hortilux name recognition and market share seem to be the play. theyre hitched to that market and need to ride it out

i know we are biased but you know its already there, it just doesnt make sense to recommend HID for new installs for all but the most cash-strapped of startups. i guess the only thing HID stil has going for new installs is its a good band-aid to wait out the LED price drop, but the benefit thats probably starting to dimininsh on an ROI basis

when you combine these three trends its inevitable:
1. LED cost is falling substantially faster than HID. with economics of scale it could become cheaper per watt at some point (it might be already if you are shooting for HPS-levels of efficiency and run cobs at their limit of current)

2. LED efficacy is improving year over year, DE has made no major advances since it hit the scene. even if iefficiacy increases level off to 1-2%/year thats a gain. more importantly, see #1. year over year "efficacy per dollar" is increasing double-digit percentages because apart from the chip level advances, people simply can use more chips at lower currents to meet their efficacy targets

3. expertise with LEDs is currently growing exponentially. we have 40+ years of HID data under our belt but we are just scratching the surface of integrating the spectra of our ever-changing leds. for years all of the LED data we had was focused on blurples but relatively were just getting going on phosphor whites with all the colortemp/cri options as well as augmenting them with monos
 
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Stephenj37826 said:
Here's the link. Share your thoughts on whether you think it's a waste of time or do you think it could actually make sense.

http://eyehortilux.com/mjbizcon/

We will all know more in the coming weeks.
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They should have spent more on their promo video.

Successful commercial facilities are using 315W or 630W CMH lighting, which nearly matches DE HPS efficiency on paper and produces much more per watt and the quality is better. Commercial facilities that want a cost effective stepping stone towards LED can and should be using them.

This is a desperate attempt to keep HPS relevant and those amortised production lines running for as long as possible.

I'm still surprised they aren't showing off any all LED fixtures. It's been years- WTF are they waiting for?
 
CobKits said:
hortilux name recognition and market share seem to be the play. theyre hitched to that market and need to ride it out
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and sell off mass quantities of merchandise

CobKits said:
i guess the only thing HID stil has going for new installs is its a good band-aid to wait out the LED price drop, but the benefit thats probably starting to dimininsh on an ROI basis
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that was and is my situation. i have two 2x4 tents ready when the new car smell fades and it becomes realistic... quite curious, but leds are like cucumbers... o.O


CobKits said:
expertise with LEDs is currently growing exponentially. we have 40+ years of HID data under our belt but we are just scratching the surface of integrating the spectra of our ever-changing leds. for years all of the LED data we had was focused on blurples but relatively were just getting going on phosphor whites with all the colortemp/cri options as well as augmenting them with monos
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watching and waiting, but not ready to dive in. like anything else, they'll get smaller, better, cheaper, and more user friendly. i'm excited about the possibilities and hope you all keep up the forward momentum :)
 
Bulbs still make sense to a lot of people because they are a user-serviceable format -meaning the user can screw in a new bulb when the time comes. LED, on the there hand, still requires a level of understanding that goes beyond screwing in a lightbulb. That and the up-front expense to get a good LED fixture are two things that keep people from converting.

Another thing that comes to mind is that bulbs can be purchased in different spectrums. If a new bulb comes out that is in a color that a grower prefers, it can screw into an existing fixture and that's that....done deal. So, those people are basically buying into a format that doesn't alienate them.

Maybe there's more people out there, like me, who watch new LED stuff coming out, get excited about it, get the wallet out to buy into it.....aaaannnnd then something new and better comes along the very next month! ;) I'm really in a holding pattern at the moment to see which new technology will be the "cream" that rises to the surface. Seems like there's at least three, distinct schools, now: The HID bulb guys, The LED COB guys and the Samsung chip guys....and now the new "hybrid" technology! I'm sure they'd all work well in the right hands. So...What's it gonna be? One? All?
 
I actually ran this system back in 2015. I had a mix of cobs, and 1000k SE HPS XXXL raptor hoods.

I was still using the greentrees, cause the heat makes you go though water fast.

anyways, I didn't see much change in yield/quality. TBH: I would just run DE's; I still think DE's are the best for anything more then 10x10sf canopy.

when I changed to LED/CMH I thought I found a nice combo. IMHO, if you want pretty flowers a CMH will bring out color, dunno why it just has for me.


don't bulbs have the EPA deal expiring too, hazardous waste disposal fee due a purchase. its like $13 bucks. CA will like rape you for like $30 lol.

google it, ends this year. its for all gas(HID(FL)) type bulbs.



one more thing, find some magnetic ballasts, everyone is looking for them right now, bet tthey start making them again.
 
There are plenty of people who still think LEDs, and CMH for that matter, produce fluffy buds and cant penetrate. Go to reddit for example and try to tell them to use cobs. Most recent post I tried to lead someone to them I was an idiot, blurples rule and growmou5 has 4 videos and knows nothing.


( i just watched that video they posted! hahaha holy shit)
 
Tell my poor grinder how fluffy the buds get under my Quantums lol. LED tech in growing is the future just like vapeing is to cumbustion. Mixed spectrums I think Chilled LED is in the right direction but mixing incodessent HID with LED ?
 
Another "problem" with LED technology is that manufacturers who put out specific models of fixtures that are tied to a specific type of technology (like, say, a fixture with a housing that is made to fit 6 CXB 3590s, for example)....a year after they come to market, no one wants them! And another year after that, they are completely obsolete because there is a new chip or a new COB or a new driver that's even more efficient. Anyone remember Area 51 upgrade kits? LMFAO! That's what seems to happen to most of the "dedicated" fixtures. Unless the user can upgrade technology as technology advances, buyers are going to hesitate to commit to a design.

Unless the really good LEDs can get down to the same prices as all the shitty Chinese lights, people will continue to buy the shit, allow it to break and then buy more shit to replace it. That formula dominates the LED grow light scene and has for years. This forum and this particular section of this forum is a tiny, tiny microsphere of people who "know better", but the greater portion of the market isn't us!
 
tstick said:
Another "problem" with LED technology is that manufacturers who put out specific models of fixtures that are tied to a specific type of technology (like, say, a fixture with a housing that is made to fit 6 CXB 3590s, for example)....a year after they come to market, no one wants them! And another year after that, they are completely obsolete because there is a new chip or a new COB or a new driver that's even more efficient. Anyone remember Area 51 upgrade kits? LMFAO! That's what seems to happen to most of the "dedicated" fixtures. Unless the user can upgrade technology as technology advances, buyers are going to hesitate to commit to a design.

Unless the really good LEDs can get down to the same prices as all the shitty Chinese lights, people will continue to buy the shit, allow it to break and then buy more shit to replace it. That formula dominates the LED grow light scene and has for years. This forum and this particular section of this forum is a tiny, tiny microsphere of people who "know better", but the greater portion of the market isn't us!
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The improvements are such as in a CPU; I’m still using a intel 2500k if you draw the line to its newest equivalent it’s not much slower. So with a new GPU I’m able to still use it.

The parallel is I’m still using CXB’s with newer QB’s. I’m sure all things being euqal they would be in acceptable margins.


You don’t need the latest-n-greatest; you need Good proper lighting that’s it.

I would say most lights now exceed people skill anyway. Like a car can be better then you are a driver.
 
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