Canadian plant restrictions coming.

GroErr

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Yep, that's what I be doing. its what I'll continue to do also. I think what they are going to try doing is having a bunch of "inspectors" coming around issuing tickets for infractions. Ie height more than 100cm, etc.
That's the thing, inspectors would not be needed, nor practical if everyone is allowed to grow. Remember this is for personal use, not like a production facility selling into medical or recreational markets. Those are the one's they should be concentrating on regulating as it's been shown already that they (LP's) can't regulate themselves.

They talk about legalization, they talk about declassifying it, but it's all talk while they continue to treat it as a dangerous class 1 drug. That evil weed mentality is still prevalent and will continue for a long time. Some provinces/municipalities will go to the extreme and try to control it, they'll ask for more funding to support make-work programs (inspectors) that we will end up paying for. Over regulation will drive prices so high it will feed the black market they're supposedly trying to kill.

If you took out the evil weed mentality, looked at it logically and truly legalized production for personal use, they'd regulate it like they do tobacco or alcohol, both much worse for your health than weed. I don't know of any inspections, height limits, special impaired driving regulations or any of the other stupid "issues" that are MJ specific if producing your own beer, wine or tobacco.
 

OldMedUser

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Yep, that's what I be doing. its what I'll continue to do also. I think what they are going to try doing is having a bunch of "inspectors" coming around issuing tickets for infractions. Ie height more than 100cm, etc.
You basically are subject to inspection if you get you medical permit to grow and I haven't heard of anyone having Hellth Canada come a-knocking to check out their grows. Plenty having the cops at the door because of a neighbour's complaint or a domestic dispute then hopefully the cops contact HC and get confirmation that the grow is legal then GTFO of your house.

Different municipalities have tried to halt home growing using their own bylaws. Maple Ridge in BC used higher than normal power bills to force home inspections and it was often that people had just installed something that used a lot of power like a hot tub or pottery kiln. Then they were billing people over $5000 for the privilege of having their privacy invaded for doing nothing wrong. That got shot down and I believe there is an on-going class action lawsuit pending against the city. I think they found one grow out of the hundred or so "inspections" they did and it was a legal grow. Not sure what happened with that.

:peace:
 

GroErr

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You basically are subject to inspection if you get you medical permit to grow and I haven't heard of anyone having Hellth Canada come a-knocking to check out their grows. Plenty having the cops at the door because of a neighbour's complaint or a domestic dispute then hopefully the cops contact HC and get confirmation that the grow is legal then GTFO of your house.

Different municipalities have tried to halt home growing using their own bylaws. Maple Ridge in BC used higher than normal power bills to force home inspections and it was often that people had just installed something that used a lot of power like a hot tub or pottery kiln. Then they were billing people over $5000 for the privilege of having their privacy invaded for doing nothing wrong. That got shot down and I believe there is an on-going class action lawsuit pending against the city. I think they found one grow out of the hundred or so "inspections" they did and it was a legal grow. Not sure what happened with that.

:peace:
Yeah that's what it'll come down to, provincial or municipal inspection programs and how idiotic they go. Only thing that would force my hand to register would be the power bill angle, even then I'd probably be under the radar with my bills as I'm all LED. They deserve a class action suit if they try those inspections based on power usage. Welcome to prohibition V 2.0.
 

GroErr

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Keep in mind that the original 100cm limit was at the federal level and that's where it was removed. That could change, at least temporarily until it's challenged in the courts at the provincial level. Ontario hasn't announced anything for home grows but Alberta has already announced that they will be somehow applying a height limit provincially, not only that, they won't allow outdoor grows, only indoor. They somehow think that they can manage that???

https://www.alberta.ca/cannabis-framework.aspx#p6241s5
 

DigitalTorture

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As far as I know, Ontario is not going to allow home grows at all. Also, it wouldn't be enforceable anyways being as you would need a warrant to enter a premise or property. Imagine what a judge would say if the cops wanted a warrant because someone has a plant that was 110cm. That and it would have only been a fine anyways.
 

TacoMac

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As an American, I'd like to weigh in on this. Let me go back to the OP for just a moment:

Canada, 4 plant count with 100cm height restriction.
You're (Canadian Government) riding a VERY slippery slope on this for more than one reason.
  1. It's nearly impossible to police.
  2. It adds to a problem of policing, not simplifies it.
  3. It effects some growers, but not others.
This legislation was obviously written by somebody that has absolutely NO IDEA what they're doing. Some strains grow taller than others naturally, but net the same yields. Some strains are engineered to grow smaller, but net the same yields.

What they're trying to do is regulate how much you can grow. But this is the wrong way to go about doing it. Completely. It will be nearly impossible to justify. To wit:

What if a guy with 4 plants he scrogs and crops nets 8 ounces per plant for a total of 32 ounces and he never gets ovder the 39 inch (100cm) height. How is it that is legal but a guy that has just one plant that hits 43 inches (109cm) and nets only 6.5 ounces isn't?

What are you actually saving? What purpose does that law serve?

It's more nickel and dime bullshit that in the grand scheme of things solves nothing at all. Either you're going to let people grow plants or you are not. It's really that simple and you can't make it any more complex than that or it's simply impossible to police it.

The more complex you make a law the more impossible it becomes to police it. If you want to control yields, then you have to limit not only the number of plants, but the way in which they are grown. Even then, you're still not going to accomplish what you want.

At the end of the day, it's either legal or it isn't. Restrictions are just going to be circumvented at least and completely bypassed at most.

Tell folks they can have two plants and that's it and let it ride. Or 3. Or whatever...but the rest is just pure bullshit.
 

DigitalTorture

Well-Known Member
As an American, I'd like to weigh in on this. Let me go back to the OP for just a moment:



You're (Canadian Government) riding a VERY slippery slope on this for more than one reason.
  1. It's nearly impossible to police.
  2. It adds to a problem of policing, not simplifies it.
  3. It effects some growers, but not others.
This legislation was obviously written by somebody that has absolutely NO IDEA what they're doing. Some strains grow taller than others naturally, but net the same yields. Some strains are engineered to grow smaller, but net the same yields.

What they're trying to do is regulate how much you can grow. But this is the wrong way to go about doing it. Completely. It will be nearly impossible to justify. To wit:

What if a guy with 4 plants he scrogs and crops nets 8 ounces per plant for a total of 32 ounces and he never gets ovder the 39 inch (100cm) height. How is it that is legal but a guy that has just one plant that hits 43 inches (109cm) and nets only 6.5 ounces isn't?

What are you actually saving? What purpose does that law serve?

It's more nickel and dime bullshit that in the grand scheme of things solves nothing at all. Either you're going to let people grow plants or you are not. It's really that simple and you can't make it any more complex than that or it's simply impossible to police it.

The more complex you make a law the more impossible it becomes to police it. If you want to control yields, then you have to limit not only the number of plants, but the way in which they are grown. Even then, you're still not going to accomplish what you want.

At the end of the day, it's either legal or it isn't. Restrictions are just going to be circumvented at least and completely bypassed at most.

Tell folks they can have two plants and that's it and let it ride. Or 3. Or whatever...but the rest is just pure bullshit.
Yeah, they scraped the height restriction a couple weeks ago. So just 4 plants, unless your province said differently. I'm in Manitoba and it looks like we are going full throttle with everything. They are even going to allow private sales.
 

GroErr

Well-Known Member
As an American, I'd like to weigh in on this. Let me go back to the OP for just a moment:



You're (Canadian Government) riding a VERY slippery slope on this for more than one reason.
  1. It's nearly impossible to police.
  2. It adds to a problem of policing, not simplifies it.
  3. It effects some growers, but not others.
This legislation was obviously written by somebody that has absolutely NO IDEA what they're doing. Some strains grow taller than others naturally, but net the same yields. Some strains are engineered to grow smaller, but net the same yields.

What they're trying to do is regulate how much you can grow. But this is the wrong way to go about doing it. Completely. It will be nearly impossible to justify. To wit:

What if a guy with 4 plants he scrogs and crops nets 8 ounces per plant for a total of 32 ounces and he never gets ovder the 39 inch (100cm) height. How is it that is legal but a guy that has just one plant that hits 43 inches (109cm) and nets only 6.5 ounces isn't?

What are you actually saving? What purpose does that law serve?

It's more nickel and dime bullshit that in the grand scheme of things solves nothing at all. Either you're going to let people grow plants or you are not. It's really that simple and you can't make it any more complex than that or it's simply impossible to police it.

The more complex you make a law the more impossible it becomes to police it. If you want to control yields, then you have to limit not only the number of plants, but the way in which they are grown. Even then, you're still not going to accomplish what you want.

At the end of the day, it's either legal or it isn't. Restrictions are just going to be circumvented at least and completely bypassed at most.

Tell folks they can have two plants and that's it and let it ride. Or 3. Or whatever...but the rest is just pure bullshit.
Yeah, you're preaching to the converted, it's ridiculous, unmanageable, and most importantly, unnecessary. Besides, many of the bull-shit restrictions are unconstitutional and will be immediately challenged in the courts. That's why we're calling it prohibition 2.0, not legalization.
 

kkt3

Well-Known Member
Should we really expect anything less from governments, then to fuck things up!! Hopefully they will pull their heads outta their asses. I know, wishful thinking!!
 

Budley Doright

Well-Known Member
As an American, I'd like to weigh in on this. Let me go back to the OP for just a moment:



You're (Canadian Government) riding a VERY slippery slope on this for more than one reason.
  1. It's nearly impossible to police.
  2. It adds to a problem of policing, not simplifies it.
  3. It effects some growers, but not others.
This legislation was obviously written by somebody that has absolutely NO IDEA what they're doing. Some strains grow taller than others naturally, but net the same yields. Some strains are engineered to grow smaller, but net the same yields.

What they're trying to do is regulate how much you can grow. But this is the wrong way to go about doing it. Completely. It will be nearly impossible to justify. To wit:

What if a guy with 4 plants he scrogs and crops nets 8 ounces per plant for a total of 32 ounces and he never gets ovder the 39 inch (100cm) height. How is it that is legal but a guy that has just one plant that hits 43 inches (109cm) and nets only 6.5 ounces isn't?

What are you actually saving? What purpose does that law serve?

It's more nickel and dime bullshit that in the grand scheme of things solves nothing at all. Either you're going to let people grow plants or you are not. It's really that simple and you can't make it any more complex than that or it's simply impossible to police it.

The more complex you make a law the more impossible it becomes to police it. If you want to control yields, then you have to limit not only the number of plants, but the way in which they are grown. Even then, you're still not going to accomplish what you want.

At the end of the day, it's either legal or it isn't. Restrictions are just going to be circumvented at least and completely bypassed at most.

Tell folks they can have two plants and that's it and let it ride. Or 3. Or whatever...but the rest is just pure bullshit.
And you thought our government was smart right lol. This is going to be just a bunch of bullshit. Ontario is quoting $10 a gram ..... thank you, I will now come out of retirement ;).
 

DigitalTorture

Well-Known Member
And you thought our government was smart right lol. This is going to be just a bunch of bullshit. Ontario is quoting $10 a gram ..... thank you, I will now come out of retirement ;).
Ikr?! I'm not in retirement, but a guy is gonna make a killing if the government thinks they are going to charge that much. I was thinking like MAYBE 5 dollars a gram for top shelf stuff.
 

Budley Doright

Well-Known Member
Well I'm retired and glad for it, although I do miss some things ;). I'm watching these bumbling assholes make it a giant twat stain of a mess. The Indian dispensaries are selling pretty good smoke, hit and miss, but for the most part not bad for $50 a quarter and no one's gonna hit the res and shut em down so there's a fail right there lol. The growers are down to 1600- 1500 a pound and lower for quantity so yup a giant fail. $10 a gram ..... lol. Once an outlaw....always an outlaw ;).
 

Lightgreen2k

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If you are scared goto church. MANY Ways of going around sed laws.

First there is a medical program that is way better then "legal growing coming in the next few months". None of these hight restrictions. At only 3 grams script you are allowed 15 plants and 4 grams 20 plants..

2) Just grow and DONT SHOW OR TELL. What you think cannabis has only be growing legally for the past how many years.

This topic is a JOKE. Get a pair of BALLS or Med Script if you dont want to "get in trouble or court or whatever"...

As an American, I'd like to weigh in on this. Let me go back to the OP for just a moment:



You're (Canadian Government) riding a VERY slippery slope on this for more than one reason.
  1. It's nearly impossible to police.
  2. It adds to a problem of policing, not simplifies it.
  3. It effects some growers, but not others.
This legislation was obviously written by somebody that has absolutely NO IDEA what they're doing. Some strains grow taller than others naturally, but net the same yields. Some strains are engineered to grow smaller, but net the same yields.

What they're trying to do is regulate how much you can grow. But this is the wrong way to go about doing it. Completely. It will be nearly impossible to justify. To wit:

What if a guy with 4 plants he scrogs and crops nets 8 ounces per plant for a total of 32 ounces and he never gets ovder the 39 inch (100cm) height. How is it that is legal but a guy that has just one plant that hits 43 inches (109cm) and nets only 6.5 ounces isn't?

What are you actually saving? What purpose does that law serve?

It's more nickel and dime bullshit that in the grand scheme of things solves nothing at all. Either you're going to let people grow plants or you are not. It's really that simple and you can't make it any more complex than that or it's simply impossible to police it.

The more complex you make a law the more impossible it becomes to police it. If you want to control yields, then you have to limit not only the number of plants, but the way in which they are grown. Even then, you're still not going to accomplish what you want.

At the end of the day, it's either legal or it isn't. Restrictions are just going to be circumvented at least and completely bypassed at most.

Tell folks they can have two plants and that's it and let it ride. Or 3. Or whatever...but the rest is just pure bullshit.
 
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