Wow this thread has run the course hasn't it, it would be funny but for the 12 year old consent thing ..... what the fuck (pardon the pun) is that, Jesus. That's just a very fucked up argument to try and defend, the age of consent varies around the world not based on science but on values, traditions, and sadly economics. In some cultures women are a burden to be unloaded as fast as possible, to put it crudely, when a girl bleeds she is ready to breed. This belief has led to the utter horror these girls face for the rest of their lives. How the hell can you justify your belief that a young child is able to form a coherent thought process that allows them to decide he/she is ready? It is the parents responsibility to instill values that help ground the child, yes making their own choices but this takes time, effort and a little luck to be successful. A child is not able to do this on their own and to argue that they are lends me to believe you are one of the worst types of parent. The parent that believes the child is capable of forming values on their own and consequences be damned. I see this every day when I see a 15-16 year old couple/single mom pushing their baby down the sidewalk, how the hell can you justify this, let alone an adult brought into the fold. Kids rely on adults to help them to build a foundation of trust and when an adult breaks this trust they are subjecting the child to a life of depravation and horror of untold proportions. You sir are the reason this shit carries in from generation to generation. I could go on and on and on but fuck just think about what your saying and how wrong it is ....... fuck!!!!!