40 plants, suggestions? :)

[CCCmints]

Degradation Smegradation, nobody is relamping like that. Even large rooms of SE HPS it is rare to find someone only doing single runs on batches of lamps. That is just not reality.

Led needs to still step up the spectrum game. I am hoping to see something that matches the Hortilux Blue MH hit the market with a bump in efficiency but still waiting.

The OP should look at those Hortilux Blue's or the blending of HPS and MH or Plasma if growing for quality. Could just follow the Gavita recommendation of 1
plasma : 1 hps and Kill it

That's just nonsense. Its a fact HPS bulbs degrade, as do LED bulbs, but which degrade quicker? There's an answer to that question bro, they're not the same. Who cares what large rooms run? Large rooms are usually backed by people with money who don't give a fuck about the details. If you think the guy behind a 50,000 squarefoot warehouse (a super tiny one) is the one who gives a shit about their lighting system you're crazy. And if you think the guy that knows fuck all about growing who just so happens to be funding the endeavor has even near the required awareness to consider an alternative lighting system then you're even crazier. I would never observe a seriously large-scale grow to determine what's best for the limits i'll initially be working within.

As for the spectrum game, maybe I just don't know enough about it yet; I'm still new to researching this deep into lighting. But common sense tells me I could easily replicate any spectrum HPS produces with COB LED and I'd also be able to utilize more than 1 bulb to mix the spectrum if I wish.

 

[OneHitDone]

Let's talk #'s - what's your recommended wattage for vegging with cobs?
Here is a single 600W Hortilux Blue MH in a raptor over 66"x44" (20.13sf). That's 31.79W sq ft if we exaggerate the total lighting draw at 640W.
What does cob have to offer as far as improvement with the exception of the lamp changes (which the lamp in this hood is 1 year old)??



It surely isn't going to be an improvement in spectrum:

Now if you want to change my impression on led spectrum deficiency, grab your best cob rig and hop on board with the thread below:
https://www.rollitup.org/t/all-cob-users-lettuce-grow-challenge.905662/

 

[CCCmints]

Let's talk #'s - what's your recommended wattage for vegging with cobs?
Here is a single 600W Hortilux Blue MH in a raptor over 66"x44" (20.13sf). That's 31.79W sq ft if we exaggerate the total lighting draw at 640W.
What does cob have to offer as far as improvement with the exception of the lamp changes (which the lamp in this hood is 1 year old)??

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It surely isn't going to be an improvement in spectrum:

Now if you want to change my impression on led spectrum deficiency, grab your best cob rig and hop on board with the thread below:
https://www.rollitup.org/t/all-cob-users-lettuce-grow-challenge.905662/

50% of light needed for flower during veg is what I've read. So that'd be roughly 365 watts but I'd probably start with 65% personally so 475.15. There's no difference in terms of light output/watt. I cannot grow right now. I'm not saying HID doesn't work, and that's what most of you guys seem to think I'm saying. I'm trying to post information on a lighting system that might be better...That's all. Thanks for the link, I'll bookmark that and participate once I build a light. I've already decided I'm building one before I can grow anyways.

As far as spectrum goes, you haven't even begun. You imply you just proved some type of point in favor of HPS regarding spectrum, but you haven't at all. You just posted a diagram showing a single, sharp spike in one tiny range of the spectral distribution...

 

[Evil-Mobo]

50% of light needed for flower during veg is what I've read. So that'd be roughly 365 watts but I'd probably start with 65% personally so 475.15. There's no difference in terms of light output/watt. I cannot grow right now. I'm not saying HID doesn't work, and that's what most of you guys seem to think I'm saying. I'm trying to post information on a lighting system that might be better...That's all. Thanks for the link, I'll bookmark that and participate once I build a light. I've already decided I'm building one before I can grow anyways.

As far as spectrum goes, you haven't even begun. You imply you just proved some type of point in favor of HPS regarding spectrum, but you haven't at all. You just posted a diagram showing a single, sharp spike in one tiny range of the spectral distribution...

So your recommendations to the OP are based on what then if you haven't even built an LED light yet let alone grown with one side by side with an HPS?

 

[OneHitDone]

As far as spectrum goes, you haven't even begun. You imply you just proved some type of point in favor of HPS regarding spectrum, but you haven't at all. You just posted a diagram showing a single, sharp spike in one tiny range of the spectral distribution...

That is not an HPS lamp, it is an "Enhanced Metal Halide"

 

[CCCmints]

So your recommendations to the OP are based on what then if you haven't even built an LED light yet let alone grown with one side by side with an HPS?

Science and math. I'm eager to do the comparisons for real, trust me. Just because I can't yet doesn't mean my posts are bullshit. It's kind of funny though because recommending HPS over LED without having done a side by side comparison (like myself) while also disregarding the science and math involved is what's strange to me. I admit I haven't gotten to test this in person yet. That doesn't mean the numbers are fake...Have the people bashing LED and praising HID done the research and built out an LED for a side by side comparison? Yeah, some of them have, and they grow with LED now.

That is not an HPS lamp, it is an "Enhanced Metal Halide"

Yeah, it was late last night so I mistyped but my point still stands. I know what it is. Again, what were you trying to say regarding spectrum comparison between HID lighting and LED by posting that picture? I think it's been made pretty clear LED is fairing better in the spectrum game.

 

[Evil-Mobo]

Science and math. I'm eager to do the comparisons for real, trust me. Just because I can't yet doesn't mean my posts are bullshit. It's kind of funny though because recommending HPS over LED without having done a side by side comparison (like myself) while also disregarding the science and math involved is what's strange to me. I admit I haven't gotten to test this in person yet. That doesn't mean the numbers are fake...Have the people bashing LED and praising HID done the research and built out an LED for a side by side comparison? Yeah, some of them have, and they grow with LED now.
Yeah, it was late last night so I mistyped but my point still stands. I know what it is. Again, what were you trying to say regarding spectrum comparison between HID lighting and LED by posting that picture? I think it's been made pretty clear LED is fairing better in the spectrum game.

I also know about these science and math things, the point I am trying to make is not everything is in real life as it is on paper. When you actually grow something you will find out. And here you go making another blanket statement again with no knowledge of what you speak. I really could care less what you say or think with no growing under your belt the issue I have is someone else might come along and take your inaccurate statements as actually having some fact to them when they don't. I have built LED's bought LED's, and grown with HPS. And right now my room is a mix of LED and HPS, however my favorite lights to date are the 600 watt Blue MH and Enhanced HPS from Hortilux.

Too many people like you regurgitating what you read here on the forum from another person who spoke not knowing what they were saying and the cycle continues until enough people actually start believing some of this garbage. People who compared LED's to cheap Ebay HID lights. Not many people comparing high end LED to high end HID and I have done that and continue to do it. So yeah in my mind you have no place giving someone such advice and making blanket statements about who grows with what when you have yet to grow anything or build a light man sorry.

The fact of the matter is that not every grow is the same and has different needs and there is no one size fits all statement. Sometimes HID is the better choice and sometimes LED is. There are too many variables. The other thing is which of the two you use if/when comparing high end gear on both sides makes less of a difference than people think. Having your environment dialed in will do much more for your grow than what type of light you use. There are guys on here that would shock you with what they could do just with T5's, because they know how to grow period, the lighting source is all personal preference at the end of the day and the guys that know how to grow well use whatever is of best benefit to the grow in front of them.

 

[CCCmints]

I also know about these science and math things, the point I am trying to make is not everything is in real life as it is on paper. When you actually grow something you will find out. And here you go making another blanket statement again with no knowledge of what you speak. I really could care less what you say or think with no growing under your belt the issue I have is someone else might come along and take your inaccurate statements as actually having some fact to them when they don't. I have built LED's bought LED's, and grown with HPS. And right now my room is a mix of LED and HPS, however my favorite lights to date are the 600 watt Blue MH and Enhanced HPS from Hortilux.

Too many people like you regurgitating what you read here on the forum from another person who spoke not knowing what they were saying and the cycle continues until enough people actually start believing some of this garbage. People who compared LED's to cheap Ebay HID lights. Not many people comparing high end LED to high end HID and I have done that and continue to do it. So yeah in my mind you have no place giving someone such advice and making blanket statements about who grows with what when you have yet to grow anything or build a light man sorry.

The fact of the matter is that not every grow is the same and has different needs and there is no one size fits all statement. Sometimes HID is the better choice and sometimes LED is. There are too many variables. The other thing is which of the two you use if/when comparing high end gear on both sides makes less of a difference than people think. Having your environment dialed in will do much more for your grow than what type of light you use. There are guys on here that would shock you with what they could do just with T5's, because they know how to grow period, the lighting source is all personal preference at the end of the day and the guys that know how to grow well use whatever is of best benefit to the grow in front of them.

Idk why you're throwing shade at me and assuming I haven't grown before when I literally have a grow documented on this website from years ago sitting in my signature, and have grown several times since then without documenting it on the internet. Go check out what I did with T5s in the first grow of my life years ago when I was 17 years old then come back and tell me I've never grown before and have no place offering growing advice...Respected dudes back then thought I did quite alright. I've grown with T5 and HPS. I've never grown with LED. I may not have grown for as long as you have and may not know as much as you do, but I'm passionate and dedicated and I love this...Passion tends to attract negative energy.

I don't appreciate your disrespect. Its not even acceptable where I come from. I'm not "regurgitating what you read here on the forum from another person", and my posts are not garbage. I've done a lot of research. I'm not just copy and pasting posts from various communities. I'm trying to learn and share what I've learned. Specifically point out where I've posted some garbage and I will gladly learn from it. You won't be able to, but I guess that's kind of my whole point, right?

I know not every grow is the same, and I know there are a lot of variables at play. I cannot comment on whether dialing in your environment is more important than the lighting system. Its like the "controller or xbox argument" - Which is worth more? One is cheaper but neither can function without the other. I'm of the opinion that the lighting system is not a simple aspect in the respect that it can be left solely to preference. But whatever...Send that disrespect another way bro its cool on the internet so I get it but I don't appreciate it. This coming from someone probably a lot younger than you.

 

[CCCmints]

Not many people comparing high end LED to high end HID and I have done that and continue to do it. So yeah in my mind you have no place giving someone such advice and making blanket statements about who grows with what when you have yet to grow anything or build a light man sorry.

How about you post your findings then? You compared high-end LED to high-end HID; what did you find? Your tests are irrelevant if you didn't document them properly and can't formulate a post to describe your findings. No one cares about some dude throwing shade at a youngin' trying to come up in this game. I'm the one in this thread posting some real shit, show me what you've got? What components did you use for the "high-end HID build", and exactly what did your "high-end LED build" look like. Side by side pictures of the plants at various stages in the cycle under both lighting systems? etc. etc. etc.

Or did you just grow with LED and HID then make a bunch of claims without doing anything to make that experiment worth observing? Hah. Let's see what you've got...Hope its good since you the one coming at me homie.

 

[Evil-Mobo]

Idk why you're throwing shade at me and assuming I haven't grown before when I literally have a grow documented on this website from years ago sitting in my signature, and have grown several times since then without documenting it on the internet. Go check out what I did with T5s in the first grow of my life years ago when I was 17 years old then come back and tell me I've never grown before and have no place offering growing advice...Respected dudes back then thought I did quite alright. I've grown with T5 and HPS. I've never grown with LED. I may not have grown for as long as you have and may not know as much as you do, but I'm passionate and dedicated and I love this...Passion tends to attract negative energy.

I don't appreciate your disrespect. Its not even acceptable where I come from. I'm not "regurgitating what you read here on the forum from another person", and my posts are not garbage. I've done a lot of research. I'm not just copy and pasting posts from various communities. I'm trying to learn and share what I've learned. Specifically point out where I've posted some garbage and I will gladly learn from it. You won't be able to, but I guess that's kind of my whole point, right?

I know not every grow is the same, and I know there are a lot of variables at play. I cannot comment on whether dialing in your environment is more important than the lighting system. Its like the "controller or xbox argument" - Which is worth more? One is cheaper but neither can function without the other. I'm of the opinion that the lighting system is not a simple aspect in the respect that it can be left solely to preference. But whatever...Send that disrespect another way bro its cool on the internet so I get it but I don't appreciate it. This coming from someone probably a lot younger than you.

You want to act like some tough guy fine with me lol. Have at it. I assure you anything I say on here I would have no qualms telling you in person. As for your signature didn't get that far because why would I bother when you're throwing info around about LED's with no basis? The confusing part on my end there is from this sentence on one of your previous post:
"Just because I can't yet doesn't mean my posts are bullshit." This would lead on to anyone reading that you have not grown, so my apologies there I screwed one thing up woo hoo call the cops lol. You still have done nothing with LED except read. This has nothing to do with a me vs you thing as you're trying to turn into, this about cutting out all this LED bullshit that continues on time and time again because folks who have read and not used them, we call you guys the data sheet Nazi's, so if you're going to get all butt hurt because I call you out on offering advice with a lighting technology you have yet to use then that's your own issue I'm not losing sleep over stating the obvious. You might have slept at a holiday inn express or whatever but as you yourself have stated you have not used LED, so how can you make any claims on whether it is better or worse than LED let alone come into someone's thread and offer advice on lights you have NEVER used? So if you take truth as disrespect then I guess I am being disrespectful, sorry man then don't go around talking shit about what you don't know "where I come from" that is unacceptable.

I already said my piece and just need the OP to see the context on where some of the advice is coming from, in your case stuff you "read"

 

[Evil-Mobo]

How about you post your findings then? You compared high-end LED to high-end HID; what did you find? Your tests are irrelevant if you didn't document them properly and can't formulate a post to describe your findings. No one cares about some dude throwing shade at a youngin' trying to come up in this game. I'm the one in this thread posting some real shit, show me what you've got? What components did you use for the "high-end HID build", and exactly what did your "high-end LED build" look like. Side by side pictures of the plants at various stages in the cycle under both lighting systems? etc. etc. etc.

Or did you just grow with LED and HID then make a bunch of claims without doing anything to make that experiment worth observing? Hah. Let's see what you've got...Hope its good since you the one coming at me homie.

what real shit have you posted? You already outed yourself as not having used LED you trying to back track now. You want to know my findings then I'll give you one of your own lines, "look at my signature" and I did tell you previously what my favorite lights to date are but since you only want to pick and choose shit for the sake of argument you left that out right? Coming at you homie? So now you're a gangster wanna be that reads about LED's and has never grown with them, a real tough guy huh LOL. Do your own fucking homework I'm not wasting my time educating someone with your closed minded-ness and ego a fucken thing about growing. People like you are the parasite of this forum and the LED section ranting on and on about how great something is without ever using it first hand lol.

 

[CCCmints]

You want to act like some tough guy no fine with me lol. Have at it. I assure you anything I say on here I would have no qualms telling you in person. As for your signature didn't get that far because why would I bother when you're throwing info around about LED's with no basis? The confusing part on my end there is from this sentence on one of your previous post:
"Just because I can't yet doesn't mean my posts are bullshit." This would lead on to anyone reading that you have not grown, so my apologies there I screwed one thing up woo hoo call the cops lol. You still have done nothing with LED except read. This has nothing to do with a me vs you thing as you're trying to turn into, this about cutting out all this LED bullshit that continues on time and time again because folks who have read and not used them, we call you guys the data sheet Nazi's, so if you're going to get all butt hurt because I call you out on offering advice with a lighting technology you have yet to use then that's your own issue I'm not losing sleep over stating the obvious. You might have slept at a holiday inn express opr whatever but as you yourself have stated you have not used LED, so how can you make any claims on whether it is better or worse than LED let alone come into someone's thread and offer advice on lights you have NEVER used? So if you take truth as disrespect then I guess I am being disrespectful, sorry man then don't go around talking shit about what ytou don't know "where I come from" that is unacceptable.

I already said my piece and just need the OP to see the context on where some of the advice is coming from, in your case stuff you "read"

No one's acting like a tough guy. You're just being a dick on the internet, cool. Your tone wouldn't have been received well in-person, in my circle, is all I'm saying. No implication of physical violence, or anything you could attribute to being a "tough guy" was made. In this situation, its just unfortunate for you because you simply failed to see a bold, green title with a link under it proving I have grown before, millimeters below the posts you're replying to, and wrote out an ignorant post with a negative tone attached. Your mistake, as you've noted. I've had some damn successful grows and have been growing on and off for over 4 years now. You threw out an insult, the reaction to it must be so shocking to you...

what real shit have you posted? You already outed yourself as not having used LED you trying to back track now. You want to know my findings then I'll give you one of your own lines, "look at my signature" and I did tell you previously what my favorite lights to date are but since you only want to pick and choose shit for the sake of argument you left that out right? Coming at you homie? So now you're a gangster wanna be that reads about LED's and has never grown with them, a real tough guy huh LOL. Do your own fucking homework I'm not wasting my time educating someone with your closed minded-ness and ego a fucken thing about growing. People like you are the parasite of this forum and the LED section ranting on and on about how great something is without ever using it first hand lol.

Well the thread is 2 pages long so I'm sure you'll be able to find it. You surely won't be able to make the posts I've made in this thread look like 'garbage' as you put it. You'll just either disappear from the thread, or make more posts filled with nothing but disrespect making you appear younger than I openly admit I am.

"look at my signature" and I did tell you previously what my favorite lights to date are but since you only want to pick and choose shit for the sake of argument you left that out right?

Yeah, at first glance your plants aren't doing too well relative to my first grow when I was 17 years old...So I'd rather you just post your findings on the experiment you did with "high-end LED" vs "high-end HID" and we see what you found. Shouldn't be too much of a bother if you actually properly documented the experiment, which I'm sure you of-course did...I'm not picking and choosing, I'm saying I don't care what "your favorite lights are" - lOl. Post science and math. Did you collect anything at all the community can use with your experiment or was it all just so you could make claims without data about your results after the grow was finished? Worthless.

Coming at you homie? So now you're a gangster wanna be that reads about LED's and has never grown with them, a real tough guy huh LOL. Do your own fucking homework I'm not wasting my time educating someone with your closed minded-ness and ego a fucken thing about growing. People like you are the parasite of this forum and the LED section ranting on and on about how great something is without ever using it first hand lol.

What the fuck is your problem dude? Where do you even come up with this stupid shit? Now I'm a 'gangster wannabee'...I'm doing my fucking homework. You know what's a waste of time? Conducting experiments without documenting your findings and results properly then making frivelous claims on the internet based off those poorly conducted experiments and literally insulting/disrespecting a young man trying to learn.

Fuck outta here with your bullshit. You made yourself look like a fool here today. The door's right there...

 

[Evil-Mobo]

No one's acting like a tough guy. You're just being a dick on the internet, cool. Your tone wouldn't have been received well in-person, in my circle, is all I'm saying. No implication of physical violence, or anything you could attribute to being a "tough guy" was made. In this situation, its just unfortunate for you because you simply failed to see a bold, green title with a link under it proving I have grown before, millimeters below the posts you're replying to, and wrote out an ignorant post with a negative tone attached. Your mistake, as you've noted. I've had some damn successful grows and have been growing on and off for over 4 years now. You threw out an insult, the reaction to it must be so shocking to you...
Well the thread is 2 pages long so I'm sure you'll be able to find it. You surely won't be able to make the posts I've made in this thread look like 'garbage' as you put it. You'll just either disappear from the thread, or make more posts filled with nothing but disrespect making you appear younger than I openly admit I am.
Yeah, at first glance your plants aren't doing too well relative to my first grow when I was 17 years old...So I'd rather you just post your findings on the experiment you did with "high-end LED" vs "high-end HID" and we see what you found. Shouldn't be too much of a bother if you actually properly documented the experiment, which I'm sure you of-course did...I'm not picking and choosing, I'm saying I don't care what "your favorite lights are" - lOl. Post science and math. Did you collect anything at all the community can use with your experiment or was it all just so you could make claims without data about your results after the grow was finished? Worthless.
What the fuck is your problem dude? Where do you even come up with this stupid shit? Now I'm a 'gangster wannabee'...I'm doing my fucking homework. You know what's a waste of time? Conducting experiments without documenting your findings and results properly then making frivelous claims on the internet based off those poorly conducted experiments and literally insulting/disrespecting a young man trying to learn.

Fuck outta here with your bullshit. You made yourself look like a fool here today. The door's right there...

Fuck outta here with your own bullshit what you want is to further bait me into some stupid fucking argument with you about led lighting which is pointless since as you already stated yourself you have never grown with LED LOL. I'm not going to be baited into doing your homework for you dipshit you want to know what I did go look at the fucking threads. All I'm saying is stop talking shit about a lighting technology you have not used (LED) but you want to turn this into some personal shit between you and me and who grows what lol. I could give three shits what your first grow or any after looked like or any future ones. You got called out for talking about a subject you have no experience with and you're trying as hard as you can to deflect the attention back to me any way you can. Keep grasping at air asshole it's not going to work.

You have never grown with LED, so stop running your mouth about how much better it is than something else because you have no first hand experience to back up your comments. Is that easy enough for you to understand?

 

[CCCmints]

Fuck outta here with your own bullshit what you want is to further bait me into some stupid fucking argument with you about led lighting which is pointless since as you already stated yourself you have never grown with LED LOL. I'm not going to be baited into doing your homework for you dipshit you want to know what I did go look at the fucking threads. All I'm saying is stop talking shit about a lighting technology you have not used (LED) but you want to turn this into some personal shit between you and me and who grows what lol. I could give three shits what your first grow or any after looked like not any future ones. You got called out for talking about a subject you have no experience with and you're trying as hard as you can to deflect the attention back to me any way you can. Keep grasping at air asshole it's not going to work.

You have never grown with LED, so stop running your mouth about how much better it is than something else because you have no first hand experience to back up your comments. Is that easy enough for you to understand?

You're the angry one here, isn't that funny? You popped off and made yourself look stupid. You brought disrespect into the discussion, along with personal insults. I'll post about LED until I can grow and people like you will deflect my requests for documentation pointing in favor of other lighting systems while claiming I'm doing the exact thing! Just disappear already. You've been outed for claiming to have conducted an experiment which you failed to properly document and share with the community so that we can observe and consider your findings in order to determine our next move...Its ok to be one of the 'simple guys' bro...No shame! I'm not one of those people though so forgive me if I don't find your thread a worthy fulfillment to my request for a proper scientific experiment comparing two lighting systems Nice grow journal, but not really in the league I'm talking about. Sorry bro

 

[Evil-Mobo]

You're the angry one here, isn't that funny? You popped off and made yourself look stupid. You brought disrespect into the discussion, along with personal insults. I'll post about LED until I can grow and people like you will deflect my requests for documentation pointing in favor of other lighting systems while claiming I'm doing the exact thing! Just disappear already. You've been outed for claiming to have conducted an experiment which you failed to properly document and share with the community so that we can observe and consider your findings in order to determine our next move...Its ok to be one of the 'simple guys' bro...No shame! I'm not one of those people though so forgive me if I don't find your thread a worthy fulfillment to my request for a proper scientific experiment comparing two lighting systems Nice grow journal, but not really in the league I'm talking about. Sorry bro

LOL

I'm not angry funny how you can detect emotion through the internet. You don't like my thread cool, then throw up some LED that you actually use and show us how it's done. My thread is not for you it's for me and I'm sharing my findings. I'm not here for you or any to validate me as a grower. There's a big difference to people just running off at the mouth like you, and people actually growing with different lights to show people what they do. So I guess by your own standards, you're actually doing a worse job than I am because you're rambling off about a technology you have NEVER used lol. And I never once stated what was better or worse so not sure where you're getting that from just making up more garbage trying to reflect.

You+ Never grown with LED= Bullshit comments about LED

Is that easy enough for you to understand, because apparently reading comprehension is an issue for you. You said you know math right well there's an equation for you, maybe that will sink in.

 

[OneHitDone]

You're the angry one here, isn't that funny? You popped off and made yourself look stupid. You brought disrespect into the discussion, along with personal insults. I'll post about LED until I can grow and people like you will deflect my requests for documentation pointing in favor of other lighting systems while claiming I'm doing the exact thing! Just disappear already. You've been outed for claiming to have conducted an experiment which you failed to properly document and share with the community so that we can observe and consider your findings in order to determine our next move...Its ok to be one of the 'simple guys' bro...No shame! I'm not one of those people though so forgive me if I don't find your thread a worthy fulfillment to my request for a proper scientific experiment comparing two lighting systems Nice grow journal, but not really in the league I'm talking about. Sorry bro

Hey Einstein, while your sitting around on your nuts this lovely sunday afternoon with nothing to do but make an asshat out of yourself till community college is back in session tomorrow - Why don't you educate us on lighting spectral requirements of various plant species and photomorphogenesis?
Then since you already have that petty much wrapped up, why not throw in the topic of gravitropism for a few others on this site that can't seem to figure out what quality cannabis is all about?
A couple decades of growing under lights here and you not gonna crunch numbers or draw colored lines any way to convince me led spectrum is up to "par" without showing some evidence on a particular product you are raving about.
Grab some different led's and grow some veggies, your mother would be ok with that I would think - the cops won't kick in her door.
Then you will see things all the led # crunching posts forgot to make note of.
Pick out the led shortcomings if you can:

 

[CCCmints]

Hey Einstein, while your sitting around on your nuts this lovely sunday afternoon with nothing to do but make an asshat out of yourself till community college is back in session tomorrow - Why don't you educate us on lighting spectral requirements of various plant species and photomorphogenesis?
Then since you already have that petty much wrapped up, why not throw in the topic of gravitropism for a few others on this site that can't seem to figure out what quality cannabis is all about?
A couple decades of growing under lights here and you not gonna crunch numbers or draw colored lines any way to convince me led spectrum is up to "par" without showing some evidence on a particular product you are raving about.
Grab some different led's and grow some veggies, your mother would be ok with that I would think - the cops won't kick in her door.
Then you will see things all the led # crunching posts forgot to make note of.
Pick out the led shortcomings if you can:

You know what I've realized. I'm coming across in a negative way myself. I'm not coming across in a way which reflects how I truly feel. I'm not one of those guys who is all for LED and won't listen to other opinions, but I see that I do indeed come off that way. I want to make it known to the people in this thread specifically that I openly admit I am in the infancy of my quest to determine what 'the best' is for every aspect of growing cannabis and cultivating plants in general. I know I'll be growing again soon enough, and since its what I love I can't help but spend my free time doing research on the subject. Its a more advanced subject than I think a lot of people realize and you guys are passionate about this just like I am. I'm not surprised this thread turned out the way it did but maybe we can just shake hands and move forward? I assure you I will bring real-life experience to these topics as soon as I'm able to. Together we will figure out what 'the best' is, in all aspects of what we're so passionate about.

Why don't you educate us on lighting spectral requirements of various plant species and photomorphogenesis?
Then since you already have that petty much wrapped up, why not throw in the topic of gravitropism for a few others on this site that can't seem to figure out what quality cannabis is all about?

This gives me research material to work with, thank-you.

@Evil-Mobo
I apologize. We both clearly love to grow cannabis. From now on I will not post suggestions to use an LED light before I've used one myself. You are right, and I am wrong.

@OneHitDone
I don't want to continue an argument but I want to learn about what you've posted.

Peace y'all, my bad...

 

[CCCmints]

LOL

I'm not angry funny how you can detect emotion through the internet. You don't like my thread cool, then throw up some LED that you actually use and show us how it's done. My thread is not for you it's for me and I'm sharing my findings. I'm not here for you or any to validate me as a grower. There's a big difference to people just running off at the mouth like you, and people actually growing with different lights to show people what they do. So I guess by your own standards, you're actually doing a worse job than I am because you're rambling off about a technology you have NEVER used lol. And I never once stated what was better or worse so not sure where you're getting that from just making up more garbage trying to reflect.

You+ Never grown with LED= Bullshit comments about LED

Is that easy enough for you to understand, because apparently reading comprehension is an issue for you. You said you know math right well there's an equation for you, maybe that will sink in.

I apologize...You're right and I'm wrong. I've learned when to just take my licks and move on. Hopefully no bad blood between us in the future as I'm sure we'll interact again.

 

[OneHitDone]

I apologize...You're right and I'm wrong. I've learned when to just take my licks and move on. Hopefully no bad blood between us in the future as I'm sure we'll interact again.

Nobody is taking any licks. We all have ideas and experiences and everyone needs to just chill and take in other peoples ideas, points of view, and experience.
Wrap it all in to one and form our own opinions and put together what works for ourselves.
There is definitely more than one way to get the job done and in the end a lot does come down to personal preference.
That's why a lot of the led crowd comes across so harsh, it's like an iron fist coming down - CXB3590 3K or else!!!

 

[coreywebster]

Can you drop a link to some LEDs you suggest?

Timber grow light
Tasty LED
Horticultural lighting group
ChilLED
Pacific lighting concepts

For DIY light kits or parts.,
Cobkits
Timber
Cutter.au

Take a look at what they offer, go on youtube and look at growmau5 s vids to see lights like those above in use with results.