Vert(600+400) 5 plant, from Ukraine with love

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ANC

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You could place four of these tubes in a 6x6 cluster. 4 tubes x 4 COB strings x 3 COBS = 48 COBS, @ 80W = 3840W in a 6x6 footprint.
If the tubes were square, 3' x1 x 4 sides = 12' x 4 tubes = 48 square feet per 1 foot of height.

Admittedly you would need larger tubes if you don't want fried plants. Haven't given it that much thought, but it is a project I will apply my mind to in future if the opportunity and resources allow for it.
 

Sedan

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Hi guys!!

I see here you have an extensive discussion.))

I'm sorry that I was gone for a long time. Now is not the easiest period in my life.

At the expense of the eternal question: To be or not to be))) .. LeD or not LeD ... Dude, it's very simple. Open the school physics textbook, and everything will become clear to you))) Take a circle. The middle of the circle is the light source. The radius line is the optimal distance. Then the beam becomes weaker. Closer and fry. If you put 4 panels X250, then on the radius there will be 250-optimal light !!!

And if you put a sodium lamp 600, then the radius will be evenly 600- optimally !!!!!!! The lighting that goes on and reflects off the outdoor screen is no longer lighting, the candle is better)))

ANC Bro, everything correctly says Ttystikk, he correctly understands the situation!

Friends, a little patience, and I will continue. Now the material is not ready yet. And the problems of life are knocked down from the right path ..

 

Sedan

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You could place four of these tubes in a 6x6 cluster. 4 tubes x 4 COB strings x 3 COBS = 48 COBS, @ 80W = 3840W in a 6x6 footprint.
If the tubes were square, 3' x1 x 4 sides = 12' x 4 tubes = 48 square feet per 1 foot of height.

Admittedly you would need larger tubes if you don't want fried plants. Haven't given it that much thought, but it is a project I will apply my mind to in future if the opportunity and resources allow for it.
Glass takes a stream of light by 30% !!! I do not like quartz glass tubes. I considered this option! I will cool the lamps by supplying cold air from below through the air conditioner, which will cool the room (not the installation)Up to a temperature of about 20 degrees Celsius. Air supply from the bottom, respectively, first the roots are cooled (by air +20 degrees), then the air blows on the lamp (bottom 600), heats up (the upper 400 does not warm almost).

According to my calculations, the temperature in the installation will be + 26-28, degrees Celsius. Roots will be cooled by air +20. This is my development, and there is no need for tubes, and glass, which takes the light flux. I'm going to bring the setup to the ideal, in a more rational way, Bro!

Do you understand me, my friend?
 

ttystikk

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Hi guys!!

I see here you have an extensive discussion.))

I'm sorry that I was gone for a long time. Now is not the easiest period in my life.

At the expense of the eternal question: To be or not to be))) .. LeD or not LeD ... Dude, it's very simple. Open the school physics textbook, and everything will become clear to you))) Take a circle. The middle of the circle is the light source. The radius line is the optimal distance. Then the beam becomes weaker. Closer and fry. If you put 4 panels X250, then on the radius there will be 250-optimal light !!!

And if you put a sodium lamp 600, then the radius will be evenly 600- optimally !!!!!!! The lighting that goes on and reflects off the outdoor screen is no longer lighting, the candle is better)))

ANC Bro, everything correctly says Ttystikk, he correctly understands the situation!

Friends, a little patience, and I will continue. Now the material is not ready yet. And the problems of life are knocked down from the right path ..
I always like to hear from you. I hope your life outside the grow room does not give you too much trouble! I look forward to seeing your next grow.
 

ttystikk

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Glass takes a stream of light by 30% !!! I do not like quartz glass tubes. I considered this option! I will cool the lamps by supplying cold air from below through the air conditioner, which will cool the room (not the installation)Up to a temperature of about 20 degrees Celsius. Air supply from the bottom, respectively, first the roots are cooled (by air +20 degrees), then the air blows on the lamp (bottom 600), heats up (the upper 400 does not warm almost).

According to my calculations, the temperature in the installation will be + 26-28, degrees Celsius. Roots will be cooled by air +20. This is my development, and there is no need for tubes, and glass, which takes the light flux. I'm going to bring the setup to the ideal, in a more rational way, Bro!

Do you understand me, my friend?
That's how I did it. Hot air rises, so a fan at the bottom blowing straight up through the middle just helps it along.
 

Sedan

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The Bucket Rider
Franz Kafka

Coal all spent; the bucket empty; the shovel useless; the stove breathing out cold; the room freezing; the trees outside the window rigid, covered with rime; the sky a silver shield against anyone who looks for help from it. I must have coal; I cannot freeze to death; behind me is the pitiless stove, before me the pitiless sky, so I must ride out between them and on my journey seek aid from the coal dealer. But he has already grown deaf to ordinary appeals; I must prove irrefutably to him that I have not a single grain of coal left, and that he means to me the very sun in the firmament. I must approach like a beggar, who, with the death rattle already in his throat, insists on dying on the doorstep, and to whom the cook accordingly decides to give the dregs of the coffeepot; just so must the coal dealer, filled with rage, but acknowledging the command “Thou shalt not kill,” fling a shovelful of coal into bucket.

My mode of arrival must decide the matter; so I ride off on the bucket. Seated on the bucket, my hands on the handle, the simplest kind of bridle, I propel myself with difficulty down the stairs; but once downstairs my bucket ascends, superbly, superbly; camels humbly squatting on the ground do not rise with more dignity, shaking themselves under the sticks of their drivers. Through the hard‐frozen streets we go at a regular canter; often I am upraised as high as the first story of a house; never do I sink as low as the house doors. And at last I float at an extraordinary height above the vaulted cellar of the dealer, whom I see far below crouching over his table, where he is writing; he has opened the door to let out the excessive heat.

“Coal dealer!” I cry in a voice burned hollow by the frost and muffled in the cloud made by my breath, “please, coal dealer, give me a little coal. My bucket is so light that I can ride on it. Be kind. When I can I'll pay you.”

The dealer puts his hand to his ear. “Do I hear right?” he throws the question over his shoulder to his wife. “Do I hear right? A customer.”

“I hear nothing,” says his wife, breathing in and out peacefully while she knits on, her back pleasantly warmed by the heat.

“Oh yes, you must hear,” I cry. “It's me; an old customer; faithful and true; only without means at the moment.”

“Wife,” says the dealer, “it's someone, it must be; my ears can't have deceived me so much as that; it must be an old, a very old customer, that can move me so deeply.”

“What ails you, man?” says his wife, ceasing from her work for a moment and pressing her knitting to her bosom. “It's nobody, the street is empty, all our customers are provided for we could close down the shop for several days and take a rest.”

“But I'm sitting up here on the bucket,” I cry, and numb, frozen tears dim my eyes, “please look up here, just once; you'll see me directly; I beg you, just a shovelful; and if you give me more it'll make me so happy that I won't know what to do. All the other customers are provided for. Oh, if I could only hear the coal clattering into the bucket!”

“I'm coming,” says the coal dealer, and on his snort legs he makes to climb the steps of the cellar, but his wife is already beside him, holds him back by the arm and says: “You stay here; seeing you persist in your fancies I'll go myself. Think of the bad fit of coughing you had during the night. But for a piece of business, even if it's one you've only fancied in your head, you're prepared to forget your wife and child and sacrifice your lungs. I'll go.”

“Then be sure to tell him all the kinds of coal we have in stock! I'll shout out the prices after you.” “Right,” says his wife, climbing up to the street. Naturally she sees me at once. “Frau Coal Dealer,” cry, “my humblest greetings; just one shovelful of coal; here in my bucket; I'll carry it home myself. One shovelful of the worst you have. I'll pay you in full for it, of course, but not just now, not just now.” What a knell‐like sound the words “not just now” have, and how bewilderingly they mingle with the evening chimes that fall from the church steeple nearby!

“Well, what does he want?” shouts the dealer. “Nothing,” his wife shouts back, “there's nothing here; I see nothing, I hear nothing; only six striking, and now we must shut up the shop. The cold is terrible; tomorrow we'll likely have lots to do again.”

She sees nothing and hears nothing; but all the same she loosens her apron strings and waves her apron to waft me away. She succeeds, unluckily. My bucket has all the virtues of a good steed except powers of resistance, which it has not; it is too light; a woman's apron can make it fly through the air.

“You bad woman!” I shout back, while she, turning into the shop, half‐contemptuous, half‐reassured, flourishes her fist in the air. “You bad woman! I begged you for a shovelful of the worst coal and you would not give it me.” And with that I ascend into the regions of the ice mountains and am lost forever.
 

Sedan

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Many people have told me ... making noise ... is ineffective ..

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over time

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my calculations are correct, even though I have not yet put the pipe outside, the temperature drops to the required values. Now the air conditioner works at full capacity. When I adjust normally ventilation, this will be a lot, it will work at low power.

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to be continued....

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ttystikk

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Many people have told me ... making noise ... is ineffective ..

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over time

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my calculations are correct, even though I have not yet put the pipe outside, the temperature drops to the required values. Now the air conditioner works at full capacity. When I adjust normally ventilation, this will be a lot, it will work at low power.

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to be continued....

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Winter is coming... The nights are already cool here.
 

Sedan

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Winter is coming... The nights are already cool here.
here, and another paradox begins in the Soviet style.)) The heating season begins on October 15th. The thermostat is not in the heating batteries. The street is still around +15 Celsius. Listen further: even with open windows in the apartment at this time, the temperature is about 25 or more. Last November, just before the harvester, the temperature in the installation reached +37 Celsius. in the country energy crisis!

Winters in Ukraine are very mild. In fact, the temperature does not often drop below 0. There are also +10 in December. Even polar bears do not walk the streets, but hide in dens.)) There is a lot of snow, but for us, if it's more -10, it's already cold.)) Personally, I'm very sick of the cold, as it's not strange))
 
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Sedan

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Now, finally, let's talk about upgrading the "SDU Pegas". As we all understand, every time, the installation is getting closer and closer to perfection. And this time is no exception. I will definitely try to surprise you, and the result, with the same powers, will be much better, I already know for sure

Here is the first constructive change. Of the same materials, on the same principle ....

BUT....

Previously in the installation, I used a cone shaped screen. This I did because at the top is a weaker lamp, at the bottom more powerful.

This time I will use the screen in the form of a cylinder, in the middle, refracted into a cone. Thus, with the same materials as last time, BUT, with the help of simple manipulations, we increase the working volume of the screen by 10% minimum. That will allow me to place more branches in the installation, respectively, more inflorescences .......

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Top image: "SDU Pegas"
The bottom figure: "SDU Pegas M"
Red: increased screen size due to refraction.


To be continued.........

 
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ttystikk

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Now, finally, let's talk about upgrading the "SDU Pegas". As we all understand, every time, the installation is getting closer and closer to perfection. And this time is no exception. I will definitely try to surprise you, and the result, with the same powers, will be much better, I already know for sure

Here is the first constructive change. Of the same materials, on the same principle ....

BUT....

Previously in the installation, I used a cone shaped screen. This I did because at the top is a weaker lamp, at the bottom more powerful.

This time I will use the screen in the form of a cylinder, in the middle, refracted into a cone. Thus, with the same materials as last time, BUT, with the help of simple manipulations, we increase the working volume of the screen by 10% minimum. That will allow me to place more branches in the installation, respectively, more inflorescences .......

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Top image: "SDU Pegas"
The bottom figure: "SDU Pegas M"
Red: increased screen size due to refraction.


To be continued.........
Why not use two 600W lamps and have a uniformly sized cylinder?
 

Sedan

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Why not use two 600W lamps and have a uniformly sized cylinder?
Here then your compatriots will be right.)))) The fan will not blow two lamps of 600 watts ... In this case, you need a cool tube. And this glass is a loss of efficiency .. And the meaning is lost .. I strive for the ideal: the optimal cost is the maximum result ... I do not want the installation to work for nothing on some part ...
 

ttystikk

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Here then your compatriots will be right.)))) The fan will not blow two lamps of 600 watts ... In this case, you need a cool tube. And this glass is a loss of efficiency .. And the meaning is lost .. I strive for the ideal: the optimal cost is the maximum result ... I do not want the installation to work for nothing on some part ...
I've run three 1000W lights in a cylinder and it worked very well with a fan blowing up from the floor. If you have heat management problems this could be a limitation.
 

Sedan

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I've run three 1000W lights in a cylinder and it worked very well with a fan blowing up from the floor. If you have heat management problems this could be a limitation.
the temperature should be uniformly distributed over the entire area. A 600 watt lamp warms up to 350 degrees Celsius on the surface. To blow out the bottom 3X350 ........... what do you think, what is the temperature difference at the bottom ... and at the top at 1,5 a meter of height ... ....))) there will be no ideal, my friend ... and roots freeze in addition .. My installation will be completely germic from light and air .all inside .. is germic in 1.5 m3 .. the entrance is at the bottom, the outlet is at the top .... 1000 watts ..3 kg.......
 

ttystikk

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the temperature should be uniformly distributed over the entire area. A 600 watt lamp warms up to 350 degrees Celsius on the surface. To blow out the bottom 3X350 ........... what do you think, what is the temperature difference at the bottom ... and at the top at 1,5 a meter of height ... ....))) there will be no ideal, my friend ... and roots freeze in addition .. My installation will be completely germic from light and air .all inside .. is germic in 1.5 m3 .. the entrance is at the bottom, the outlet is at the top .... 1000 watts ..3 kg.......
My setup did very well. I ran a fan pushing air straight up. It circulated through the cylinder, out the top and then back to the bottom. Roots were not cold. The top was not too hot.

I also had good cooling in my room. Since I'm not in your place, I can't say what is best for you. I'm just asking questions.
 
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