CCCmints
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I just dove into that research myself over the past couple weeks. You can see a lot of the research in my grow room design thread. I'm gonna be using LED for the first time.
3300W LED Grow room 10x5
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TacoMac
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Only to the brainless.
Haha ok
Wattage doesn't stack. Ever. For any reason. Wattage is the volume of voltage being used by a circuit. It's like driving 2 cars at 60mph, it doesn't make you go 120.
Yes you can carry more passengers with 2 cars, but still at only 60mph.
Now imagine those 2 cars driving 60mph side by side on the highway. Those cars are bringing more people across wider space at 60mph. Likewise, adding a light simply delivers the same quantity of photons at the same wattage over a larger spread.
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TacoMac
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First off, no. I have no clue who that is.
Secondly, he's correct. Wattage as has been said before doesn't stack. All it does is tell you the power that's being consumed. It says absolutely nothing about the actual amount of light being output.
So, no. 2 200 watt light fixtures do NOT equal a 400 watt light fixture. The reason: a little thing called lumens.
Lumens determine the brightness of any given light. The wattage simply defines the power consumed to produce that light.
In his case, he's running very cheap Viaspectre fixtures.
Now, the fixtures are LABLED as 450 watt lights. They're not. They are 200 watt light fixtures. The produce only around 12,000 lumens each. (which is why they're so dirt cheap to begin with.)
Now, lumens are cumulative. So by running the two Viaspectras he has, he's actually getting 24,000 lumens with them.
To put that into perspective, a single 400 watt HPS will put out 50,000 lumens on average. So, in the end, a TRUE 400 watt bulb will output just over DOUBLE what his two 200 watt fixtures do for the exact same amount of wattage used.
So him sitting there thinking two "labled" 450 watt fixtures, that aren't even 450 watt fixtures, is giving him 900 watts of lighting, is stupid on a level I've never seen before.
Ever.
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Ghost of Davy Jones
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Easily
Ghost of Davy Jones
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Can't we all just get along?
a mongo frog
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Mongo!
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Ghost of Davy Jones
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What a pretty boy! How old?
The draw is additive the output is not is what I meant. Get cocky all you want but it's the truth. Doesn't matter how you want to spin it
coreywebster
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He's just playing. He's a great guy with a good sense of humour.
coreywebster
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You should set up as a pet photographer Mongo. Those are mint pics.
Visit my business Facebook page (not going plug my business here as I'm notnsire the rules of this forum). Pm me for a link. I've been working in electronics on a level you couldn't imagine for over 20 years and I am one of the highest rates and highest paid emergency breakfix technicians in New England. Ive known what a MOSFET is and what it does since i was 12 years old so come at me.
To the dumb and misinformed perhaps it makes sense that everyone with an adverse opinion would have to be the same person. Its a conspiracy to make him look bad, duh
You are lumping draw and output into one thing, but they are not even related. For the purposes of draw from a wall yes wattage is additive. In regards to output of light 2x 600w of light will never be the same output as 1x 1200w, yet will have the same draw. I'm very sorry if you don't grasp this concept man. You might think it tales meth to get smart, in reality it only takes hands on experience, in this case I've been an electronics technician for over 20 years. I am only now learning about light output, but that doesn't change what wattage is or how it works. Again I'm very sorry that you seem to have a mental roadblock up aboutbthe but yeah man you're dead wrong like biggie said
Again you are confusing photon output with wattage. I'll agree that yes you can increase photon volume this way, however it's not working like you think it is. If wattage = photon output then yeah, but no that's not the case. Even different hps bulbs of the same wattage rating can put out more or less photons than the other based on the composition if the bulb itself, something I am 100% sure you would agree is true. That itself is the simplest way I can explain in a A way I think you'll understand. I'm not a good teacher never have been. And it's nitnjust the bulb, the electronics running the bulb also will dictate how much how that wattage being drawn is utilized before ever even being converted to photons at the bulb. One constant in this equation is always the same, that yes wattage will add up, as draw from your power source.
It is extremely important that you understand this or you won't be making much progress anytime soon in regards to maxing photon output per watt CONSUMED (key word being consumed, not put out)
Here is some info on what really happens when 2+ sources of waves collide:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interference_(wave_propagation)
I can't even pretend to understand the math they are doing here but the result is that waves even if identicle frequencies do not ever merge into one larger wave yet can occupy the same space/time and interfere with each other. The only reason this works for plants is that the particle half of light called a photon is also sharing the same space -time as the other light sources particles.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interference_(wave_propagation)
I can't even pretend to understand the math they are doing here but the result is that waves even if identicle frequencies do not ever merge into one larger wave yet can occupy the same space/time and interfere with each other. The only reason this works for plants is that the particle half of light called a photon is also sharing the same space -time as the other light sources particles.