Help please...

[Taco740]

Hey everyone at RIU, it's another noob, with another question. So my plant is in its 3rd week of flowering and the leaves are yellowing and dying, I just checked the PH of my run off and it's around 5. Is that bad? And if so how do I fix it? Any and all input and wisdom would be greatly appreciated! Thanks guys.

 

[Ares2389]

Hi there! I am newer myself. I recently had a plant issue and it definitely helps to post pics if you can for the experts to help.

Best of luck!

 

[StonerCol]

@Taco740 If the leaves are yellowing and dying from the bottom up then it may well be an N issue. As @Ares2 says, pics do help a lot! Also more info...medium, strain, nute type etc etc etc.

 

[Taco740]

Thanks guys. I'm growing in some Just Natural Organic soil I picked up from walmart. I just transplanted them into 5 gallon from 3 and I noticed they were root bound. Could that have been a issue? Strain unknown, just bag seeds. I'm using Flora nova bloom right now and calimagic for my nutes and I got them up to 640 ppm and about to raise them soon. The water i use is around 6.4 PH, I just checked my soil and it's around 7-7.5 PH and my run offs PH is at 5. My temps in my grow tent are around 85-90 degrees (I know that's high, my inline fan is arriving tomorrow.) And humidity ranges from 35-50.

Is there anything I'm missing?

I could really use some help.

 

[Taco740]

Here are some pics...

 

[chemphlegm]

try adding 1/2 "grow" and 1/2 "bloom" nutrient next feeding

 

[StonerCol]

When growing in soil you don't need to worry about the pH because the soil will sort that out.

 

[TacoMac]

Looks like you ran out of real estate in that small pot.

First off, never, ever, ever transplant. Ever. That's shit a nursery does, not a person growing only a couple plants. Put the germinated seed in the final pot you're growing in.

Secondly, it's not THAT bad. Yeah, you sort of bound it up and starved it out a bit. But it really doesn't look that bad. Just keep on keeping on in the larger pot.

In the future, never, ever, ever transplant. Nurseries do that because they're germinating 100 plants at a time. So for them it's more economical space wise to use smaller pots that take up less space. As the plant grows, they're harvesting a grow of big plants, moving medium plants into that space, transplanting small plants to the medium space, and so on.

But for anybody just growing a few plants at one time start to finish, there is no reason on this earth to ever transplant you grow. All it does is put you at risk for shit like this, and you risk stunting the plant each time you transplant it if anything goes wrong.

Hang in there. You'll be fine.

 

[StonerCol]

Looks like you ran out of real estate in that small pot.

First off, never, ever, ever transplant. Ever. That's shit a nursery does, not a person growing only a couple plants. Put the germinated seed in the final pot you're growing in.

Secondly, it's not THAT bad. Yeah, you sort of bound it up and starved it out a bit. But it really doesn't look that bad. Just keep on keeping on in the larger pot.

In the future, never, ever, ever transplant. Nurseries do that because they're germinating 100 plants at a time. So for them it's more economical space wise to use smaller pots that take up less space. As the plant grows, they're harvesting a grow of big plants, moving medium plants into that space, transplanting small plants to the medium space, and so on.

But for anybody just growing a few plants at one time start to finish, there is no reason on this earth to ever transplant you grow. All it does is put you at risk for shit like this, and you risk stunting the plant each time you transplant it if anything goes wrong.

Hang in there. You'll be fine.

I could never understand why growers would say to use a small pot then transplant to a bigger one. It's as if the seedlings don't like a lot of space! Farmers plant seeds directly into their fields and to my mind it's the same. Being indoors or out makes no difference to this issue, so, I could never fathom why I'd "need" to use a small pot first, then transplant.
A seed has no idea what size pot it is in and as it grows its roots will expand according to the space available.......I'm glad to read your comment cos it is always what I thought to be true!

 

[Taco740]

I really appreciate the input guys. It's my first grow and a few well known guys on here told me that's what I should do so I went for it. It's been a pain in the ass ever since.

@StonerCol I like the analogy about the farmer planting the seed in the field. So true.

So i dont need to worry about PH at all in soil? And it might have just been root bound?

@chemphlegm what will 1/2 and 1/2 Do? And what Ppms should it be at when I feed?

 

[Diabolical666]

Ugh horrible advice. The feeding from chem is the best advice amongst these posts.
Imho you have been overwatering and sufficating yiur roots which is locking out the nutrients you need..N Cal mag right away. Low dose of N at this stage.
Back off on the water , give it enough to dry out every 2-3 days this helps incorporate a feeding schedule in.
Transplanting: yiu should be transplanting 2-3 times threwout your grow cycle on indoor growing. Planting a seed in a field in direct sunlight is a whole different game. Planting a small seedling in a huge pot will slow down the growth cycle exponentially.

 

[StonerCol]

So i dont need to worry about PH at all in soil? And it might have just been root bound?

I'm no expert grower but I have read dozens and dozens of comments by experienced growers who say that water doesn't need to be pH balanced if growing in soil. I use water straight from the tap and it has never caused me any troubles.

If the pot has become root-bound then it is highly likely that the roots aren't getting the nutrients they require. The soil is what holds the water - and therefore nutrients - so if there are a lot of roots and not so much soil then water can't be held within that root space and so roots will not have as much nutrients. I hope that makes sense!

One point that I have to keep reminding myself. You are feeding the soil, not the plants!

Hope this helps.......

 

[StonerCol]

Ugh horrible advice

From whom?

Imho you have been overwatering and sufficating yiur roots which is locking out the nutrients you need

If the soil to root ratio is low then there is not enough medium to hold the nutrients. If you had a pot that is 90% roots and 10% soil then water will run straight through the pots and the plant will not get the nutrients it needs.

 

[StonerCol]

Transplanting: yiu should be transplanting 2-3 times threwout your grow cycle on indoor growing.

Why? This is completely false imo.

Planting a seed in a field in direct sunlight is a whole different game.

How so? what goes on below the soil outdoors or in a pot is the same science.

Planting a small seedling in a huge pot will slow down the growth cycle exponentially.

How? The seedling has no sense of whether it is in a 1 litre pot or a 1 gallon one. It grows the same regardless.

I'm happy to be proved wrong but can you provide some evidence?

 

[Diabolical666]

I'm no expert grower but I have read dozens and dozens of comments by experienced growers who say that water doesn't need to be pH balanced if growing in soil. I use water straight from the tap and it has never caused me any troubles.

If the pot has become root-bound then it is highly likely that the roots aren't getting the nutrients they require. The soil is what holds the water - and therefore nutrients - so if there are a lot of roots and not so much soil then water can't be held within that root space and so roots will not have as much nutrients. I hope that makes sense!

One point that I have to keep reminding myself. You are feeding the soil, not the plants!

Hope this helps.......

Not true at all about ph. If you have nasty high alkaline water, you can water with it a cpl times but after a month your plant will show all kinds of deficiencies. It has ti be somewhat close to the ph range of nutrient availability then the soil (cannabis friendly soil) will buffer it slightly but not entirely

 

[Lucky Luke]

I'm no expert grower but I have read dozens and dozens of comments by experienced growers who say that water doesn't need to be pH balanced if growing in soil. I use water straight from the tap and it has never caused me any troubles..

If soil has a PH of 8 and ur adding water at a PH of 8 I dont think the plant would survive for very long.

Yes, soil buffers. I check my soil PH and then dont bother again. But i make sure my soil and water is in range.
Farmers even PH their paddocks. You will sometimes see them throwing lime down for eg.

 

[Diabolical666]

Why? This is completely false imo.

How so? what goes on below the soil outdoors or in a pot is the same science.

How? The seedling has no sense of whether it is in a 1 litre pot or a 1 gallon one. It grows the same regardless.

I'm happy to be proved wrong but can you provide some evidence?

Why? This is completely false imo.

How so? what goes on below the soil outdoors or in a pot is the same science.

How? The seedling has no sense of whether it is in a 1 litre pot or a 1 gallon one. It grows the same regardless.

I'm happy to be proved wrong but can you provide some evidence?

It absolitely has a sense when you are overwatering it....which tends to happen in a big fat pot and a tiny seedling.
As for the field growing and indoor pot growing it is totally different. Its not whats under the ground its the intense sun and uvb that will make the plant thrive

 

[StonerCol]

Not true at all about ph. If you have nasty high alkaline water, you can water with it a cpl times but after a month your plant will show all kinds of deficiencies. It has ti be somewhat close to the ph range of nutrient availability then the soil (cannabis friendly soil) will buffer it slightly but not entirely

Natural water will have a pH of 7 and tap water can vary slightly but shouldn't vary from this too much. One reason for this is that it is unhealthy for humans to consume if it is too alkaline or acidic. If the quality of the water supply is really crap then I'd be worrying about my own health before that of the plants!

 

[StonerCol]

It absolitely has a sense when you are overwatering it

We are talking about pot size, not amounts of water. They are totally different. Most growers are careful not to over-water, regardless of pot size.

 

[StonerCol]

As for the field growing and indoor pot growing it is totally different. Its not whats under the ground its the intense sun and uvb that will make the plant thrive

But we are talking about roots, not what is going on above the soil!