Ending the Ronald Reagan Lie

Fogdog

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I'm posting my evidence for all to see in threads on this section.

Just because the parties have legalized corruption and would therefore escape scrutiny for it does not mean that the same activities are not inimical to democracy or the greater good of the vast majority of the American People.

In other words, your argument is false and misleading.
What evidence?

Your OP contained an essay that contained some information. You posted an opinion that you agreed with. Even a cynic should know that's not evidence. This skeptic saw right through it. Not saying I disagree, I'm just not convinced.
 

ttystikk

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What evidence?

Your OP contained an essay that contained some information. You posted an opinion that you agreed with. Even a cynic should know that's not evidence. This skeptic saw right through it. Not saying I disagree, I'm just not convinced.
The other threads I'm posting all contain pieces of evidence.

I was putting them in my Mark Blyth thread but they get buried by the shit posting crew.
 

Fogdog

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I'm cynical and sceptical that the Democratic Party has my interests in mind, yes. I think I have good reason to be.

Calling me ignorant is cynical in itself. Perhaps you're the cynic?

Is 'pity party' an argument or a smear?
You aren't skeptical. You can't even spell the word correctly.

Read up:
http://www.differencebetween.net/language/words-language/difference-between-cynicism-and-skepticism/

Skeptical people want to have evidence of something before they will believe it is true. Cynical people do not trust any information that they do not personally agree with.

What you posted was not evidence. Your world view is cynical, not skeptical.
 

ttystikk

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Fogdog

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The other threads I'm posting all contain pieces of evidence.

I was putting them in my Mark Blyth thread but they get buried by the shit posting crew.
I'm so not expecting anything. But will be glad to review your evidence when I see any. It's just not here and that's what I was referring to. I was curious what the Ronald Reagan lie was. I found an essay that was heavy on rhetoric and free of useful information. Then all of a sudden you revised WWII history and argued about that. Pardon me if I'm skeptical of what you post without evidence.
 

ttystikk

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I'm so not expecting anything. But will be glad to review your evidence when I see any. It's just not here and that's what I was referring to. I was curious what the Ronald Reagan lie was. I found an essay that was heavy on rhetoric and free of useful information. Then all of a sudden you revised WWII history and argued about that. Pardon me if I'm skeptical of what you post without evidence.
That is your right.
 

Fogdog

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No, you have nothing to say on the original topic, so instead you'll derail the discussion with a personal attack.

And you call ME lazy? That's just another lazy personal attack!
OK. I'll comment on the original post.

Naive
 

Lucky Luke

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It hastened the end of WWII. What we've done with them since has been rather less admirable.

Lowering taxes on the highest income earners has been a colossal disaster in terms of overall prosperity. This is the lie that must be challenged.
Modern historians are starting to think it didnt.
Japan may of surrendered because the Russians were nearly on their border and they thought that they would be better off surrendering to the Americans rather than have Russia invade.
The thinking is that America dropped the bomb to try to stop Russia from having Japan..and then dropped another one when the first one didnt work. And remember they didnt surrender straight away and the majority of the cabinet didnt support an unconditional surrender at all- they were playing for time and be able to negotiate one.. They would have had no chance of keeping their Imperial tradition under Russia.


"After the Hiroshima attack, a faction of Japan’s supreme war council favored acceptance of the Potsdam Declaration, but the majority resisted unconditional surrender. On August 8, Japan’s desperate situation took another turn for the worse when the USSR declared war against Japan. The next day, Soviet forces attacked in Manchuria, rapidly overwhelming Japanese positions there, and a second U.S. atomic bomb was dropped on the Japanese coastal city of Nagasaki.

Just before midnight on August 9, Japanese Emperor Hirohito convened the supreme war council. After a long, emotional debate, he backed a proposal by Prime Minister Suzuki in which Japan would accept the Potsdam Declaration “with the understanding that said Declaration does not compromise any demand that prejudices the prerogatives of His Majesty as the sovereign ruler.” The council obeyed Hirohito’s acceptance of peace, and on August 10 the message was relayed to the United States."

IMO it should never have been invented or used. Its cost countless lives and caused far to much conflict and mistrust. Not an accomplishment to be proud of.
 
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tangerinegreen555

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I'm here to do the same thing.

It seems there are several people here who will spend all day posting memes to keep people in the dark and eating bullshit.

As long as it's THEIR bullshit, it's fine!
Everybody is entitled to their own opinions.

This is primarily a pot and entertainment site to me. That's not to say there's never quality discussions here, but when you have so many sock racists, bigots and fake news lying wing nuts, it's kinda hard to take their shit seriously.

I'm as consistent as a rock in my political beliefs. Nobody is going to change them.

It's not a perfect world and our government is now essentially dysfunctional most of the time.

But I remain optimistic that we will one day return to the liberal control of my youth when JFK (and later his brother RFK & MLK) made things seem like anything was possible.
 

Fogdog

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By Jeffery Sachs of the Boston Globe

As they return from the July Fourth break, the Republican leadership is twisting in agony on the Obamacare repeal and it couldn’t happen to a more miserable bunch. President Trump, House Speaker Paul Ryan, and Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell have been trying to jam through a deeply unpopular and cruel piece of legislation, but for once the public is being heard over the lobbyists. And the public is shouting a loud and hopefully decisive “no.” But the problem is deeper than health care, and goes back to Ronald Reagan’s great lie.

Our current political travails can be traced to Reagan. In his jovial way, Reagan would quip, “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” With his sneering disrespect for government, Reagan ushered in nearly four decades of tax cuts, deregulation, and rising inequality that now threaten to devour our future. Trump, Ryan, and McConnell are the scheming and vacuous politicians at the end of a long process of decline.

Aristotle invented the Western study of political science; in his view, politics was about the community expressing its common interests and promoting virtues among the citizenry. It was a vision the Founding Fathers well understood. Yet somehow that positive view became transposed in today’s right-wing political thought into the idea that government is inherently evil and must be vanquished.

It’s not hard to find the peculiar American roots of this extremist view. The country was born in a rebellion against a monarch. America’s great diversity led constantly to calls for limited government, especially from the slave-owning southern states that championed “states’ rights” to try to keep the federal government off their backs. Historians have been clear that the current wave of anti-federal sentiments emerged in the South and West in response to the civil rights movement of the 1950s and 1960s. Yet something more happened as well.

In the 1960s few Americans would have understood Reagan’s quip about government being terrifying. The federal government had won the war, developed the atomic bomb, put Americans into space, and built the greatest ribbons of highways in the world. The federal government had promoted dazzling technological breakthroughs in medicine, space, telecommunications, and other areas.

What changed was the marriage of anti-civil rights politics in the South, West, rural America, and the suburbs, with big money in politics. Presidential aspirants had always had their financial backers. But with the advent of expensive television ads, mass mailings, and big data, campaigns became expensive. Big campaign money flooded in and federal politics became the playground of billionaires.

And nobody played it better than David and Charles Koch. They played the long game. With their lavish funding of libertarian think tanks, advocacy groups, university departments, and political action committees, the Koch Brothers and their brethren (including Robert Mercer, Sheldon Adelson, and the late John Olin) bought the Republican Party and turned it into a radical antigovernment force. It’s be all and end all became tax cuts and deregulation.

The deregulation had one more crucial effect. It enabled the rise of “too big to fail” businesses, and their lobbies in four key sectors: Big Oil, Wall Street, Big Health, and Big Armaments. Antitrust became a dead letter. The billionaires successfully championed tax cuts, deregulation, and deregulated companies that became more influential than government itself, and that when necessary could call on the federal government to do their bidding.

The Democrats, of course, have their own watered-down version of the same phenomenon. Wall Street, for example, proved to be an equal-opportunity employer of politicians of both parties.

The stunning result is this: A small group of wealthy interests has hijacked the federal government, driving policies that are strongly against public opinion and the public good. Legislation is drafted in secret, pushed without deliberation, and if possible, adopted without regard for the voters. This is obviously the case with the Obamacare repeal, but it’s also true regarding climate change, environmental protection, tax cuts for the rich, antitrust enforcement, and foreign policy.

Obamacare repeal and the Trump agenda have exposed the big lie. Yes, the Koch Brothers have bought the Republican majority, but the policies they espouse, such as slashing health care coverage, are not the policies desired by the American people. We are therefore at a reckoning.

My own belief? We will soon swing back to an era of grass-roots democracy, led especially by young people, in which public activism will trump big money in politics. Stay tuned.
Information-light

The author say three things about "Reagan's lie"

Before Reagan said bad stuff about government cynicism about the usefulness of government was unheard of.
The Kochs funded the start-up of right wing propaganda
Democrats are to blame too however what they are to blame for is not specified.

His conclusion is that the government is fucked up because "of all this".

Load of crap. Not surprised knowing who posted this. Berniecraps are are drawn to the buzz words in that essay like bees to sugar water.
 

Fogdog

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I believe the correct technical term is histrionic meltdown.
Yep, thanks for the suggestion. I'll edit that in.

Turns out there is a personality disorder associated with chronic histrionic behavior:

Histrionic personality disorder (HPD)
HPD lies in the dramatic cluster of personality disorders.[3] People with HPD have a high need for attention, make loud and inappropriate appearances, exaggerate their behaviors and emotions, and crave stimulation.[3] They may exhibit sexually provocative behavior, express strong emotions with an impressionistic style, and can be easily influenced by others. Associated features include egocentrism, self-indulgence, continuous longing for appreciation, and persistent manipulative behavior to achieve their own needs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histrionic_personality_disorder


HPD is more common in women by a ratio of 4:1 and associated with "excessive attention-seeking emotions, usually beginning in early adulthood, including inappropriately seductive behavior and an excessive need for approval. Histrionic people are lively, dramatic, vivacious, enthusiastic, and flirtatious."

I usually just called them needy bitches when I met one and spent too much time with her. Fitting that tty's obnoxious posts should strongly resemble a disorder most commonly associated with a needy bitch.
 
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tangerinegreen555

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HPD lies in the dramatic cluster of personality disorders.[3] People with HPD have a high need for attention, make loud and inappropriate appearances, exaggerate their behaviors and emotions, and crave stimulation.[3] They may exhibit sexually provocative behavior, express strong emotions with an impressionistic style, and can be easily influenced by others. Associated features include egocentrism, self-indulgence, continuous longing for appreciation, and persistent manipulative behavior to achieve their own needs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histrionic_personality_disorder


HPD is more common in women by a ratio of 4:1 and associated with "excessive attention-seeking emotions, usually beginning in early adulthood, including inappropriately seductive behavior and an excessive need for approval. Histrionic people are lively, dramatic, vivacious, enthusiastic, and flirtatious."
Holy Shitfuck, Batman!

Has President Asshole ever been checked for this?
 

Fogdog

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Holy Shitfuck, Batman!

Has President Asshole ever been checked for this?
I thought the same thing. Turns out this disorder is associated with what I thought Trump was exhibiting, that being antisocial personality disorder. Now, not so sure. Could be that @ttystikk and Trump have the same dysfunction.

Research has found 2/3 of patients diagnosed with histrionic personality disorder also meet criteria similar to those of the antisocial personality disorder,[10] which suggests both disorders based towards sex-type expressions may have the same underlying cause.
 
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