UncleBuck
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is this your "i have a black friend" moment?
Amy Vilela for Nevada's 4th
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abandonconflict
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That's not apparent at all. That is actually a terrible characterization of it. In fact it is your little berniebaby buddies making some of the most fucked up comments while you deride us for calling out racists and NEVER say anything to your peers. What's worse, you like many of those comments and I honestly would have written it off as just you enjoying them telling us off because you seem slightly less petulant than they are. I was clearly wrong to let you off the hook. You're clearly dishonest and enjoy distorting arguments.
As for who does anything about what, I doubt you have any experience in activism. If I had any respect for you I would list some of my affiliations and involvements but I don't really care what you think, since you're an idiot who supports a fake socialist and derides people who stand up to racists, while showing very open support for some of the worst offenders on this site in regards to bigotry.
You mean candidates who fail utterly to engage any group engaged in any kind of struggle for equality. In fact it doesn't hurt rich people when aggregate demand is strong. In fact it is those rich people who benefit the most and the most directly by the form of liberalism you support (I might add one which hides behind a socialist mask). Furthermore, it is the most effective method any liberal can employ to save capitalism from itself in order to preserve inequality.
You're just a privileged white guy trying to tell people what is best for them while telling us to stop standing up to racists.
This isn't about Clinton, I do not support her. I rebuke berniebros like you who are rejoicing for Trump's win. You're clearly taking me seriously because you have gone out of your way daily to have a dialogue with me ever since I started calling out your bigoted friends who also support Bernard, just because criticism of your hero hurts your little feelbads.
Fogdog
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I present evidence to the forum that Abiqua doesn't understand the meaning of the word racism. Conveniently so, I might add.
Fogdog
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Oh, come now. What's with this "I support Bernie even though I might lose money" line of reasoning? (kicks dirt your way)
What I read in your line of reasoning regarding support for Bernie is the same as mine. I think Bernie's platform along with most of the Democratic Party's policies are most likely to sustain this country, keep it whole and make for a better society. The one that Trump and Republicans propose looks like a nightmare for me and mine in the future. I also recognize that you and I know that cutting taxes and increasing spending will eventually wreck our personal finances when the bill comes due. You are voting in what you perceive as your own self interest. Nothing wrong with that.
Fogdog
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I've just been through that string of posts by bearkat. It was very well thought out and written which means it was nothing like your argument.
st0wandgrow
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That's exactly what this was about. You're inability to comprehend, or your eagerness to turn this in to something else is irrelevant.
Hillary pays lip service to the black community for votes.
Period. Not a single one of you have offered any evidence to the contrary.
UncleBuck
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black people disagree with you. the evidence? their overwhelming support for hillary over bernie.
Fogdog
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https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/05/23/the-truth-about-the-sanders-movement/
3.Purists: A somewhat different strand in the movement, also familiar to those of us of a certain age, consists of those for whom political activism is less about achieving things and more about striking a personal pose. They are the pure, the unsullied, who reject the corruptions of this world and all those even slightly tainted – which means anyone who actually has gotten anything done. Quite a few Sanders surrogates were Naderites in 2000; the results of that venture don’t bother them, because it was never really about results, only about affirming personal identity.
Why do you think Clinton garnered better than 70% of the African American vote in the 2016 general election? Nobody said Clinton was free of racism or untainted by it during her time spent in politics. What has been said is demanding purity and demanding conformation to a checklist of policies is something only the privileged can expect. Clinton maintained good standing with most in the black community throughout all this. Do you think they didn't hear, see and remember what was said back then? I can do the same too. I'm not a purist.
During the primaries, Sanders did poorly with the black vote. Are you saying they didn't vote in their own self interests?
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abandonconflict
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Berniebros like you seem to want anyone who criticizes racists to shut up. At least Hillary acknowledges that there are people in existence who are engaged in a struggle for equality. I'm not saying I support her but she's better than Bernard.
st0wandgrow
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That's a good question. I don't know the answer, but if I were to guess I'd say it's a variety of things. A lot of older black voters supported her because of Bill. After all, he was the "first black president". She did particularity well in the south with black votes, so I would say that some of that boiled down to religion. They might have had an issue with Bernie being a Jew. The dnc was trying to push the narrative that Bernie was an atheist, so some may have heard/believed that. I also believe that Bernies support for gays, and gay marriage hurt him in the black community. While Clinton was busy signing the defense of marriage act, and don't ask don't tell, Bernie was voting against those initiatives and standing up for gays before it was popular. The black community (I'm guessing largely due to religious beliefs) is very opposed to gay marriage and gay equality. Yes, they are capable of being prejudiced too.
In this case, yes I am. Do you not feel that's possible? How do you explain rural, poor, white voters who consistently vote Republican? Do you not feel that they vote against their own self interests? If so, why not with southern black voters? I have not heard a single argument as to how the following Bernie policies would not be good for the black community...
- Medicare for all
- Free public university
- Raising the minimum wage to $15
- Ending the war on drugs/mass incarceration
- Legalizing marijuana
Those are all positions that Hillary did not support, and they are all positions that would disproportionately help minorities. So you tell me.... did the black community vote against their own self interests in 2016?
I'm open to hearing why I'm wrong, but please keep the "you're racist and priveleged and white" stuff to yourself. I won't respond to that.
Fogdog
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Your post would have been much more intelligent if you'd stopped with I don't know..
This is how I interpret what you said: You were well informed enough and independent minded enough to realize voting for Bernie was in your own best interest. Except the taxes but you were willing to overlook that. Yet voters in the south who had all the same information available to them as you could not make the correct decision. Not even when they were offered all that free stuff.
Not to mention black and brown votes nationwide. Or women who also voted in larger numbers for Sanders.
You are saying that a whopping large number of people could not process information as well as you and they voted against their own best interests. And you don't see any reason for them to fail to trust Sanders, who pretty much ignored black, brown and female voters as evidenced by where he held his rallies, what he emphasized in his speeches and debates.You can't entertain the idea that so many people who weren't like him didn't trust Sanders enough to give him their vote. But you don't see any racism or patronizing white male attitude in your conclusion.
I'm not surprised.
Fogdog
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I think everybody votes in their own best interests. What is included in "best interests" is up to them. To think otherwise is self aggrandizing and patronizing.
abandonconflict
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londonfog
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Your stupid is showing
abandonconflict
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You're racist and privileged and white.
st0wandgrow
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And not a single one of you can address how Bernies platform wouldn't be beneficial to the black community.
- $15 minimum wage
- Medicare for all
- Free public university
- End the racist Clinton era mass incarceration
- Legalize weed
Tell me how those wouldn't benefit the African American community. You can't, so you avoid addressing the question and appeal to emotion, and hurl insults instead.
You same donkeys constantly talk about how sourthern whites vote against their own best interests (which they do) but if someone says the same thing about black people....OMGsss racism!
- $15 minimum wage
- Medicare for all
- Free public university
- End the racist Clinton era mass incarceration
- Legalize weed
Tell me how those wouldn't benefit the African American community. You can't, so you avoid addressing the question and appeal to emotion, and hurl insults instead.
You same donkeys constantly talk about how sourthern whites vote against their own best interests (which they do) but if someone says the same thing about black people....OMGsss racism!
londonfog
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you bleed like @schuylaar . Ask her why she never voted for Bernie. Muppet voting don't count
Justin-case
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abandonconflict
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The main problem most of us have with Bernard isn't Bernard, it's his bigoted ass supporters and namaste patchouli scented hippies who don't want to hear shit about racial issues. Besides, none of that shit addresses racism, it's a bunch of all-lives-matter in response to BLM. He utterly failed to engage or even acknowledge people struggling for equality during his fake ass inflatable campaign. It's just some post racial bullshit economics from a guy who tried to deceive us all into believing he was ever a socialist. Thanks for outing yourself as a racist blowhard.
