what reasons could be for way too long of flower

[Greenthumbskunk]

running some plants inside as well as outside this summer. The inside plants include girlscoutcookie forum cut. East coast sour Diesel, Strawberry Blue, iced grapefuit, G13, Oh Zone and a couple of my own breeding. Was flipped on April 26th. Was slow to show sex and slow to form buds. Bud never got very big and never achieved amber. Only was cloudy with some trichs clear about 50/50.
Leaves showed no signs of stress or deficiencies of any kind.
Bloomed under a couple of 1000's a couple of 600's and some LED's. Have an 8" fan exchanging air and have it air conditioning as well.
Pulled the GSC at 77 days on wednesday cause I was tired of looking at them and I need room pretty bad because I have plants that have been ready for a couple of weeks now to go into the flower room.
Strawberry blue looks like it is about halfway done at the slow rate it is going. The Sour D, G13, Oh Zone have no Ambers what so ever and little cloudy and mostly clear trichs.

Been feeding some Jacks bloom and hitting it every once in a while with some jacks 20/20/20 too keep the plant with plenty of nitrogen. my PPM I've been keeping it at around 250ppm at every watering. Fed a little bit of molasses as well once in a while. Got a shot of epsom salt as well a couple of times during watering.
plants have shown no stress related problems its just so slow of getting ready.
Same plants outside had no such problems of being a slow bloomer or low yields.

 

[Underground Scientist]

We're they still potted outside? Same nute schedule? You think maybe light stress?

 

[Underground Scientist]

What space were the lights in? That's 3200 watts, plus LEDs...that's a fuckload of light.

 

[chemphlegm]

ph, (fertilizer)locked up, stalled= fail.

 

[jarvild]

running some plants inside as well as outside this summer. The inside plants include girlscoutcookie forum cut. East coast sour Diesel, Strawberry Blue, iced grapefuit, G13, Oh Zone and a couple of my own breeding. Was flipped on April 26th. Was slow to show sex and slow to form buds. Bud never got very big and never achieved amber. Only was cloudy with some trichs clear about 50/50.
Leaves showed no signs of stress or deficiencies of any kind.
Bloomed under a couple of 1000's a couple of 600's and some LED's. Have an 8" fan exchanging air and have it air conditioning as well.
Pulled the GSC at 77 days on wednesday cause I was tired of looking at them and I need room pretty bad because I have plants that have been ready for a couple of weeks now to go into the flower room.
Strawberry blue looks like it is about halfway done at the slow rate it is going. The Sour D, G13, Oh Zone have no Ambers what so ever and little cloudy and mostly clear trichs.

Been feeding some Jacks bloom and hitting it every once in a while with some jacks 20/20/20 too keep the plant with plenty of nitrogen. my PPM I've been keeping it at around 250ppm at every watering. Fed a little bit of molasses as well once in a while. Got a shot of epsom salt as well a couple of times during watering.
plants have shown no stress related problems its just so slow of getting ready.
Same plants outside had no such problems of being a slow bloomer or low yields.

You'll wait forever for the G-13 to amber under HPS lighting, takes mine 12 weeks to start to show amber. Not what the plant was bred for. The g-13 should be taken with around 75% cloudy trichs. Unless you add some UV to help speed up the process.

 

[chemphlegm]

You'll wait forever for the G-13 to amber under HPS lighting, takes mine 12 weeks to start to show amber. Not what the plant was bred for. The g-13 should be taken with around 75% cloudy trichs. Unless you add some UV to help speed up the process.

thats the stuff I'm talking about. I use hps in flower and always seen G13 amber when past solid milk under them after70/75 days of flower.
There must be some other reason(s) growers are not seeing amber trichs at finish. I dont add any UV.
Do you augment your room with C02? feed to the end?
I see a few posters talking about no ambers, I bet we can compare rooms among them and get to the bottom of this.
Hundreds and hundreds of strains later and I never miss the amber ..if I let them go past ripe.

 

[jarvild]

thats the stuff I'm talking about. I use hps in flower and always seen G13 amber when past solid milk under them after70/75 days of flower.
There must be some other reason(s) growers are not seeing amber trichs at finish. I dont add any UV.
Do you augment your room with C02? feed to the end?
I see a few posters talking about no ambers, I bet we can compare rooms among them and get to the bottom of this.
Hundreds and hundreds of strains later and I never miss the amber ..if I let them go past ripe.

No co2, and i feed till the end although at a reduced rate. Right now I have a Blue dream and GG#4 at 70 days and they're still only 50/50 clear, cloudy without running my 10k finishing bulb. When i run them under the 10k they are usually done by day 65.

 

[chemphlegm]

No co2, and i feed till the end although at a reduced rate. Right now I have a Blue dream and GG#4 at 70 days and they're still only 50/50 clear, cloudy without running my 10k finishing bulb. When i run them under the 10k they are usually done by day 65.

I've played with this for a few years and found I can keep a marijuana plant flowering for a long time past its expected ripen date with only feeding changes , maybe this has something to do with it?
when a breeder says "finishes in 65 days" for example he's talking in his room with his habits. I've chatted with many of my fav's and tried to feed/light/schedule/habit as they do and thats when my results matched theirs. I learned they feed to the end for photo's or weight but their stash is not grown this way, and their stash finishes within the dates they state for me too.(solid white milky right before mass ambering)

 

[WeedFreak78]

I've played with this for a few years and found I can keep a marijuana plant flowering for a long time past its expected ripen date with only feeding changes , maybe this has something to do with it?

I found when I started running veg nutes up to the second week of flower, instead of changing over at the flip, it added a few days to the finish. I've also noticed in autos it seems the veg period can be prolonged with higher N feedings in veg and into the beginning of flower. All anecdotal, but seems to be consistent in my grows.

 

[jarvild]

I've played with this for a few years and found I can keep a marijuana plant flowering for a long time past its expected ripen date with only feeding changes , maybe this has something to do with it?
when a breeder says "finishes in 65 days" for example he's talking in his room with his habits. I've chatted with many of my fav's and tried to feed/light/schedule/habit as they do and thats when my results matched theirs. I learned they feed to the end for photo's or weight but their stash is not grown this way, and their stash finishes within the dates they state for me too.(solid white milky right before mass ambering)

Why would they grow different over what they sell and what is their stash?

 

[whitebb2727]

I've played with this for a few years and found I can keep a marijuana plant flowering for a long time past its expected ripen date with only feeding changes , maybe this has something to do with it?
when a breeder says "finishes in 65 days" for example he's talking in his room with his habits. I've chatted with many of my fav's and tried to feed/light/schedule/habit as they do and thats when my results matched theirs. I learned they feed to the end for photo's or weight but their stash is not grown this way, and their stash finishes within the dates they state for me too.(solid white milky right before mass ambering)

It makes sense that nutrients can effect flower time.

With autos veg formula to the end will grow bigger autos.

With photos it makes sense to me it would lengthen flower feeding til the end. People flush them and they start starving and the plant finishes faster in response. It goes oh shit, I'm out of food and needs to finish so seeds can survive even with no seeds.

 

[whitebb2727]

I found when I started running veg nutes up to the second week of flower, instead of changing over at the flip, it added a few days to the finish. I've also noticed in autos it seems the veg period can be prolonged with higher N feedings in veg and into the beginning of flower. All anecdotal, but seems to be consistent in my grows.

I concur with autos. I'm organic and don't run high P and K feeds or amendments. For photos and autos.

The higher N with autos I have noticed extended veg time and larger plants.

I've noticed it in the grow threads to. Flower nutes at first sign of sex will induce flower with autos.

 

[jarvild]

It makes sense that nutrients can effect flower time.

With autos veg formula to the end will grow bigger autos.

With photos it makes sense to me it would lengthen flower feeding til the end. People flush them and they start starving and the plant finishes faster in response. It goes oh shit, I'm out of food and needs to finish so seeds can survive even with no seeds.

If that was the case, why when I experimented with flushing plants for the last 4 weeks they finished in the same time as my fed plants.

 

[jarvild]

I concur with autos. I'm organic and don't run high P and K feeds or amendments. For photos and autos.

The higher N with autos I have noticed extended veg time and larger plants.

I've noticed it in the grow threads to. Flower nutes at first sign of sex will induce flower with autos.

All I do for flower is replace 30 ppm of N for 30 ppm of P running at 550 ppm.

 

[chemphlegm]

Why would they grow different over what they sell and what is their stash?

seed stock is seed stock. photo ops are photo ops. stash is stash. who said anything about selling? lol
what i mean is when they want stock for photo's there's some techniques for expressing photo + colors etc. longer flower times etc.
nothing wrong with that. the weed they grow to smoke themselves and with their buddies is not grown this way, its grown relaxed and allowed to express naturally if they grow organically, and many do.

I'm a provider that offers dozens of strains every week to my small group. I change it up all the time, hunt, select, and I've held plants back for myself and chose not to share. Nobody was without supply of course ever, but I've had my firsts of some frikken fire and I am the grower, thats how it goes man. about to post of yet another I was stingy with in another thread...lol

 

[chemphlegm]

If that was the case, why when I experimented with flushing plants for the last 4 weeks they finished in the same time as my fed plants.

they do finish at the same time, nothing speeds up proper finishing. but the plants' physiology is different than one that is only tapered naturally, compared to a typical flush, which kills beneficial bacteria and the fugal soil web right in the end times when some things are really important. I get it though, I've flushed, still good weed, just a different plant to me.

in hydro a 4 week flush will kill success. in dirt its subjective. how much water, how often, did soil dry out in between, how much organic material was the plant getting from the soil at the end, many factors are n play. nutrients are one of them, I can prolong flowering with strong nutrients at end flower, or a hot greenhouse spot, or jacked ph in a little hydro experiment for instance.

 

[jarvild]

Although I've cucked a lot of pollen in my years I don't consider myself a breeder per say. Maybe it's the years of struggling back in the 70's and early 80's trying to get bagseed of sativa's to finish in the timeframe of the midwest where i grow. So I have no problems sharing anything I have to other growers if it helps them out.

 

[jarvild]

My avatar is a 4 week water only plant in coir DTW.

 

[whitebb2727]

If that was the case, why when I experimented with flushing plants for the last 4 weeks they finished in the same time as my fed plants.

I don't know.

You call it an expierment show me the proper controls.

You also claim that fade is natural similar to fall leaves and its not. Its a defeincy.

Its silly to think that the same strains and cuts will finish at exactly at the same time under different conditions.

Did you run identical cuts? Even variations in phenotype will cause different finishing times in the same strain.

Breeder times are nothing more that an estimate.

With autos I am sure higher N and running veg nutes extend veg time along with a few other tricks.


I also know from guerilla growing that different temps as well as other variables effect flowering time.

 

[Greenthumbskunk]

I found when I started running veg nutes up to the second week of flower, instead of changing over at the flip, it added a few days to the finish. I've also noticed in autos it seems the veg period can be prolonged with higher N feedings in veg and into the beginning of flower. All anecdotal, but seems to be consistent in my grows.

That may be it for me then. I fed veg formula during stretch and a few times during flower to make sure the girls had plenty of food. None of the leaves have yellowed like usual.
What if i increased my ppm of bloom formula to say 900? And change hps bulb out for MH For 2 weeks