Mark Blyth, the economist who's making sense

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UncleBuck

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Padawanbater2 said:
I think he shelved it because single payer is getting a LOT of attention right now, next year the conversation will likely die down a little bit, or at least that's what he's banking on, enough to stifle it without as much opposition. It's the 'Cory Booker' defense, "c'mon guys, I totally support it, but it just wasn't complete... Otherwise I totally would have actually supported it when the time mattered...". If constituents keep the fire under his ass, you'll see him squirm just like Booker did when he realized he made the wrong choice in supporting the pharmaceutical industry over his own constituents.
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you guys are in a fucking cult.
 
Padawanbater2

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UncleBuck said:
how could anyone overlook the "millions in campaign contributions" by "opponents of single payer" which you have not cited or established whatsoever?

LOL
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Padawanbater2 said:
"Until Rendon’s move, things seemed to be looking up for Democratic single-payer proponents in deep blue California, which has been hammered by insurance premium increases. There, the Democratic Party — which originally created Medicare — just added a legislative supermajority to a Democratic-controlled state government that oversees the world’s sixth largest economy. That 2016 election victory came as a poll showed nearly two-thirds of Californians support the creation of a taxpayer-funded universal health care system in a state whose population is roughly the size of Canada — which already has such a system.

Since 2012, Rendon has taken in more than $82,000 from business groups and healthcare corporations that are listed in state documents opposed the measure, according to an International Business Times review of data amassed by the National Institute on Money In State Politics. In all, he has received more than $101,000 from pharmaceutical companies and another $50,000 from major health insurers.

In the same time, the California Democratic Party has received more than $1.2 million from the specific groups opposing the bill, and more than $2.2 million from pharmaceutical and health insurance industry donors. That includes a $100,000 infusion of cash from Blue Shield of California in the waning days of the 2016 election — just before state records show the insurer began lobbying against the single-payer bill.

In addition to the money given to Rendon, the groups opposing the single-payer measure have delivered more than $1.5 million to Democratic assembly members since the 2012 election cycle. In all, the 55 Democratic members of the 80-seat Assembly have received more than $2.7 million from donors in the pharmaceutical and health insurance industries in just the last three election cycles.

Complicating matters for this year’s single-payer bill was the fact that the pharmaceutical industry had just spent more than $100 million to defeat a 2016 ballot measure in California aimed at lowering drug prices. The wave of money was a powerful reminder that major industries opposed to single-payer have virtually unlimited resources to spend against California’s Democratic incumbents in the next election if those Democrats ultimately try to pass a bill."
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Padawanbater2

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UncleBuck said:
wow! the democratic party in ca got millions from the health industry, and they voted 23-1 in favor of single payer, thus proving they have all been corrupted by bribes!
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List the Democratic politicians who voted yes, then list how much money they received from the pharmaceutical industry and the insurance industry
 
UncleBuck

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Padawanbater2 said:
Quote it
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"In the same time, the California Democratic Party has received more than $1.2 million from the specific groups opposing the bill, and more than $2.2 million from pharmaceutical and health insurance industry donors. That includes a $100,000 infusion of cash from Blue Shield of California in the waning days of the 2016 election — just before state records show the insurer began lobbying against the single-payer bill.

In addition to the money given to Rendon, the groups opposing the single-payer measure have delivered more than $1.5 million to Democratic assembly members since the 2012 election cycle. In all, the 55 Democratic members of the 80-seat Assembly have received more than $2.7 million from donors in the pharmaceutical and health insurance industries in just the last three election cycles."


those dumb assholes spent millions and millions and millions of dollars and every democrat (except 1) flipped them the bird and voted for single payer anyway!
 
Padawanbater2

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Why would groups opposing enacting single payer healthcare donate millions of dollars to Democratic politicians who say they support enacting single payer healthcare?

Do you see anti-abortion groups donating to PP?

Private prison industry lobbyists donating to politicians who oppose the drug war?

NRA advocates donating to politicians who oppose the 2nd amendment?
 
Padawanbater2

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UncleBuck said:
"In the same time, the California Democratic Party has received more than $1.2 million from the specific groups opposing the bill, and more than $2.2 million from pharmaceutical and health insurance industry donors. That includes a $100,000 infusion of cash from Blue Shield of California in the waning days of the 2016 election — just before state records show the insurer began lobbying against the single-payer bill.

In addition to the money given to Rendon, the groups opposing the single-payer measure have delivered more than $1.5 million to Democratic assembly members since the 2012 election cycle. In all, the 55 Democratic members of the 80-seat Assembly have received more than $2.7 million from donors in the pharmaceutical and health insurance industries in just the last three election cycles."


those dumb assholes spent millions and millions and millions of dollars and every democrat (except 1) flipped them the bird and voted for single payer anyway!
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Too lazy to do the legwork?

List each of the Democratic politicians by name, then list how much in campaign contributions they received can be attributed to the pharmaceutical industry and the insurance industry

Be specific
 
UncleBuck

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Padawanbater2 said:
Too lazy to do the legwork?

List each of the Democratic politicians by name, then list how much in campaign contributions they received can be attributed to the pharmaceutical industry and the insurance industry

Be specific
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(1)-(23): some share of MILLIONS!, voted yes for single payer
(24): some share of MILLIONS!, voted no for single payer

DONE
 
Padawanbater2

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UncleBuck said:
i'm counting on you to tell me so you can illustrate exactly how the corruption bribery scheme works!
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How do you know any of the money received by the CA Democratic party from special interest groups representing the insurance and pharmaceutical industry went to anyone who voted to support the initiative to enact single payer?

I've listed Rendon's acceptances, and he voted against it. Do you have even a single person who voted in support who accepted the kinds of significant contributions he accepted? Any less?
 
ttystikk

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Padawanbater2 said:
How do you know any of the money received by the CA Democratic party from special interest groups representing the insurance and pharmaceutical industry went to anyone who voted to support the initiative to enact single payer?
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All dollars are the same, completely fungible. So there's no way to know one it hits the general fund, right?

That's the excuse that worked for the banksters in 2008, I'm sure it will work fine now.
 
UncleBuck

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Padawanbater2 said:
How do you know any of the money received by the CA Democratic party from special interest groups representing the insurance and pharmaceutical industry went to anyone who voted to support the initiative to enact single payer?

I've listed Rendon's acceptances, and he voted against it. Do you have even a single person who voted in support who accepted the kinds of significant contributions he accepted? Any less?
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so i guess they gave the millions of dollars all to the one guy who voted no, and not a single dollar to the 23 others who voted yes?

sure, why not. it's a cult, whatever we say is right now.
 
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