Universal Basic Income; 'bout time or batshit crazy?

Enigma

Enigma

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It was a joke, trying to make light.

We all know about the Nazis, hopefully we do. What most don't know is Henry Ford supported Hitler's cause, along with GE, GM, Texaco so on and so forth.

Does it upset you that American companies were selling products and fuel to Germany and Japan while the US government was at war with them?

It upsets me.

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StonerCol

StonerCol

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Enigma said:
It was a joke, trying to make light.

We all know about the Nazis, hopefully we do. What most don't know is Henry Ford supported Hitler's cause, along with GE, GM, Texaco so on and so forth.

Does it upset you that American companies were selling products and fuel to Germany and Japan while the US government was at war with them?

It upsets me.

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I'm a Brit so have a slightly different perspective. It upsets me that British companies are selling arms to the likes of Saudi Arabia so they can kill innocent people. These arms companies then commit fraud to get away with paying less taxes, all supported by our Conservative Party who take donations from said corporations.
 
ANC

ANC

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So, let us see. $767 000 000 000 / 326,474,013 (US population 2017)
=$2350 per capita.
So even if all that money gets repatriated and divided equally among everybody in the US, that pittance is not going to change anybody's life

It is not really the problem. Too many people are. Poor people are especially onerous as they often are uneducated as a result of things outside their control. (You don't get to choose your parents).
This has the result that they are not able to create much value and become a burden on the state and all its citizens.

It is thus imperative that we do all we can to educate all poor people out of poverty. This way they can uplift their parents. This will lead to a stronger, richer country for all.
We also need healthcare and mental health services for the same category of people as ill health, mental or physical may prevent them achieving their potential to enrich society.
 
esh dov ets

esh dov ets

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Enigma said:
It was a joke, trying to make light.

We all know about the Nazis, hopefully we do. What most don't know is Henry Ford supported Hitler's cause, along with GE, GM, Texaco so on and so forth.

Does it upset you that American companies were selling products and fuel to Germany and Japan while the US government was at war with them?

It upsets me.

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no you weren't and why make like of deathcamps , in order to promote your ideas. you also come off as disrespectful of people who would agree with you where you not attacking them.
 
Enigma

Enigma

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Paying taxes will enrich all of our lives, except for the 1%.

A Flat Tax would be the best, any monies spent get taxed. No more violation of the Fourth Amendment by the Internal Revenue Service.
 
esh dov ets

esh dov ets

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StonerCol said:
I'm a Brit so have a slightly different perspective. It upsets me that British companies are selling arms to the likes of Saudi Arabia so they can kill innocent people. These arms companies then commit fraud to get away with paying less taxes, all supported by our Conservative Party who take donations from said corporations.
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gun control is preventing the brits and american ect from selling these arms and arming the enimes of where our power interests reside.
 
esh dov ets

esh dov ets

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ANC said:
So, let us see. $767 000 000 000 / 326,474,013 (US population 2017)
=$2350 per capita.
So even if all that money gets repatriated and divided equally among everybody in the US, that pittance is not going to change anybody's life

It is not really the problem. Too many people are. Poor people are especially onerous as they often are uneducated as a result of things outside their control. (You don't get to choose your parents).
This has the result that they are not able to create much value and become a burden on the state and all its citizens.

It is thus imperative that we do all we can to educate all poor people out of poverty. This way they can uplift their parents. This will lead to a stronger, richer country for all.
We also need healthcare and mental health services for the same category of people as ill health, mental or physical may prevent them achieving their potential to enrich society.
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fuck money. divide the wealth and power

you can't educate the poor into wealth. capitalism needs a lower class.
 
esh dov ets

esh dov ets

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Enigma said:
Paying taxes will enrich all of our lives, except for the 1%.

A Flat Tax would be the best, any monies spent get taxed. No more violation of the Fourth Amendment by the Internal Revenue Service.
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that makes every dollar worth less and hurts the poor while being inadequate to solve the problems. Short of changing the distribution of power . taxing income and holdings over 500,00 a year and over a billion in hoarding. is the only fair and workable source for new money. or you take part of the military budget.
 
StonerCol

StonerCol

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ANC said:
So, let us see. $767 000 000 000 / 326,474,013 (US population 2017)
=$2350 per capita.
So even if all that money gets repatriated and divided equally among everybody in the US, that pittance is not going to change anybody's life

It is not really the problem. Too many people are. Poor people are especially onerous as they often are uneducated as a result of things outside their control. (You don't get to choose your parents).
This has the result that they are not able to create much value and become a burden on the state and all its citizens.

It is thus imperative that we do all we can to educate all poor people out of poverty. This way they can uplift their parents. This will lead to a stronger, richer country for all.
We also need healthcare and mental health services for the same category of people as ill health, mental or physical may prevent them achieving their potential to enrich society.
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I think you are missing several points. This amount of money is what's held by only the top 500 corporations. What about the remaining thousands of smaller, but still very wealthy, businesses who use the same strategy? The total will surely be massively higher. Bound to be in the Trillions of $'s.
If those taxes were paid it would be better not to split it up between individuals but have it invested in infrastructure/services. It could be used to start new businesses. It could be used to provide scholarships for poorer families etc.

It isn't about being too many people - the physical space is there for people to live - it's about a system that keeps people in poverty so that they work for very little to keep the top 1% in the lifestyle to which they've become accustomed. It's the system that needs fixing. It's the politicians who keep these corporations in this state of luxury so that they can feed off of each other.
 
SneekyNinja

SneekyNinja

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esh dov ets said:
no. i disagree that it should overtake existing forms of assistance. that was basically my thesis. read what i wrote i answered that.
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I can't help but disagree from an economics standpoint.

In the few places it was proposed/is planned it replaces all other forms of welfare.

If you gave people UBI and welfare inflation would skyrocket.

I know that's an argument used by right wingers against minimum wage increases but this is seperate and what you propose is insanity.
 
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