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JohnDoeTho
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Sounds like a curing problem. Is it still moist?
JohnDoeTho
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Did you maybe not flush it prior to harvest and you did in the past? Or change nutrient brand or add something? Spray for any pests?
leather lungs
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Don't roll it so tight
Roger A. Shrubber
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i'm pretty sure it doesn't have fuck all to do with flushing. it may feel dry, but have you put a rh meter in the jar with it?
JohnDoeTho
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I'm a noob I don't know what translates into not burning right other then moist. He said it wasn't moist so I was trying to open up the discussion and get ideas flowing. Sorry if I was leading in the wrong direction.
Roger A. Shrubber
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sorry, wasn't trying to be a prick, just that i'm getting tired of the flushing myth, get a little snappy about it sometimes
JohnDoeTho
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Hehe I've interacted with you in other threads I know your not an ass
TacoMac
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Definitely a curing issue. It may feel dry, but the inside may still be quite moist. Cure it another week and burp the jars every day in a low humidity setting and give it another go.
DirtyEyeball696
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Flush or continue to have black ash
& I can only imagine how many time you have to relight it
It's a wonder why people STILL don't get it after all these years. If you want pot to taste good YOU HAVE TO FLUSH THE NUTRIENTS OUT!
I know some of you pot growers are still in first grade and most don't care to graduate. Yes it's pot and everyone can grow it. But I won't say it again I'll let you Morons figure it out yourselves
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& I can only imagine how many time you have to relight it
It's a wonder why people STILL don't get it after all these years. If you want pot to taste good YOU HAVE TO FLUSH THE NUTRIENTS OUT!
I know some of you pot growers are still in first grade and most don't care to graduate. Yes it's pot and everyone can grow it. But I won't say it again I'll let you Morons figure it out yourselves
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Roger A. Shrubber
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ask any farmer about any crop on the planet. bring up the subject of "flushing" to clean a plant out. then take your handkerchief out and wipe the spittle off your face from where he laughed so hard at you it sprayed out.
the whole concept is beyond ridiculous, its flatly impossible. you can make any argument you want, you CAN'T show me any proof it works, because such proof doesn't exist. it's physiologically impossible.
take botany 1 and 2, read about mobile and immobile nutrients. read about nutrient transport through the phloem and xylem. use your mind for something besides a sponge to absorbs useless bro science with.
the whole concept is beyond ridiculous, its flatly impossible. you can make any argument you want, you CAN'T show me any proof it works, because such proof doesn't exist. it's physiologically impossible.
take botany 1 and 2, read about mobile and immobile nutrients. read about nutrient transport through the phloem and xylem. use your mind for something besides a sponge to absorbs useless bro science with.
Bear420
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Flushing is for Toilets Period, It does nothing different it's a wives' tale. when everyone here was talking about that years ago. I bought the medical bible, So it also say's that in there, So I tried it, Guess what, No difference at all period.
Roger is right on the money. Cure it better, Remember if your RH is high you have to let it dry for what may be weeks to get it cured proper. Once you get it cured proper it will smoke better and taste great.
Good Luck. and have a bit of patients when Curing your ERB.
Roger is right on the money. Cure it better, Remember if your RH is high you have to let it dry for what may be weeks to get it cured proper. Once you get it cured proper it will smoke better and taste great.
Good Luck. and have a bit of patients when Curing your ERB.
Kcbscrogger
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Just my 2cents.
DirtyEyeball696
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Keep listening to these idiots bro and you'll continue to smoke black ash. Hell yea bro I love the taste of phosphorus & potassium and it's super healthy for the lungs but I'll pass. Pump em bout 3.5 ec all the way till the end
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Bear420
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Calling People idiots without any Research will make you look like an idiot.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/the-truth-about-flushing.409622/page-2
I been doing this for longer than DE been around, Never have Black Ash.
Read the Post by RIU People that know what they're talking about, without Calling someone an Idiot.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/the-truth-about-flushing.409622/page-2
I been doing this for longer than DE been around, Never have Black Ash.
Read the Post by RIU People that know what they're talking about, without Calling someone an Idiot.
Bear420
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I would like to question the practicality of flushing for the last week. Actually, I am openly challenging the entire notion of it (hehe, just for a bit of fun) but seriously now... it’s in dire need of revisiting.
I will list some points that not only challenge the absurd impracticality and illogicality of this myth, but point out how the pseudoscience behind it is fundamentally flawed (as is all pseudoscience) and can be countered by what is known about basic plant biology.
1. Robbing plants of essential nutrients at any stage of their life cycle is NOT beneficial for growth. I challenge anyone to provide a single peer reviewed paper from a reputable journal that provides evidence suggesting otherwise.
2. If this was practical, wouldn’t you expect all big agricultural hydroponic growers adopt the same practice?
3. Plants take minerals into their tissues, from their roots via the treachery elements; i.e. xylem. Once these minerals are in the plant, they are there to stay, the plant does not expel them, unless it’s through senescence-driven abscission of leaf petioles. From the treachery elements nutrients are translocated into the phloem - the plant’s ‘blood supply’ - after being integrated into various biomolecules, or are used for various metabolic functions. Where is the logic in thinking the plant ‘uses’ these up in that last week of flushing, in order to avoid smoking them? All the N P K Fe Mg Ca etc. is still there.
4. For arguments sake say we counter the last point by suggesting these minerals in their ‘raw form’ will taste ‘hasher’ or ‘nastier’ in the form of pyrolytic breakdown products (formed when weed is burned) than artifacts of larger biomolecules of which these minerals/macro nutrients are now a part of, for example phosphorylated PO43-. Even if this was the case it still doesn’t correlate with the myth, as the transports steam in the treachery elements is measured in minutes not a week. i.e. a PO43- molecule does not wait around in these vessels for a week before subsequent translocation and modification.
5. If there was any truth to this myth, then plants grown in soil would always taste worse than plants grown in hydro. Why? Because obviously soil is not an inert medium you can flush for a week. And a plant CANNOT distinguish between a PO43- molecule that comes from soil from that of a PO43- molecule that comes from hydro solution (which also debunks another myth, but we’ll leave that one).
6. Are there studies that have conducted double blind trials to investigate if flushed weed tastes any ‘sweeter’ than unflushed weed. Again, need peer reviewed papers. And doesn’t have to be weed, can be strawberries or any other type of fruit.
7. What is the proposed mechanism to support this myth, and how is it consistent with fundamental plant biology.
8. How does starving the plant of food in the last week increase thc production in the trichome? Papers?
9. Given, under certain conditions stressed plants upregulate certain defence compounds, but they will almost certainly produce less inflorescence weight per watt of light. Growth is always retarded under stress - not promoted. Nutrient starvation is a form of stress. Looking for peer reviewed papers that suggest otherwise.
Those of you set in your ways, each to their own and best of luck to you. Those who are willing to change their views in light of new evidence, or lack thereof, be ready for increased yields by feeding those hungry ladies right up until the second you chop.
Do your own research, Curing is the most important thing, If he has Black Ash, that a problem he has I've never seen that except for some crappy hash I have seen.
Taken off THC farmer.
I will list some points that not only challenge the absurd impracticality and illogicality of this myth, but point out how the pseudoscience behind it is fundamentally flawed (as is all pseudoscience) and can be countered by what is known about basic plant biology.
1. Robbing plants of essential nutrients at any stage of their life cycle is NOT beneficial for growth. I challenge anyone to provide a single peer reviewed paper from a reputable journal that provides evidence suggesting otherwise.
2. If this was practical, wouldn’t you expect all big agricultural hydroponic growers adopt the same practice?
3. Plants take minerals into their tissues, from their roots via the treachery elements; i.e. xylem. Once these minerals are in the plant, they are there to stay, the plant does not expel them, unless it’s through senescence-driven abscission of leaf petioles. From the treachery elements nutrients are translocated into the phloem - the plant’s ‘blood supply’ - after being integrated into various biomolecules, or are used for various metabolic functions. Where is the logic in thinking the plant ‘uses’ these up in that last week of flushing, in order to avoid smoking them? All the N P K Fe Mg Ca etc. is still there.
4. For arguments sake say we counter the last point by suggesting these minerals in their ‘raw form’ will taste ‘hasher’ or ‘nastier’ in the form of pyrolytic breakdown products (formed when weed is burned) than artifacts of larger biomolecules of which these minerals/macro nutrients are now a part of, for example phosphorylated PO43-. Even if this was the case it still doesn’t correlate with the myth, as the transports steam in the treachery elements is measured in minutes not a week. i.e. a PO43- molecule does not wait around in these vessels for a week before subsequent translocation and modification.
5. If there was any truth to this myth, then plants grown in soil would always taste worse than plants grown in hydro. Why? Because obviously soil is not an inert medium you can flush for a week. And a plant CANNOT distinguish between a PO43- molecule that comes from soil from that of a PO43- molecule that comes from hydro solution (which also debunks another myth, but we’ll leave that one).
6. Are there studies that have conducted double blind trials to investigate if flushed weed tastes any ‘sweeter’ than unflushed weed. Again, need peer reviewed papers. And doesn’t have to be weed, can be strawberries or any other type of fruit.
7. What is the proposed mechanism to support this myth, and how is it consistent with fundamental plant biology.
8. How does starving the plant of food in the last week increase thc production in the trichome? Papers?
9. Given, under certain conditions stressed plants upregulate certain defence compounds, but they will almost certainly produce less inflorescence weight per watt of light. Growth is always retarded under stress - not promoted. Nutrient starvation is a form of stress. Looking for peer reviewed papers that suggest otherwise.
Those of you set in your ways, each to their own and best of luck to you. Those who are willing to change their views in light of new evidence, or lack thereof, be ready for increased yields by feeding those hungry ladies right up until the second you chop.
Do your own research, Curing is the most important thing, If he has Black Ash, that a problem he has I've never seen that except for some crappy hash I have seen.
Taken off THC farmer.