Could use some help to pin this problem down
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im4satori
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I am not one to be giving out too much advise about organic... ive only just started in it
but from what I understand and what Ive done with great results thus far
in soil you can feed them a low EC/ppm fertilizer like maxi bloom and follow it on the next watering with some tea to bring the biology up and that will offset whatever you may or may not have lost from the use of the chem fertilizer
if I was going to use the maxi ferts I would use 50/50 maxi grow and maxi bloom at 2.5 grams of each
that's perfectly balanced and doesn't require anything else
the potassium and calcium and magnesium ratios are 4:2:1 which is with in range
depending on your source water you might require no more than 1 to 2 mls calmag ..maybe! maybe not
that would be a full strength mix im guessing around EC 1.5 roughly
so if your growing in an organicly amended soil you could use it full strength or 50% every blue moon to make up for whats lacking and then follow it up with a tea
im4satori
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I was using fox farm ocean forest and being my first I couldn't anticipate how to organically amend there brand or its needs
I watered with EC 0.5 or less of a balanced fertilizer every 3rd watering and had to brew tea on the regular to get enough food during the last bloom
currently I just transplanted my 5 veg plants into my diy cooked soil a week or two ago and it seems to have plenty of food now with and might even be slightly hot
1 part compost 1 part peat 1 part perlite
I used 2 cups amendment mix and 1/2 cup lime and 1//2 cup oyster shell ....4cups rock dust and 1/2 cup azomite per cubic ft
the amendment mix was
2part kelp meal
1part crab
1part neem
1part alfalfa
1/2 part fish meal
I also soaked it in with hydrolyzed fish and it got some tea to speed up biology which might be why its slightly hot at the moment
I also sprinkled a half cup oats in it to gorw some fungi web
I watered with EC 0.5 or less of a balanced fertilizer every 3rd watering and had to brew tea on the regular to get enough food during the last bloom
currently I just transplanted my 5 veg plants into my diy cooked soil a week or two ago and it seems to have plenty of food now with and might even be slightly hot
1 part compost 1 part peat 1 part perlite
I used 2 cups amendment mix and 1/2 cup lime and 1//2 cup oyster shell ....4cups rock dust and 1/2 cup azomite per cubic ft
the amendment mix was
2part kelp meal
1part crab
1part neem
1part alfalfa
1/2 part fish meal
I also soaked it in with hydrolyzed fish and it got some tea to speed up biology which might be why its slightly hot at the moment
I also sprinkled a half cup oats in it to gorw some fungi web
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jensenbeach1
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Damn thats a good amount of perlite, we sent our well water in for testing still waiting for results. I was going to try to talk about it with the lady running it but they do large agricultural farms and I believe she realizes im not a tomato grower so I doubt she will want to sit down and help formulate a plan seeing though I dont have a tomato permit to obtain nutrients which they make commission off of. So you composted tea'd that often? We were thinking of a watering program like you described though people say compost teas dont have to be that often. Did you find amending to be fairly cheap?
Situation update.
This morning I decided to give another plain flush and pH is now reading between 5.5-6. I believe this is a good sign. After reading all the extra posts I'm inclined to make up a 20L/5.8Gal mix of the CMX/BLOOM/Epsom and give it one last flush to reset the balance. I guess my only question is. Should I use the suggested bloom mix that @im4satori mentioned on page 1 or should I half it?
I've made up the mix already but going to leave it for few hours before I pH test it. I'll be able to half/half mix it with plain pH'd water once its ready if I should be half feeding it but I take from all this reading I should be aiming to get the coco back to balance now that the pH is looking right.
again to everyone who has been feeding this discussion thank you for your time. It really is a massive help to myself and hopefully others reading along. I know I've learnt a lot this weekend!
This morning I decided to give another plain flush and pH is now reading between 5.5-6. I believe this is a good sign. After reading all the extra posts I'm inclined to make up a 20L/5.8Gal mix of the CMX/BLOOM/Epsom and give it one last flush to reset the balance. I guess my only question is. Should I use the suggested bloom mix that @im4satori mentioned on page 1 or should I half it?
I've made up the mix already but going to leave it for few hours before I pH test it. I'll be able to half/half mix it with plain pH'd water once its ready if I should be half feeding it but I take from all this reading I should be aiming to get the coco back to balance now that the pH is looking right.
again to everyone who has been feeding this discussion thank you for your time. It really is a massive help to myself and hopefully others reading along. I know I've learnt a lot this weekend!
Johnei
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I concur. Cut it 50/50 with plain water for now until you see improvement and the plants are back at 100% processing mode. Too little you can always up, Too much = headaches.
p.s. after all the flushing, make sure you leave them alone and only water again when they absolutely need it. Be afraid, be very afraid... to overwater.
So far so good I think. Since the flush on both plants 4 days ago I have not needed to water them at all. Even now the coco is just starting to dry off at the top but probably another day or two before I'll need to water.I concur. Cut it 50/50 with plain water for now until you see improvement and the plants are back at 100% processing mode. Too little you can always up, Too much = headaches.
p.s. after all the flushing, make sure you leave them alone and only water again when they absolutely need it. Be afraid, be very afraid... to overwater.
Plant health wise. They are looking pretty good. Week 5 of flowering today. Buds have been fattening up nicely the last 4 days and the yellowing looks like its stopped. I'll get some photos tonight after work and post them here.
Yeah thats what I was thinking as well.
I've also ordered an EC ppm pen. I think this is the kind of tool i shouldn't be without. Hopefully I get that next week.
im4satori
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Plant 1
Photos taken just now. Needed sun light to show true colours. The coco finally got dry enough last night so these photos are the morning after a good drink after 5 days of drying out.
One thing I've noticed on both is the fan leafs used to have purple stems but they seem to be going back to the normal green colour.
Week 5+2 days. They are smelling bloody amazing too.
Photos taken just now. Needed sun light to show true colours. The coco finally got dry enough last night so these photos are the morning after a good drink after 5 days of drying out.
One thing I've noticed on both is the fan leafs used to have purple stems but they seem to be going back to the normal green colour.
Week 5+2 days. They are smelling bloody amazing too.
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Photos taken just now. Needed sun light to show true colours. The coco finally got dry enough last night so these photos are the morning after a good drink after 5 days of drying out.
One thing I've noticed on both is the fan leafs used to have purple stems but they seem to be going back to the normal green colour.
Week 5+2 days. They are smelling bloody amazing too.
Photos taken just now. Needed sun light to show true colours. The coco finally got dry enough last night so these photos are the morning after a good drink after 5 days of drying out.
One thing I've noticed on both is the fan leafs used to have purple stems but they seem to be going back to the normal green colour.
Week 5+2 days. They are smelling bloody amazing too.
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im4satori
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looking good
1/4 tsp would be 1 gram per gallon?
I'm really happy with how they are looking a week on. Hoping that is the last of my drama for this lot and I can enjoy watching them grow for the last 4 or so week
SuperChef
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Hey ya'll I'm in need a lil advice on a diagnosis for my two clones. They're 5 weeks in and have taken a turn for the worse nutrient-wise. It's a 50% Coco 50% hydrostone grow with organic nutes from Meigs with Mammoth P. I'm following their feeding chart to the T and can't pinpoint what they're lacking. Within the past week all of the "green" is getting sapped from them and the two clones are yellowing. It's been difficult to pinpoint the issues. However the auto is doing just fine! (The two images are 7 days apart).
im4satori
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tell me the 3 npk numbers on each bottle and how many mls your mixing per gallon of each
SuperChef
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Still in veg phase all organic liquid nutes: Grow (N-2,P-2,K-1) @ 15ml/gal, the rest are just the amendments (root mass XL, Photo-max XL, Sul- CAL-Mag). I water with the nutes 1x/week, and the rest of the time is water ph'd to 6ph by apple cider vinegar 2x/week, watered to a little runoff.