Why do some have problems with people of different color

[Dr. Who]

HOLY SHIT!

This thread took a spin!

No man with a daughter can own enough shotguns!

So Rob Roy has short eye's eh?
FUCKING A!

I live rural, very rural. Out here it takes a longtime for the sheriff to show up. A deputy once said that, "Many problems can solved by local justice."

Hey Rob! Why don't you come on over here and touch someones under age daughter?

 

[Dr. Who]

Not attempting to move a goal post, just asking you to clarify your position.

Do you think a 13 year old can consent to sex with another 13 year old?

NO!

 

[Rob Roy]

NO!

Well, that was an emphatic NO, Dr. Who.

About which age would you say you developed the mental capacity to provide consent in a generic way?

Would you say that age is universal or would you say it might vary from person to person?

 

[Dr. Who]

Well, that was an emphatic NO, Dr. Who.

About which age would you say you developed the mental capacity to provide consent in a generic way?

Would you say that age is universal or would you say it might vary from person to person?

Many years ago the people lived in a world where life and death happened in the home. Life expectancy was in the later 40's and someone in their 50's was really old....."children" were married and having kids by that time. They had real world knowledge and little education. They had been working for a cpl of years by then. That was society just a cpl of centuries ago. It was how things were.

Now 200 years later we have vast knowledge of how things work, including how children's brains and bodies develop. We educate (or try to) our children. Don't you remember when you were 18? Knew everything and had the real answers to the problems?

Do you still believe those views now? I'll bet not for the majority....

How can you even suggest that a 13 year old knows whats right for them? Talk about lacking actual ability to understand the real consequences of their actions!

There are (sadly) plenty at 18 that lack that "mental capacity" to make an honest and informed choice on that topic!

WAIT A MINUTE!

Just how old are you?

 

[Rob Roy]

Many years ago the people lived in a world where life and death happened in the home. Life expectancy was in the later 40's and someone in their 50's was really old....."children" were married and having kids by that time. They had real world knowledge and little education. They had been working for a cpl of years by then. That was society just a cpl of centuries ago. It was how things were.

Now 200 years later we have vast knowledge of how things work, including how children's brains and bodies develop. We educate (or try to) our children. Don't you remember when you were 18? Knew everything and had the real answers to the problems?

Do you still believe those views now? I'll bet not for the majority....

How can you even suggest that a 13 year old knows whats right for them? Talk about lacking actual ability to understand the real consequences of their actions!

There are (sadly) plenty at 18 that lack that "mental capacity" to make an honest and informed choice on that topic!

WAIT A MINUTE!

Just how old are you?

I'm eleven.

Now, after you stop conflating things, maybe you could answer my questions like a mature adult?

To be clear, I have not suggested or said what you imply, nor do I endorse kids and adults doing the nasty as I have a bias against that. I have merely observed that not all people reach mental and physical maturity at the same time. Would you agree with that or not?


As an aside, this whole topic started as a part of a generic debate / conversation on what constitutes consent and who can give it.

 

[Dr. Who]

I'm eleven.

Now, after you stop conflating things, maybe you could answer my questions like a mature adult?

To be clear, I have not suggested or said what you imply, nor do I endorse kids and adults doing the nasty as I have a bias against that. I have merely observed that not all people reach mental and physical maturity at the same time. Would you agree with that or not?


As an aside, this whole topic started as a part of a generic debate / conversation on what constitutes consent and who can give it.

Agree.

Age of consent is a firebrand and toxic topic. My point is that even at 18, many to most, still have no real "complete" ability to even see all the possible life changing issues involved. I find it difficult at best to even debate setting an "age of consent" for LIKE age "children" to make that decision.

All the talks with my boys about "sex",,, and consent. Paved the way for them to "see" the results from their friends and their activities. They took what they were told. Combined that with what they saw, and have decided to be in no hurry to "score". THAT is choice by education! My youngest says, "Dad, you and mom said that it's not a "game" and that every "score" comes with "baggage." You were right. His brother has the same feelings but is less open about them.

To different persons. - Finding the same conclusion, by wisdom from education.
I guess my boys developed actual mental maturity earlier then most.

As for any teen "consent" to sex with any adult over 21? I say set that limit at 21 and leave it there! If your over 21 and having sex with someone in their teens. That's going to be "exploitation" in a disturbing percentage!

That's how I feel on that....no amount of debate will change my mind - so don't try......it will be ignored...

 

[Rob Roy]

Agree.

Age of consent is a firebrand and toxic topic. My point is that even at 18, many to most, still have no real "complete" ability to even see all the possible life changing issues involved. I find it difficult at best to even debate setting an "age of consent" for LIKE age "children" to make that decision.

All the talks with my boys about "sex",,, and consent. Paved the way for them to "see" the results from their friends and their activities. They took what they were told. Combined that with what they saw, and have decided to be in no hurry to "score". THAT is choice by education! My youngest says, "Dad, you and mom said that it's not a "game" and that every "score" comes with "baggage." You were right. His brother has the same feelings but is less open about them.

To different persons. - Finding the same conclusion, by wisdom from education.
I guess my boys developed actual mental maturity earlier then most.

As for any teen "consent" to sex with any adult over 21? I say set that limit at 21 and leave it there! If your over 21 and having sex with someone in their teens. That's going to be "exploitation" in a disturbing percentage!

That's how I feel on that....no amount of debate will change my mind - so don't try......it will be ignored...

Thank you for your reasonably toned response.

You, like everyone else who is capable of making their own choices about their own life should not be prevented from doing so.

 

[Dr. Who]

Thank you for your reasonably toned response.

You, like everyone else who is capable of making their own choices about their own life should not be prevented from doing so.

AGREED again.

 

[dagwood45431]

Just how old are you?

Gilligan's Island is his go-to cultural reference, so old as dirt.

 

[Rob Roy]

Gilligan's Island is his go-to cultural reference, so old as dirt.

 

[Drowning-Man]

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[dagwood45431]

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I guess Gilligan's Island is still current in some areas.

I stand corrected. It's possible you're young and your reference came from the fairly contemporary Fire Island version (not that there's anything wrong with that).

 

[Los Reefersaurus]

I do have a problem with people of different colors, but I also have a problem with people of the same color, I guess I just have a problem with people. I guess that most rational people would, like have you met people? they are horrible. -Arthur Dent (probably)

 

[srh88]

You are lame. Here let me refute your post.


I have no objection to people of any race interacting on the basis they mutually chose. If one party or the other prefers not to interact, are you saying it is okay to pursue an interaction with an unwilling participant...like a rapist does?


If taxation isn't theft and all people should have equal rights as individuals and you and I have no right to tax (steal) another person, where could anybody else possibly acquire a right you or I don't have?

You consent to every tax you pay.. from your job you signed a 1099 or a w2, w4.. your home you agreed to pay when you signed. School taxes same as when you signed for your house.. sales tax when you moved to the area. So are you really being raped here?

"Fuck me!"
Ok.....
"That's rape you raped me!"

 

[Rob Roy]

You consent to every tax you pay.. from your job you signed a 1099 or a w2, w4.. your home you agreed to pay when you signed. School taxes same as when you signed for your house.. sales tax when you moved to the area. So are you really being raped here?

"Fuck me!"
Ok.....
"That's rape you raped me!"

Not sure if you're fucking with me or you really are that stupid. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not very bright, so I'll straighten you out...

The preexistence of an imposed tax or even the payment of it does not by itself constitute "agreement".

The presence of duress is what you have failed to consider.

For instance if you offered to sell me something you value for $10 and I countered at $9.50 and you accepted and we exchanged your item for my money we would have made a mutual agreement. A real agreement, no duress involved.

In the same circumstance if I had said in response to your offer , "hey dick head, I'm going to give you $1 and you'll like it or I'll punch you in your ugly face" and you took my "offer" to prevent me from harming you, it wouldn't really have been a valid agreement due to the duress you were under, would it?

 

[dagwood45431]

Not sure if you're fucking with me or you really are that stupid. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not very bright, so I'll straighten you out...

The preexistence of an imposed tax or even the payment of it does not by itself constitute "agreement".

The presence of duress is what you have failed to consider.

For instance if you offered to sell me something you value for $10 and I countered at $9.50 and you accepted and we exchanged your item for my money we would have made a mutual agreement. A real agreement, no duress involved.

In the same circumstance if I had said in response to your offer , "hey dick head, I'm going to give you $1 and you'll like it or I'll punch you in your ugly face" and you took my "offer" to prevent me from harming you, it wouldn't really have been a valid agreement due to the duress you were under, would it?

Oh, shit. He's winding up for another of his patented "X is an Oxymoron" arguments. I think I'll sit this one out.

 

[Rob Roy]

Oh, shit. He's winding up for another of his patented "X is an Oxymoron" arguments. I think I'll sit this one out.

Almost. I'm not big on patents or the concept of intellectual property. One of the few areas I part ways with Lysander Spooner.

 

[srh88]

Not sure if you're fucking with me or you really are that stupid. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not very bright, so I'll straighten you out...

The preexistence of an imposed tax or even the payment of it does not by itself constitute "agreement".

The presence of duress is what you have failed to consider.

For instance if you offered to sell me something you value for $10 and I countered at $9.50 and you accepted and we exchanged your item for my money we would have made a mutual agreement. A real agreement, no duress involved.

In the same circumstance if I had said in response to your offer , "hey dick head, I'm going to give you $1 and you'll like it or I'll punch you in your ugly face" and you took my "offer" to prevent me from harming you, it wouldn't really have been a valid agreement due to the duress you were under, would it?

You signed a contract.. how is that not agreeing?.. are you fucking stupid?.. under duress too? Lol rent and work under the table if you don't want to pay taxes. You need to up your meds

 

[Rob Roy]

You signed a contract.. how is that not agreeing?.. are you fucking stupid?.. under duress too? Lol rent and work under the table if you don't want to pay taxes. You need to up your meds

Certainly it is important to keep our contractual agreements. But your own words return to prove your error.

Can you show me the contracts where each and every person who has a tax forcibly imposed on them, signed it free of any duress?

No, you can't.


We agree on the meds. I am going to spin up some Sky Walker Kush in a moment or two.

 

[srh88]

Certainly it is important to keep our contractual agreements. But your own words return to prove your error.

Can you show me the contracts where each and every person who has a tax forcibly imposed on them, signed it free of any duress?

No, you can't.


We agree on the meds. I am going to spin up some Sky Walker Kush in a moment or two.

i wasnt under duress... if i was id just move to somewhere taxes dont exist instead of crying about it on a pot forum everyday.
i bet those tax free places also have no age of consent... you should look into it