Topdawg Genetics

Gu~ said:
Topdawg Seeds reign is over. The Chem Crown has been passed down to the rightful heir.

Greenpoint Seeds.

Long overdue.
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lol. I feel like I missed some juicy Drama.

I'm lookin at the California Cannon, any general-ish timeline for a restock on those?
 
Gu~ said:
Topdawg Seeds reign is over. The Chem Crown has been passed down to the rightful heir.

Greenpoint Seeds.

Long overdue.
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Ya know. I really love Greenpoint Seeds, the work you're doing, the deals, and outstanding customer service. I know its not for me to say, but I think you're doing yourself a huge disservice by mudding up another breeders thread.
JMHO.
 
Yeah it is unless (jj) he can focus and get his gear in line
Too many crosses too many Males
Narrow it down focus on the main line up
I've been reading for a while (2am)
From what I've read most of the Chem lines are suffering
BX to original f1s and renew the genes
Or chem faces extinction
 
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I'm no cannabis breeder but after 6 years working with Cargill, hunter grain, pro seed agrisources, I've watched a lot of proud vegi,sunflower,and canola heirloom prize winning strains die.
What gu did was important but jj knows what's going down and has put a lot of focus on non chem genetics
Right now it would take a geneticist to fix this mess
 
That being said @Gu~ do you have enough genetic variation to maintain this line?
There were only 11 original seeds in chems bag
The clock is ticking they knew it when they outcrossed to affie, they knew it when they out crossed to Nl sk va
Genetic depression is inevitable without knowing what chems parents are
 
Inbreeding Depression
With some exceptions, inbreeding reduces offspring fitness in essentially all naturally outcrossing plants and to a lesser extent in selfing species. The negative effects of mating between relatives have been noticed for many centuries. The careful breeding studies of Darwin (1876) first empirically demonstrated inbreeding depression in a wide variety of taxa. The negative effects of inbreeding have since been observed in both outcrossing and selfing species for a variety of traits with consequences for offspring fitness (Charlesworth and Charlesworth 1987, Keller and Waller 2002). Examples of traits shown to be subjects to inbreeding depression include pollen quantity, number of ovules, amount of seed, germination rate, growth rate and competitive ability (Keller and Waller 2002, Frankham et al. 2003). Genetic models have been developed to functionally explain reduction in fitness-related traits caused by inbreeding.

http://www.as.wvu.edu/~kgarbutt/QuantGen/Gen535_2_2004/Inbreeding_Plants.htm
 
Gu~ said:
Topdawg Seeds reign is over. The Chem Crown has been passed down to the rightful heir.

Greenpoint Seeds.

Long overdue.
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I have your black gold .going to get gunslinger and a few more. Much respect to you too. Gu much love and if I start to breed myself I can only hope to do it as nice as you .
 
morgwar said:
Yeah it is unless (jj) he can focus and get his gear in line
Too many crosses too many Males
Narrow it down focus on the main line up
I've been reading for a while (2am)
From what I've read most of the Chem lines are suffering
BX to original f1s and renew the genes
Or chem faces extinction
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This is where if I can find some outstanding plants out of jjs stock I have then cross them to my mr nice hazes then we will have some good stock for people to play with
 
Tangerine_ said:
Ya know. I really love Greenpoint Seeds, the work you're doing, the deals, and outstanding customer service. I know its not for me to say, but I think you're doing yourself a huge disservice by mudding up another breeders thread.
JMHO.
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Mudding up is just a load of shit sorry. What gu said is the truth. He's part of the community, he serves all of us well with primo genetics at appropriate prices. Who the fuck want a to pay top dawg seeds 300 dollars for a pack of beans that you might find dank in, but most likely not cause it's been so ibreed and whatnot. As has been discussed in the last few posts. Is there fire to be found in jjs gear? Yes, but you have a better chance in gus gear now imho. And for a better price. Not to mention top dawg crew is never posting on any forums I know of. What a lad.
 
Maybe jj could come explain to us what his future goals are with the company. Oh wait... He's just hail Mary crossing anything he can to see what pops up to charge us big bucks for .
 
SensiPuff said:
Mudding up is just a load of shit sorry. What gu said is the truth. He's part of the community, he serves all of us well with primo genetics at appropriate prices. Who the fuck want a to pay top dawg seeds 300 dollars for a pack of beans that you might find dank in, but most likely not cause it's been so ibreed and whatnot. As has been discussed in the last few posts. Is there fire to be found in jjs gear? Yes, but you have a better chance in gus gear now imho. And for a better price. Not to mention top dawg crew is never posting on any forums I know of. What a lad.
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Its not a load of shit. And anyone that reads back thru these pages knows I've had my fair share of "issues" with JJs gear. I've run a few of JJs strains and I'm running Gu~s and JJs both right now. You aren't posting a single thing that isn't already known! Its no secret Gu is absolutely killing it. He doesn't need to crown himself. His customers will do it for him.

I'm just posting my opinion regarding the individual threads (which Gu emailed me regarding and posted his reasons for leaving that post here. (judging by the responses...he was absolutely right on the money, LOL) I'll just leave it at that. If he wants to come back and posts about his intentions behind it that's up to him to do.

My point was simple really. Humility goes along fucking way in this game. Besides, most people are sick to death of breeders beefs....but I guess there will always be those that relish in the drama. It is what it is. Carry on.....
 
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