Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician in the US

ttystikk

ttystikk

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LSD-25 said:
Im quoting what YOU said you dumb shit...did you forget already that you threatened to call the cops on me?
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Can't keep a lie straight. Maybe you shouldn't have done so much LSD-25?

You vote for fascists yet freak out when someone wishes you a dose of your own medicine?

And then you say you wanna 'meet' me? You'd rather resort to veiled threats of violence because your politics suck and you can't stand to be shown up as a fraud in an open debate?

SNOWFLAKE ALERT!

Cry me a river is reaching flood of tears stage!
 
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fdd2blk

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ttystikk said:
Can't keep a lie straight. Maybe you shouldn't have done so much LSD-25?

You vote for fascists yet freak out when someone wishes you a dose of your own medicine?

And then you say you wanna 'meet' me? You'd rather resort to veiled threats of violence because your politics suck and you can't stand to be shown up as a fraud in an open debate?

SNOWFLAKE ALERT!

Cry me a river is reaching flood of tears stage!
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Another lonely Friday night for you, eh?
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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UncleBuck said:
now you're just in the "spamming rawn pawl videos" mode. it's unhealthy.

bernie is done. too old. needs to go away.
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Sanders is already the de-facto leader of the Democratic party. 61% approval nationwide while "the Democratic Party is viewed as more out of touch than either Trump or the party’s political opponents. Two-thirds of Americans think the Democrats are out of touch — including nearly half of Democrats themselves." You want to continue with a losing political strategy that will ensure Republican control of government. Sanders is popular for a reason; because people like the policy positions he espouses. That must really upset you. Who would have thought, people would support a higher quality of care at a lower national cost healthcare system? Or that they might be able to send their kids to college without going bankrupt or spending a fortune? Or that the choice to get an abortion should be between a woman and her family, not the government? Or that people shouldn't be locked up for using drugs.. just crazy, right?

The first confrontation between both Democratic factions is going to be epic and the results are going to speak for themselves. So I hope your side comes prepared, you're going to lose in the marketplace of ideas because the things I support are more popular with voters than the things you support. I hope you enjoy whatever sliver of power you think you have left. You won't have it much longer.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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UncleBuck said:
now you're just in the "spamming rawn pawl videos" mode. it's unhealthy.

bernie is done. too old. needs to go away.
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Your endless ad hominem attacks are boring and meaningless.

I do wish there was a Democratic party with fresh ideas, but it's been a pale shadow of the Republican party for most of my life and I'm done waiting for them to pull their heads out.

Show me a Democrat with the same policy positions as Bernie Sanders and I'll vote for him.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Padawanbater2 said:
Sanders is already the de-facto leader of the Democratic party. 61% approval nationwide while "the Democratic Party is viewed as more out of touch than either Trump or the party’s political opponents. Two-thirds of Americans think the Democrats are out of touch — including nearly half of Democrats themselves." You want to continue with a losing political strategy that will ensure Republican control of government. Sanders is popular for a reason; because people like the policy positions he espouses. That must really upset you. Who would have thought, people would support a higher quality of care at a lower national cost healthcare system? Or that they might be able to send their kids to college without going bankrupt or spending a fortune? Or that the choice to get an abortion should be between a woman and her family, not the government? Or that people shouldn't be locked up for using drugs.. just crazy, right?

The first confrontation between both Democratic factions is going to be epic and the results are going to speak for themselves. So I hope your side comes prepared, you're going to lose in the marketplace of ideas because the things I support are more popular with voters than the things you support. I hope you enjoy whatever sliver of power you think you have left. You won't have it much longer.
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It could be Sanders or it could be someone else. What's amazing is that only Sanders is talking about the issues I care about from my point of view.

Why hasn't the rest of the Democratic Party stolen his script yet? The absence of Democrats following his footsteps is telling, and instead they say things I don't like and won't vote for.
 
Justin-case

Justin-case

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ttystikk said:
It could be Sanders or it could be someone else. What's amazing is that only Sanders is talking about the issues I care about from my point of view.

Why hasn't the rest of the Democratic Party stolen his script yet? The absence of Democrats following his footsteps is telling, and instead they say things I don't like and won't vote for.
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The only issue I'm concerned with, at the moment, is getting Trump out of the white house via impeachment. Then we can focus on a honest progressive movement.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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ttystikk said:
Your endless ad hominem attacks are boring and meaningless.
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That's the part I fail to grasp probably the most out of it all. As if attacking me personally will somehow change the legitimacy of my arguments. He was upset earlier he couldn't find a shirtless photo of me I'd posted to shame me (I'm assuming), apparently not realizing the ridiculousness of trying to shame someone for something they posted.. I had a legitimate laugh on that one..

What's sad is his sycophants have absorbed every word he's said, a couple even resorting to the same kind of pointless tactics as him. People I formerly respected. If you're someone who believes having a different political viewpoint warrants personal attacks, I don't want to associate with you in any way. You're a fanatic and I'll beat you on the political battlefield.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Padawanbater2 said:
That's the part I fail to grasp probably the most out of it all. As if attacking me personally will somehow change the legitimacy of my arguments. He was upset earlier he couldn't find a shirtless photo of me I'd posted to shame me (I'm assuming), apparently not realizing the ridiculousness of trying to shame someone for something they posted.. I had a legitimate laugh on that one..

What's sad is his sycophants have absorbed every word he's said, a couple even resorting to the same kind of pointless tactics as him. People I formerly respected. If you're someone who believes having a different political viewpoint warrants personal attacks, I don't want to associate with you in any way. You're a fanatic and I'll beat you on the political battlefield.
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It's another example of the left side of political discourse aping the worst of the right wing.

We need to have discussions on the ISSUES, not on the personalities, not on the side of campaign war chests and certainly not championing the points of view their corporate minders have given them.

That said, I have no problem with large corporations. They just need to stay out of politics, lest they destroy us all in the name of quarterly profits.
 
Padawanbater2

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ttystikk said:
It could be Sanders or it could be someone else. What's amazing is that only Sanders is talking about the issues I care about from my point of view.

Why hasn't the rest of the Democratic Party stolen his script yet? The absence of Democrats following his footsteps is telling, and instead they say things I don't like and won't vote for.
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I agree, the candidate we run next time doesn't have to be Sanders, I would support anyone with the same message and same veracity about campaign finance reform and universal healthcare.

They haven't stolen his script because they can't be on record making claims that they support things like universal healthcare because when it eventually comes up for a vote, they'd have to stick to their commitment or be outed as a liar on record, and they'd surely be voted out the next cycle. So they have to keep it vague and say they support the ACA, and that we can't go back on progress, blah blah. It's interesting to watch a room full of progressives boo their representative when they say they don't support universal healthcare.
 
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ttystikk

ttystikk

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Padawanbater2 said:
I agree, the candidate we run next time doesn't have to be Sanders, I would support anyone with the same message and same veracity about campaign finance reform and universal healthcare.

They haven't stolen his script because they can't be on record making claims that they support things like universal healthcare because when it comes eventually comes up for a vote, they'd have to stick to their commitment or be outed as a liar on record, and they'd surely be voted out the next cycle. So they have to keep it vague and say they support the ACA, and that we can't go back on progress, blah blah. It's interesting to watch a room full of progressives boo their representative when they say they don't support universal healthcare.
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Someone will break ranks eventually. That's what I keep telling myself, anyway.
 
Justin-case

Justin-case

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Padawanbater2 said:
I agree, the candidate we run next time doesn't have to be Sanders, I would support anyone with the same message and same veracity about campaign finance reform and universal healthcare.

They haven't stolen his script because they can't be on record making claims that they support things like universal healthcare because when it comes eventually comes up for a vote, they'd have to stick to their commitment or be outed as a liar on record, and they'd surely be voted out the next cycle. So they have to keep it vague and say they support the ACA, and that we can't go back on progress, blah blah. It's interesting to watch a room full of progressives boo their representative when they say they don't support universal healthcare.
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I would support a Constitutional amendment that made healthcare a right
 
Padawanbater2

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ttystikk said:
It's another example of the left side of political discourse aping the worst of the right wing.

We need to have discussions on the ISSUES, not on the personalities, not on the side of campaign war chests and certainly not championing the points of view their corporate minders have given them.

That said, I have no problem with large corporations. They just need to stay out of politics, lest they destroy us all in the name of quarterly profits.
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Same here, some people think progressives hate corporations. I simply want them to stop fucking around with our democracy. You do that, do whatever the fuck you like in accordance with the law.

Establishment Democrats will avoid policy at all cost because they know they lose on the issues. They don't support universal healthcare, we do - they lose. They don't support universal college, we do - they lose. Healthcare, education, taxes, campaign finance reform, paid vacation time and paid maternity leave, ending the drug war, etc... They would rather call a guy with a better record on race than Clinton "racist" and more female donors than Clinton a "sexist" :gasp!:..

Fuckin' amateurs.
 
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