Can anyone tell me whats happened to my seedlings?

[Larry Bovvah]

Hey guys, A brand new grower here!

Been a member here for a month or so just doing some looking around, now is the time where i need to speak up and introduce myself and ask for your help!

I've just made an attempt to my first grow but something is throwing me a bit here....

I got 2 strains here, 2 x Royal Queen Northern Lights Auto, and 2 x Barney's Farm Blue Cheese Auto.

The NL seem to be going ok, one is a bit small but these have only been awake for 4-6 days, both of the BC seedlings look extremely close to death if not already... But why? I treated them all exactly the same and one strain died, other one is ok...

So I pre soaked the rapid rooters in ph 5.8-6.0 (going off dropper ph kit) after adding the correct about of rapid rooter first feed i got in the propagation kit, squeezed out excess water and popped in the seeds.

Put them in the humidity dome and left them for about 2 days.. in 2 days 3 out of 4 were up, only 1 x northern lights stayed in for another 2 days before saying hi..

By the next day i checked the sponges and newbie style, felt they needed a little moisture (newbie style also) watered them by syringe only about 1ml each.

I left the dome off that light cycle with the T5 x2 24w light about 10 inches from the seedlings. The next day the sponges were in need of moisture, but i thought i remembered reading somewhere that i should start with my nutrients now they're all up and make it very weak. I used about half of the recommended dosage for week 1 - According to House & Garden Feeding Schedule.

Watered them with about 1.5ml each this time. The next day the 2 x barleys farm looked like the false leaves were a bit crook, googled and googled but couldn't find any answers for a couple of seedlings that looked like this.

I will post a few pics below, the ones that look ok are NL of course, the ones that look like shit are obviously the Barney's Blue Cheese..

I should also mention that I used Roots Excelerator by House & Garden as directed by them at 0.3ml/L

Temps about 25-28C

Having not coming up with anything, i had the bright idea to flush them with Ph'd RO water as I thought all it could be is the nutrients...? After this was done I removed the excess water in the tray and gently squeezed the rooters (avoiding any roots). The bigger NL grew overnight but the other Barney's BC just looked like crusty dead seedlings...

I know how I've written this is a bit all over the place, but if you could forgive me as Im a little baked.

Maybe some of you gurus can tell me what went wrong, also give me any tips?

Cheers Guys.

 

[Larry Bovvah]

Also the lights are running 18/6 and have been getting 100% darkness when off.

 

[chemphlegm]

I've never ph'd rapid rooters.
after first dunk/squeeze I add nothing
until I see a dry hard top of the rooter
I never add any nutrients to the rooters/seedlings
I get near 100% healthy plants this way
starting with a washed seed and soak till I see a crack, sometimes over night.
with wet hands I pour the cracked seeds into a puddle in my palm and place one per
damp rooter.
could be any other deviation of yours, bad seed, damaged root, my guess is over watered/ph snafu

 

[Larry Bovvah]

Thanks for your reply Chem. I just planted 2 more the last 2 last night so ill do what you said there (unfortunately i did already ph the RO water to about 5.8 - 6.

At what point do you remove the dome completely? do you open the vents first or just straight off..?

 

[mr buddy]

I've never domed any seed I wet paper tissue on a plate place them on it and wet tissue on top then place another plate on top to create a dome and leave in a dark warm place checking tissue each day and spray with water if drying . once tap root as shown I place in a pot of compost about an inch under .then leave them in a warm room with a light on .. once the break surface I leave them in the same romm a few days and water . then I add them to my tent . never had one fail

 

[chemphlegm]

Thanks for your reply Chem. I just planted 2 more the last 2 last night so ill do what you said there (unfortunately i did already ph the RO water to about 5.8 - 6.
At what point do you remove the dome completely? do you open the vents first or just straight off..?

only incidental, but my seedlings are put with my rooting clones, same dome. vents wide open.
be better if separated but if they dont like it they're welcome to complain and I havent heard a peep.
seedlings show a root outside of the rooter quick and they get put into promix at that time like my clones.

they get watered as needed with the same 50 degree well water everybody gets here. I begin feed and transplant again when roots roots twirl up at the bottom of the 1st transplant cup

 

[Supramanrz]

You fed your ladies looking as little as they are? I didn't give mine first bit of nutrients till about 2 weeks after sprouting. Typically they have their 2nd set of 3 tier leaves by this time. I would assume your shriveled ones have been cooked by the nutes

Here is the size that I added my first dose of nutes, about 400-500ppm

Ps. The stragglers ladies in the back are just sitting in a bucket... no nutes yet lol

 

[kratos015]

So they're only a week old then? Did they look shriveled up like that before you put nutes in or no? Aside from the two babies that look shriveled up, the others look pretty standard to me.

The shriveling and yellowing make me thing nute burn, although it's also possible the seeds were just crap also. The NL seem fine with the problem only in the BC, so either your BC seeds were just crap or the BC is more finicky than the NL. I wouldn't give them nutes until their 3rd true leaf set at the earliest. Don't trip if it seems like things aren't happening quick enough, seedlings take quite a bit of time to get developed at first. Gotta wait on that root growth before you start seeing much above

 

[Larry Bovvah]

Cheers guys, I feel it's really only one of 2 things too, me doing something wrong or a couple of crappy seeds. Thinking more the former now I've seen everyone not touch notes for at least 2 weeks. What a shame I didn't ask this question before I burned them...
Seeds took forever to get here and I should have been more careful. Hopefully I can get the feel of reading these things and get them all the way to harvest. Would be nice to do an error free grow after this one!

Thanks again everyone that commented. Been very helpful!

 

[mr buddy]

You fed your ladies looking as little as they are? I didn't give mine first bit of nutrients till about 2 weeks after sprouting. Typically they have their 2nd set of 3 tier leaves by this time. I would assume your shriveled ones have been cooked by the nutes

Here is the size that I added my first dose of nutes, about 400-500ppm

Ps. The stragglers ladies in the back are just sitting in a bucket... no nutes yet lol

mine are now just over 2 weeks and had a straggler. I started very very small doses of coco a+b and a bit of tomato liquids few days ago and they have well sprung to life . but I'd never feed anything other than water before 2 week minimum

 

[Larry Bovvah]

mine are now just over 2 weeks and had a straggler. I started very very small doses of coco a+b and a bit of tomato liquids few days ago and they have well sprung to life . but I'd never feed anything other than water before 2 week minimum

Good to know man, hopefully these next two can keep healthy and run them into something to use in a few months. Talked to the vault seedbank and told jack my situation and he is going to give me a few extras free with my next order. What a champion! I didn't expect them to replace them, but it's very nice to see they will so I won't be out of pocket. That's a good deed right there!

 

[chemphlegm]

Good to know man, hopefully these next two can keep healthy and run them into something to use in a few months. Talked to the vault seedbank and told jack my situation and he is going to give me a few extras free with my next order. What a champion! I didn't expect them to replace them, but it's very nice to see they will so I won't be out of pocket. That's a good deed right there!

That is very special, thank you for sharing that about this vendor

 

[714steadyeddie]

You feed them too early. Don't feed new sprouts for at least 10 days. I run house and garden also

Good to know man, hopefully these next two can keep healthy and run them into something to use in a few months. Talked to the vault seedbank and told jack my situation and he is going to give me a few extras free with my next order. What a champion! I didn't expect them to replace them, but it's very nice to see they will so I won't be out of pocket. That's a good deed right there!

 

[cheeseofchud]

do not use a dome!do not feed!
id flush with ph'd water and squeeze out the excess.....oh,use 24/0 light regimen

 

[Larry Bovvah]

do not use a dome!do not feed!
id flush with ph'd water and squeeze out the excess.....oh,use 24/0 light regimen

Cheers man. I took the dome off yesterday, I've already done the pH water flush a few days ago and squeezed out the excess. Still on 18/6 hours though, will going 24 hours now disrupt anything since these are autos, I've heard they are a bit finicky... Next run will be normal photos. I didn't know these were like this when I ordered my seeds.

 

[Larry Bovvah]

You feed them too early. Don't feed new sprouts for at least 10 days. I run house and garden also

@714steadyeddie I think you're right there, the best NL i have is now showing a little bit of yellow/brown tips on its first set of leaves, although it still looks very healthy. I have only been giving them the water with the first feed stuff that was recommended with the rapid rooter kit for root development. I have seen another Blue Cheese sprout in the last 2 days and doing well. Won't be putting nutes near them until at least 2 weeks or 3 sets of leaves.

A question on H&G nutrients, although maybe a silly one.

Say the feeding table says to use lets say 1.5ml of Cocos A+B Per Litre of water (hypothetically), Does this mean 1.5ml of each A & B, or 0.75ml of each to make up 1.5ml?
There is nowhere on the package, website or anywhere else i can find that clarifies this. I assume it is 1.5ml of A and 1.5ml of B making a total of 3ml?

I just really don't want to have this happen again when I go to feed them at the right time..

Thanks.

 

[Larry Bovvah]

do not use a dome!do not feed!
id flush with ph'd water and squeeze out the excess.....oh,use 24/0 light regimen

24 hours of light until what point? Do I take it back down to 18 for veg then 12 for flower?? These are Autos btw.
thanks.

 

[714steadyeddie]

@714steadyeddie I think you're right there, the best NL i have is now showing a little bit of yellow/brown tips on its first set of leaves, although it still looks very healthy. I have only been giving them the water with the first feed stuff that was recommended with the rapid rooter kit for root development. I have seen another Blue Cheese sprout in the last 2 days and doing well. Won't be putting notes near them until at least 2 weeks or 3 sets of leaves.

A question on H&G nutrients, although maybe a silly one.

Say the feeding table says to use lets say 1.5ml of Cocos A+B Per Litre of water (hypothetically), Does this mean 1.5ml of each A & B, or 0.75ml of each to make up 1.5ml?
There is nowhere on the package, website or anywhere else i can find that clarifies this. I assume it is 1.5ml of A and 1.5ml of B making a total of 3ml?

I just really don't want to have this happen again when I go to feed them at the right time..

Thanks.

Yes that's 1.5 ml PER bottle , so 1.5 of each A and B

 

[714steadyeddie]

24 hours of light until what point? Do I take it back down to 18 for veg then 12 for flower?? These are Autos btw.
thanks.

If you're doing auto you can keep it on 18/6 ....24/0 will only help putting a bigger yield on her. But I have my auto on my flower tent and that's only one 11 hours a day. And she looks good

 

[Larry Bovvah]

If you're doing auto you can keep it on 18/6 ....24/0 will only help putting a bigger yield on her. But I have my auto on my flower tent and that's only one 11 hours a day. And she looks good

Awesome! thanks for the heads up! 18/6 would be the way to go if i can, that would be good for me!