Trudeau's Handling Of The Cannabis Industry Risks Public Safety

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gb123

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Yes
he's doin a bang up job of it,,,enough so that he makes OUR CASE EASY!!!
or anyone else for that matter.

Its the peoples plant and costs peanuts to grow and we all know it!
Yet they'd rather everyone uses the poisons they produce..



pppphhhhtttt never!!
 
kDude

kDude

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crazy how little common sense government has eh? :dunce:
EVERYONE can see it's problematic; the restrictions and marijuana monopoly for the elite.
yet here we go.

forget about poisons and supporting the already greedy rich even.. how about all that money -if we all fall in line like good little peons, that is ;-) - just going solely to a couple big entities instead of being spread around every community in every corner of canada, bringing much prosper to everyone.

money spent in your community stays in your community and benefit others businesses.. but nope; we'll send it all to the bigwigs bank account.

so glad this is going to fail miserably for them.. it's gonna be a crap time for a bit, but with everyone disobeying it; we should get a real legalization sometime after :wink:
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gb123

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Bring on the Black Market for the people!!

FUCK LP's
GO Private or grow your own.

commercial shwag is useless poison

Wanna bet the BM gets a New NAME??(: People choice..savior Meds/... ...lol

Im going to say so..business is business after all and its the biggest going
soon they may get some leeway
No one sees this one coming :cool::hump::wink:
 
BobCajun

BobCajun

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kDude said:
crazy how little common sense government has eh? :dunce:
EVERYONE can see it's problematic; the restrictions and marijuana monopoly for the elite.
yet here we go.

forget about poisons and supporting the already greedy rich even.. how about all that money -if we all fall in line like good little peons, that is ;-) - just going solely to a couple big entities instead of being spread around every community in every corner of canada, bringing much prosper to everyone.

money spent in your community stays in your community and benefit others businesses.. but nope; we'll send it all to the bigwigs bank account.

so glad this is going to fail miserably for them.. it's gonna be a crap time for a bit, but with everyone disobeying it; we should get a real legalization sometime after :wink:
:weed:
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And how exactly would "real legalization" NOT result in huge corporations monopolizing the market? Do you have a few million dollars to set up a massive greenhouse operation and compete with RJ Reynolds? Is there much money in any other legal crop for small timers? Last I heard, family farms are barely scraping by, if they even manage to stay afloat.
 
Flash63

Flash63

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BobCajun said:
And how exactly would "real legalization" NOT result in huge corporations monopolizing the market? Do you have a few million dollars to set up a massive greenhouse operation and compete with RJ Reynolds? Is there much money in any other legal crop for small timers? Last I heard, family farms are barely scraping by, if they even manage to stay afloat.
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I don't have a million dollars,but I do have 5bucks to buy a bag of sheep shit and grow 5 pounds in my backyard..
 
BobCajun

BobCajun

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JungleStrikeGuy said:
Real legalization wouldn't require you to build a bank wrapped in a prison to grow a plant.
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Yeah I suppose, but then there's no chance whatsoever of there being no controls on Cannabis at all in our lifetime so we'll never know. It's still a powerful hypnotic or sedative drug so why would there ever be no controls? It's also extremely habit forming. The fact that it's hard to die from it doesn't make it a non-sedative drug. You also can't usually die from LSD. Should you be able to walk in a store and buy 100 hits? In theory maybe, but ain't never gonna happen in the real world.
 
TwistedToker

TwistedToker

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I don't think anyone expects a regulation-free cannabis experience, although some still dream. I know a couple who own a small distillery and are bound by government regulations but are able to operate without building a fortress to keep out armed intruders. Booze kills kids daily. The current LP regulations pertaining to security and the associated costs should not apply to 'Ma and Pa' operations.
 
WHATFG

WHATFG

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BobCajun said:
Yeah I suppose, but then there's no chance whatsoever of there being no controls on Cannabis at all in our lifetime so we'll never know. It's still a powerful hypnotic or sedative drug so why would there ever be no controls? It's also extremely habit forming. The fact that it's hard to die from it doesn't make it a non-sedative drug. You also can't usually die from LSD. Should you be able to walk in a store and buy 100 hits? In theory maybe, but ain't never gonna happen in the real world.
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Are you a patient? I'm looking for some of that powerful hypnotic strain....it may be habit forming, but it's not addictive.
 
kDude

kDude

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BobCajun said:
And how exactly would "real legalization" NOT result in huge corporations monopolizing the market? Do you have a few million dollars to set up a massive greenhouse operation and compete with RJ Reynolds? Is there much money in any other legal crop for small timers? Last I heard, family farms are barely scraping by, if they even manage to stay afloat.
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it's the fact that they can't even try to compete is what doesn't sit well with me.
i've actually no problems with big LPs.. in an open and fair market.
i don't like them being handed full control with little competition though. that's reeks of corruption.

this isn't like tomatoes.. more like wine, or craft beer.. where many smaller businesses with quality products can exist.. they aint trying to out-sell budweiser.

i've no problem if the LP's want to be the walmarts of weed.. but i want competition and smaller folks to be able to try and succeed too. (like i said; that only spreads the wealth instead of funneling it all to one place.. spreading the wealth in this means spreading the wealth in many other industries/communities as well)
 
CalyxCrusher

CalyxCrusher

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Couldnt agree more. Not to mention it forces the corporate schwagg factories to up their game in the quality and pricing departments
 
BobCajun

BobCajun

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kDude said:
it's the fact that they can't even try to compete is what doesn't sit well with me.
i've actually no problems with big LPs.. in an open and fair market.
i don't like them being handed full control with little competition though. that's reeks of corruption.

this isn't like tomatoes.. more like wine, or craft beer.. where many smaller businesses with quality products can exist.. they aint trying to out-sell budweiser.

i've no problem if the LP's want to be the walmarts of weed.. but i want competition and smaller folks to be able to try and succeed too. (like i said; that only spreads the wealth instead of funneling it all to one place.. spreading the wealth in this means spreading the wealth in many other industries/communities as well)
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There won't be any craft growers, for the simple reason that they made the licensing requirements so much more strict than alcohol and tobacco that no average person could possibly comply.

To date, Health Canada has accepted over 1600 applications to become licensed producers. Of these, 27 are licensed, and around 100 applications are at the final stage. The failure rate is very high, and the primary reason is the quality of documentation (especially the quality procedures) is poor. A good number of files have been refused because the proposed location of the facility doesn’t pass their security requirements (e.g., next door to a shopping mall). Also, many applications fail because the Quality Assurance Person (QAP) isn’t qualified for the role.

The quality documentation, as well as the qualifications of the QAP, are the primary reasons for failure. In short, the proposal has to be on par with what you would see in a pharmaceutical manufacturing facility. Health Canada does not define the requirements very carefully on their website, because they are only licensing high tier applicants. Unless you have someone with substantial proficiency in pharmaceutical quality system documentation, you will need a company like us to provide this to you.

You do not have to hire any staff, nor do you have to purchase/lease the location. At minimum, you have to identify your QAP on paper and demonstrate how they’re qualified under the MMPR. For the application, you need to identify a senior contact person as well as at least one floor manager. For the location, while you do not need to purchase or lease the land yet, you do need permission from the current land owner to have this business there (in writing); this usually means you own/lease the land/facility, but not necessarily. Ultimately you don’t want to lose this location while you’re in queue; if you do, you will mostly be starting from scratch.

How much does it cost to become a licensed producer? Generally speaking, if you already own the building and land, you should be forecasting between $80 and $150 per square foot of finished facility space. This would mean a 10,000 sqft facility would need between $800k and $1.5M to get this business off the ground. It’s always possible to build/renovate for less, but the costs add up quickly enough to keep small players out of the game. The Harper Government never intended this to be an industry model adaptable to small scales – it’s why they proposed the MMPR in the first place; that’s what the MMAR used to be.
http://www.nhpconsulting.ca/blog/becoming-a-licensed-producer-of-medical-marijuana-in-canada/
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Try putting a job ad out for a Cannabis quality assurance expert. I'm sure there's plenty of them around. Haven't you heard of the university degree for that? And notice that the cost of 800k to 1.5 mil is not even including the cost of the property. Lot's of moms and pops out there with that kind of money laying around, huh? No requirements like that for alcohol production, and alcohol is fucking deadly. They made the regulations the same as for pharmaceutical production, and Cannabis isn't a pharmaceutical. Pure THC might be, but not herbal Cannabis. And what quality assurance did they have at OrganiGram? Apparently very incompetent. So wtf good did THAT requirement do?
 
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