"If you do not believe in climate change, you should not be allowed to hold public office"

666888

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Let's pretend we don't affect the climate whatsoever...

Why not change to the source of power that is free, clean and abundant as an issue of advancement rather than the climate angle?
Got no problem with that, house holds should be running a mix of wind, solar and battery, leave the base load to business to pay and maintain
some amazing advancement being made in battery storage
Get off the grid and away from the scams
 

666888

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You don't know very much.

Pre-industrial climate variation does not compare to what started to happen a little more than a hundred years ago.



https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/03/were-screwed-11-000-years-worth-of-climate-data-prove-it/273870/


The cause of the recent rapid and unprecedented rise in global temperature is well documented and understood. The cause is heat trapping waste products from burning fossil fuels and industrial activities. Such as CO2, methane and fluorocarbon chemicals.
If its global warming, why does most country's use a different 30 year period to prove the temps are supposedly getting warmer
Its a scam just like religion and socialism and governments being for your good
Follow the money trail, from you to big corporations

Co2 is plant food, if you are worried about fresh air plant a fucking tree or two, I've planted 1000s, because I like trees
Co2 is heaver than air, most falls harmlessly to the ground to feed plant life
 

SneekyNinja

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If its global warming, why does most country's use a different 30 year period to prove the temps are supposedly getting warmer
Its a scam just like religion and socialism and governments being for your good
Follow the money trail, from you to big corporations

Co2 is plant food, if you are worried about fresh air plant a fucking tree or two, I've planted 1000s, because I like trees
Co2 is heaver than air, most falls harmlessly to the ground to feed plant life
CO2 is IN the air, it's heavier than oxygen you mean?
 

Fogdog

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If its global warming, why does most country's use a different 30 year period to prove the temps are supposedly getting warmer
Its a scam just like religion and socialism and governments being for your good
Follow the money trail, from you to big corporations

Co2 is plant food, if you are worried about fresh air plant a fucking tree or two, I've planted 1000s, because I like trees
Co2 is heaver than air, most falls harmlessly to the ground to feed plant life
Huh? You talked about temperature rise and fall over millenia. I put up a graph that covered about 11,000 years. Temperature takes a rapid rise in the last 100 years as shown in the graph that I posted. Why are you talking about 30 years? That's what science deniers do. They cherry pick data after deciding what they want it to prove. I didn't do that. All the data is there.

All you said about CO2 is true. What you miss regarding CO2 is its heat trapping properties. When the sun strikes and warms the earth, the earth in turn emits infra red radiation. In absence of an atmosphere, that radiation leaves the earth with no warming effect. Earth's atmosphere contains heat absorbing materials like water vapor and CO2. Some of the infra red radiation emitted by the sun-warmed Earth is absorbed by these materials. The earth's surface is then warmed up this warmer layer of air -- the greenhouse effect. As you say, CO2 is heavier than most gasses in the atmosphere. This creates a signature "greenhouse" effect of much warmer air layer at ground level and much colder layer of air in higher elevations than without a green house gas effect. Climate scientists have been tracking air temperatures and confirmed that this is indeed happening.

We can't plant enough trees to absorb all the CO2 burned by today's generators and cars. We could if we drastically cut emissions. I mean really severely cut, not just stop using electric toothbrushes.

Did you know that science denial is a hugely profitable lobby funded by that very same money trail you mention?
 
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fdd2blk

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Got no problem with that, house holds should be running a mix of wind, solar and battery, leave the base load to business to pay and maintain
some amazing advancement being made in battery storage
Get off the grid and away from the scams
Turbines, solar panels and batteries don't grow on trees. It takes an industry to build them.
 

666888

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Huh? You talked about temperature rise and fall over millenia. I put up a graph that covered about 11,000 years. Temperature takes a rapid rise in the last 100 years as shown in the graph that I posted. Why are you talking about 30 years? That's what science deniers do. They cherry pick data after deciding what they want it to prove. I didn't do that. All the data is there.

All you said about CO2 is true. What you miss regarding CO2 is its heat trapping properties. When the sun strikes and warms the earth, the earth in turn emits infra red radiation. In absence of an atmosphere, that radiation leaves the earth with no warming effect. Earth's atmosphere contains heat absorbing materials like water vapor and CO2. Some of the infra red radiation emitted by the sun-warmed Earth is absorbed by these materials. The earth's surface is then warmed up this warmer layer of air -- the greenhouse effect. As you say, CO2 is heavier than most gasses in the atmosphere. This creates a signature "greenhouse" effect of much warmer air layer at ground level and much colder layer of air in higher elevations than without a green house gas effect. Climate scientists have been tracking air temperatures and confirmed that this is indeed happening.

We can't plant enough trees to absorb all the CO2 burned by today's generators and cars. We could if we drastically cut emissions. I mean really severely cut, not just stop using electric toothbrushes.

Did you know that science denial is a hugely profitable lobby funded by that very same money trail you mention?
Have a look on the side of your graph it says AD 1961-1990, it isn't me making up the 30year bushit
 

666888

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Turbines, solar panels and batteries don't grow on trees. It takes an industry to build them.
Sure does, lots of nice coal fired power stations pumping out cheap electricity for all, and releasing all that lovely plant food
Unfortunately the mad lefties have made it their mission to enslave us in this crazy notion humans are the driver of the climate
So we have to suffer highly subsidized green madness, and the prices that go with it, cheap electricity means jobs for the masses
 

Grandpapy

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Sure does, lots of nice coal fired power stations pumping out cheap electricity for all, and releasing all that lovely plant food
Unfortunately the mad lefties have made it their mission to enslave us in this crazy notion humans are the driver of the climate
So we have to suffer highly subsidized green madness, and the prices that go with it, cheap electricity means jobs for the masses
Ok I'll say it don't care to die for the oil industry.

There is a better way to run the country then relying on just the gravediggers taxes.

The report, which looked at results of the Clean Air Act from 1990 to 2020, found that in 2010, reductions in fine particle and ozone pollution because of the act led to 130,000 fewer heart attacks and 1.7 million fewer asthma attacks. By 2020, "direct benefits" from the 1990 Clean Air Act Amendments — mainly in the form of reductions in premature deaths — are estimated to reach almost $2 trillion.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/741942

We can only generate revenue if we can breath.
And the same mad man wants to contain us with a wall:wall:
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/741942
 

666888

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Yep most western country's have clean air these days
Its a pity about all that energy being used to create wealth elsewhere
Its a bit hard to breath in China these days , the emissions have just gone OS with the jobs
While we all live it up on debt
 

esh dov ets

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The spent fuel rods are reprocessed in weapons facilities, the isotopes are made in the fuel rods in the reactors
From Wikipedia;
"Plutonium consisting of more than about 90% Pu-239 is called weapons-grade plutonium; plutonium from spent nuclear fuel from commercial power reactors generally contains at least 20% Pu-240 and is called reactor-grade plutonium."

As I said above, making weapons grade materials requires different processes and conditions than those found in nuclear power generation.

Great Britain and Israel have both received weapons grade material from the US.
they can breed fule and weapons isos in a power plant. the weapons material must be centrifuged later to be used in hydrogen bombs but can be used for dirty bombs . zedd is on some conspiracy tip that is a real concern but no proof. just like wmds in irak could have been in process or hidden so could it be else where or there could be a crossover market. i don't get into it, to hypothetical but not off the deep end
 

Grandpapy

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Yep most western country's have clean air these days
Its a pity about all that energy being used to create wealth elsewhere
Its a bit hard to breath in China these days , the emissions have just gone OS with the jobs
While we all live it up on debt
Crafty, those Communist, no epa but Islands in the sea. Where's that global Chairman!
 

esh dov ets

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Anthropomorphic = Wolf man, furries, teen age mutant ninja turtles
Anthropomorphic: The representation of the Deity, or of a polytheistic deity, under a human form, or with human attributes and affections.
or
The ascription of human characteristics to things not human
Demonstrating the insanity of 'saving the environment' with poisons that last longer than human civilization.

The same idiots who don't believe in anthropomorphic climate change very often think that nuclear power is an answer.

I'm thinking that my work in building systems to grow food inside boxes will come in handy sooner rather than later.
it works as poetry
 

esh dov ets

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If its global warming, why does most country's use a different 30 year period to prove the temps are supposedly getting warmer
Its a scam just like religion and socialism and governments being for your good
Follow the money trail, from you to big corporations

Co2 is plant food, if you are worried about fresh air plant a fucking tree or two, I've planted 1000s, because I like trees
Co2 is heaver than air, most falls harmlessly to the ground to feed plant life
ok. what about cutting down all the forests ? where does it go? also it heats the atmosphere at too high levels and is toxic at higher levels. try filling a fish bowl with fish food and see if the fish lives. actually don't thats cruel. co2 replaces air . read a nonfiction book
 

ttystikk

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they can breed fule and weapons isos in a power plant. the weapons material must be centrifuged later to be used in hydrogen bombs but can be used for dirty bombs . zedd is on some conspiracy tip that is a real concern but no proof. just like wmds in irak could have been in process or hidden so could it be else where or there could be a crossover market. i don't get into it, to hypothetical but not off the deep end
Sooooooo much wrong with this.

Fusion bombs use hydrogen.

Breeder reactors can generate electricity, but they must be purpose built and aren't efficient for power production.

Normal nuclear reactors just make radioactive spent fuel rods that need much more processing to make weapons, more fuel, etc.
 
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