the AHCA
- Thread starter UncleBuck
- Start date
Sir Napsalot
Well-Known Member
Single-payer FTW
a swift and merciless death to the health insurance industry
a swift and merciless death to the health insurance industry
ArcticGranite
Well-Known Member
Great. Govt. can run our health care like the war on poverty, war on drugs, war on terror.
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
it's absurd to ask you what the maximum annual deductible will be less than two days before they start voting on it, a mere 7 hours since they showed the thing to the public.
say, what did your radiation run you? ya know, when they reinstate benefit caps, you're gonna have a tough time beating cancer again. you could sell your house, but it does not look to be worth much.
ArcticGranite
Well-Known Member
I think you view health ins/care as a right! Insofar as it's ones right to choose it, I agree. The rub comes when others are forced by govt. to provide it for others. Then it becomes a positive right that takes and gives. There we disagree.
You can keep your govt. utopia.
You can keep your govt. utopia.
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
that is my preferred solution too. just tax me for it with everything else and let me go seek care whenever i need to. i will pay more than my fair share so everyone can get care when they need to. getting care sooner is always best and saves the most money in the long run.
but i am practical and realize that single payer won't likely happen here for a while. so i argue for a public option, wherein the government provides full coverage for everything, at a lower than private insurance can offer. this should be easy, since the government can negotiate prices better than any private insurer can.
government should also negotiate costs with insurers and set standard prices on most procedures annually. this is what they do in many other nations, and it keeps costs in check very well.
it should be so easy to use government to keep private insurance providers acting in the best interest of the public they both serve. for some reason, idiots seem to shriek about slavery when this happens though.
ArcticGranite
Well-Known Member
Wtf did ACA do with health ins. antitrust?
ttystikk
Well-Known Member
The Republicans are showing their true colors, and those colors will be remembered for a long, long time to come.
The pendulum has swing as far to the right as it's going to get. Now, to give it a good shove leftward...
This could happen, once we've outlawed campaign finance by corporations and the 'donor class' of political manipulators.
The pendulum has swing as far to the right as it's going to get. Now, to give it a good shove leftward...
Big_Lou
Well-Known Member
It is a right. A very basic right of any civilized society. Your compassion for your fellow man is astounding.
I take back what I said earlier about you dying in your sleep.....I hope you are (again) stricken with a terminal illness and are forced to face it with zero coverage. You really are a sickening specimen of the 'selfish/scared honkey'.
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
if it wasn't, then you would be dead.
so you paid the full cost of your multiple radiation/chemo treatments?
beating cancer twice ain't cheap. an old, angry, divorced man who lives in a ragged shack like you do can't pay for it alone.
what was the full cost of your multiple cancer bouts?
the thought of a recipient like you railing against "providing for others" is beyond hypocritical. we all throw into insurance so that the old and diseased and weak like you can be taken care of on the backs of the dollars that young, healthy people like me throw in.
do you seriously not have anything in life worth protecting from serious illness? your house may be a shithole, but if not for people like me, you'd have to sell the thing just to afford your first round of cancer treatments. anyone who owns anything worth value would not argue against the utility of insuring oneself.
Sir Napsalot
Well-Known Member
Or the government (who is actually the people) could do better if we weren't all drowning in negativity as you seem to be.
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
addendum: asshole actuaries do rig it in the favor of the insurer, but that still doesn't make it unwise to insure oneself for most things. health being the very top one IMO.
ArcticGranite
Well-Known Member
I'm in a pool of self insured members and as young-uns without family we paid in the same rate as everyone else. There were no pre-existing conditions and we insured retirees too.
Since ACA our plan didn't "qualify", we join a large insurer, premiums, co-pay, max out of pocket skyrocketed. That's my story.
Since ACA our plan didn't "qualify", we join a large insurer, premiums, co-pay, max out of pocket skyrocketed. That's my story.
Sir Napsalot
Well-Known Member
You can thank Reagan and Bush for 2/3 of those
ArcticGranite
Well-Known Member
The war on poverty goes back to Johnson!
Sir Napsalot
Well-Known Member
Did I say otherwise?
Sir Napsalot
Well-Known Member
I knew you'd fuck this up
Big_Lou
Well-Known Member
Save money/off yourself.
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
sounds like a cadillac plan for cops.