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Carolina Dream'n

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I know it is a shitty source., But bruh i forgot the correct term in biology., But plant don't need any dark period to go to "sleep" they do it even at lights on. @Dr Who
"Sleep" is not the correct term. It's not a time for the plants to reset its self. It's a time that plant processes the energy it collected throughout its day into carbohydrates that it can use the next day.

Humans don't need it to be dark to sleep either. But it sure fucking helps.

But yea you are right. They do not need it to be dark to "sleep"
 

Tupapa

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No where in any of that did it answer the question. Not to mention that's a pretty shitty source.

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Sunflower at night

I’ve been thinking a lot about sleep lately, mostly because I wrote a story on the topic for the March issue of Popular Science. Sleep, of course, is a key part of our lives as humans. We do it every night (or at least we should). We also see other animals sleep, from our pet dogs snoozing at our feet to the wild birds roosting in the trees outside our windows. But what about the life forms that frequent Our Modern Plagues? Do microbes rest? Do insects regularly turn in at some point each day? What about plants, from crops to invasive species?

And if all these organisms do sleep, or exhibit some parallel behavior, are scientists manipulating the trait to our benefit?

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To explore these questions, I will post a three-part series over the next several weeks. First up: plants.

So, do plants sleep? I posed the question to several plant experts and the short answer is no, at least not in the literal sense. Plants don’t have central nervous systems that seem to be key in what we think of as sleep in humans. But plants do have circadian rhythms tuned to Earth’s 24-hour light-dark cycle, which they maintain even if they’re kept in light fulltime, just as we do. And that is where things get really interesting.

Cyclical cues

For us, the circadian cycle determines when we should sleep and when we should wake up: sunlight enters our eyes each morning, triggering cells in the brain that control levels of the hormone melatonin, which, in part, controls drowsiness. The more melatonin, the sleepier we are—levels drop in the daytime and rise at night. And while our main sleep clock resides in the brain, we also have clock genes in nearly all of the cell types throughout the body, and vital physiological processes occur as we sleep.

Plants also go through physiological changes during each stage of the day, says Janet Braam, a plant biologist at Rice University. “There are likely diverse and very important advantages of circadian clock function to plants,” she told me by email. For example, “we know that plants use the clock to be able to monitor day length and thus can prepare for seasonal changes (like winter) before the weather actually changes.”

Indeed, plant behavior is tightly controlled by the sun. During the day, plants soak up sunlight duringphotosynthesis, the process they use to get energy. But when the sun goes down, plants’ opportunity to eat disappears and other physiological processes take over, including energy metabolism and growth.

Plants can anticipate the dawn each day and follow the sun to maximize their photosynthesis potential. The sunflower in the time-lapse below, for example, sways back and forth as the sun rises and falls, and the videos at this great website sLowlife show corn seedlings bowing towards a light bulb and sunflower seedlings that appear to dance as they reach for sunlight.


Braam’s team at Rice has found that the circadian rhythm in certain plants also determines when they launch chemical defenses against predators. A 2012 study on Arabidopsis, a highly studied flowering plant related to cabbage, found that the plant’s circadian cycle helps ward off cabbage loopercaterpillars. A set of plants kept on a normal day/night cycle anticipated the time the caterpillars typically eat and gave off a pungent chemical to discourage feeding. Plants forced on a light cycle 12 hours out of phase didn’t do this and were thus chewed up.

And in a study from last June, the researchers showed that cabbage retains its circadian rhythm after harvest, including the cyclical production of a chemical called 4MSO, which may have anti-cancer properties.
 

Tupapa

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"Sleep" is not the correct term. It's not a time for the plants to reset its self. It's a time that plant processes the energy it collected throughout its day into carbohydrates that it can use the next day.

Humans don't need it to be dark to sleep either. But it sure fucking helps.

But yea you are right. They do not need it to be dark to "sleep"
They are ruled by the circadian rhythms
 

Tupapa

Well-Known Member
Circadian rhythm is in our sleeping and eating habits.
Circadian rhythm tells the plant what season it is and when to flower.

The only thing they really have in common is photoperiodism.
Yeap. They can use the sugars with no problem at lights on
 

Enigmatic Ways

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Plot a mental Graph, With "Time to Switch to 12/12" is a factor of plant height or plant size i.e. the Y-Axis, and Time Spent Feeding (exposure time to light) in the X-Axis. All other growing factors held constant and knowing that Plants grow continuously under uninterrupted feeding.

Say your target time to switch to 12/12 to trigger flowering is say 1/3 of target genetic height of mature plant. You will see that the Y-Axis Goes up quicker with longer, more exposure to light.

For those who like Math, DY/DX or the gradient (slope) is steeper with more light exposure, meaning Growth Rate increases or decreases depending on quantity available food, in this case the time exposed to light energy.

Now Plot another graph with Time To reach Target Height in the X-Axis and Monthly electric Bill in the Y-Axis. Because overall KWh Expense on the Y-Axis is directly proportional to Time Spent growing, i.e. your overall KWh expense goes up with timespent growing.

So if you increase your time spent growing, by reducing feeding and therefore reducing your growth rate using a 18/6 light cycle, you will increase your overall KWh Expense.

You save money by feeding 24/hours a day. Unlike C4 Plants like corn that can take an unlimited amount of light intensity and grow record heights in record time, Hence the saying to grow like corn or something like that, C3 Plants like Cannabis have a lightintensity threshold that if you stay under this threshold and do not go too far bellow it, theplant will keep growing uninterrupted withuninterrupted exposure to light. Only CAM plants need an actual "Dark" phase to fixcarbon.

Like I said earlier, the actual Dark phase of photosynthesis does not require darknessbut takes place without the use of light energy whether the light energy is there or not, the process goes on.

For science buffs, remember the two stages of photosynthesis in C3 plants and the three stages of photosynthesis in C4 plants. Apparently this is not common knowledge that Photosynthesis takes place in two or 3 stages: light-dependent reactions and the Calvin cycle (light-independent reactions). Light-dependent reactions, which take place in the thylakoid membrane, use light energy to make ATP and NADPH. The Calving cycle or light-independent reactions still take place 24/7 365 as long as light is present to replenish the Enzymes for the reactions in the light-independent reactions. The first phase needs light as will go on as long asthere is light because. Like I said earlier, the enzymes of the Calvin Cycle need light and therefore by starving the plants by six hours, the plant has to rebuild this enzyme reservoir when the lights come back on. Where as under uninterrupted light, the Enzyme reservoir for the Calvin Cycle is never depleted.

The difference in C4 plants like corn and why they can take unlimited amounts of light intensities (Watt per square foot) is that they have evolved a second light dependent process that protects the Calvin cycle from the effects of photorespiration which happens if you feed the plants too much light intensity it shuts the stomata and starts respiration instead of the Calvin Cycle. C4 plants do this and also continue to the Calvin Cycle so they cannot suffer photorespiration at high light intensities.

Remember light intensity refers to the Watt per square foot and not the length of exposure to wattage.
 

billy4479

Moderator
So on the 24 hour light thing . Long long ago the grow books said the cultivation of ganja was just like tomatoes. This had led to alot of misconception that drive me crazy . So last year scientist devolved a tomato that can grow under 24 hours of light . Before this development its well known that tomatoes have problems if not given some darkness there day neutral btw hours of light don't effect flowering. Like autoflowers . Ganja is not in the night shade family. I'm hear to say My lights have been on 24 hours a day since 2010 and my veg room is very very happy . During the heat of summer I'll turn most lights off leave just one one during the heat of the day . But during winter my veg room keeps my living room heated. The 18/6 rule is In fact from tomato culture.
 

Clutchcargo_1

Active Member
@Enigmatic Ways, great post...
So how much is too much light for a C3 plant? Is it possible in a grow room or tent to get above this threshold?
I think, I'm convinced to keep the lights on 24 especially since otherwise it still costs similar as I need to heat the space with non-light heat and I don't get the benefit of growth during the dark cycle.
 

Tupapa

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Science. It's correct until proven otherwise. I'm not searching for you but there is a thread on RIU with links to the science that shows we are in fact growing plants that do not require a dark period for "sleep". The only thing I haven't seen scientific evidence of is whether 24hrs of light is beneficial or not. Don't you think there HAS to be a reason these plants don't suffer but instead thrive under 24hrs of intense light?
Because this plant is like a vampire love blood, this plant loves light.
 

Tupapa

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IMO, based on experience, 24 hours of light induces faster growth.
I cannot prove it...but...
I tried 18 hours a few times, and went back to 24.
I am befuddled as to why this is such a contentious issue.

I do not know if constant light is the "best" regimen.
I simply know that it works well for me.
That's nice., I actually get better vigorous growth with 20/4
 
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