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The Dawg

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I've Noticed The Same Thing In A Couple Of My Ladies. I Have A Couple Of Ideas 1 Is Light Height But You Said Your Other Ladies Wasn't Affected. So That Lead Me To My Second Conclusion Which Is A Pk Booster. You Using 1? In My Last 1812 Citizen Grow I Noticed Pre Maturing Browning Of Hairs When I Added My Booster?
 

GroErr

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If pollen is not super dry it will die when sealed up.
Actually, this is the most likely scenario, if I remember right when I thawed out that batch of Blue Ripper x Harlequin pollen, it seemed to have picked up some moisture in the bag. The Blue Ripper pollen was nice and dry. I'll run a fresh batch before trying it again, just won't hit this round, I have plenty of other seeds to run in between :)
 

GroErr

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I've Noticed The Same Thing In A Couple Of My Ladies. I Have A Couple Of Ideas 1 Is Light Height But You Said Your Other Ladies Wasn't Affected. So That Lead Me To My Second Conclusion Which Is A Pk Booster. You Using 1? In My Last 1812 Citizen Grow I Noticed Pre Maturing Browning Of Hairs When I Added My Booster?
Hey Dawg, on the lights I don't think so, last round they were 18-20", maybe even 24" at this stage before I lowered them. This round they were sitting at ~24" until a few days ago, now sitting at ~17-18". Plus no other strain/pheno is showing anything like that BR x Harlequin, here's a pic of the Blue Ripper x Blue Dream pheno in there from last night, normal white hairs, they're all like that other than this BR x Harlequin, strange one.

Definitely no boosters (I'm a real simpleton when it comes to feeding), soil/pro-mix, 400 ppm feeds every 3rd watering right now, haven't even switched to bloom feed yet, it's been getting the same veg regimen as the others, will be switching them to bloom next feed. Strange one, have yet to see this on any other plant I've grown.

Blue Ripper x Blue Dream F1/P1, normal/white hairs (showing some signs of frost already):

BRxBD-F1-P1-Day16-1.JPG

Cheers :bigjoint:
 

Javadog

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@hillbill That makes sense....good call. Thanks.

I also had a plant or two under the LEC that had hairs withering
prematurely, or so it seemed to me, but other plants right next
to them are all-white....so, I am just watching to see.

Starting to work with pollen and it might happen.

JD
 

GroErr

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Humm Strange Indeed. To Be Honest I've Never Really Figure Out The Pre Maturing Browning Of Hairs I've Had Several Ideas Now You Have Debunked My Pk Thoughts. I Don't Pollen Chuck And The Beat Goes On :hump:
Yeah I'm going with genetics/pheno-specific mutant unless I find anything else that makes sense. It's definitely not pollination or I would have had nothing but seeds on that pheno and many of the others last round. It's getting the same treatments as all the other strains/phenos in there, no variations so far. I don't have any males flowering anywhere, one Blue Ripper male in the breeding tent but it's only at Day 11 or so and no flowers showing yet.

I'll check that other Blue Ripper x Harlequin pheno I have in the 2gal pot this weekend, it originated from the same batch of F1's as this mutant. It was a couple of days behind the others so I'll give it a couple of days to mature and have a good look. I seem to remember when I ran that one that it also showed some signs of the early brown hairs, although not as defined or fast as this one. Could be just the genetics.
 

Javadog

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I will look forward to seeing a top of that pheno after it has been
intentionally pollinated with pollen known to be viable.

The comparison might be informative.

JD
 

GroErr

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@hillbill That makes sense....good call. Thanks.

I also had a plant or two under the LEC that had hairs withering
prematurely, or so it seemed to me, but other plants right next
to them are all-white....so, I am just watching to see.

Starting to work with pollen and it might happen.

JD
Cheers JD, yeah it was a good call, makes sense too, will be pulling that pollen out of the freezer as I had a note to thaw it out for the weekend pollen chucking session. Pretty sure I remember that one picking up some moisture after freezing it. I've been so careful it would piss me off if it was that, user error - lol

On the LEC comment. I would see this sort of thing under the LEC's and many of my phenos. But not this early, we're only at Day 16. Some would start showing the brown hairs earlier than normal, but typically after 4 weeks, not 2!
 

GroErr

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I will look forward to seeing a top of that pheno after it has been
intentionally pollinated with pollen known to be viable.

The comparison might be informative.

JD
I may hit one branch with the Blue Ripper pollen for some more BX, that pheno is so smelly and tasty I may even self a clone of it to see if I can get something similar in seed form. I'm not crazy about selfed fem seeds but this thing is so unique I'd love to be able to pass it on in seed form.
 

Pulpit_

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Ouch yeah, at 24' they'll likely double+ in size, hope you have some head room in there - lol

Those cams are plug & play, very easy to do an basic initial setup and their support is pretty good.

Thanks for the offer, don't know a lot about the vin's/details, may PM you when I start looking around. Are you a fellow Canadian?
Yes sir, just west of Mississauga. I will check out those cams since they are plug and play. I appreciate the info.
 

GroErr

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Yes sir, just west of Mississauga. I will check out those cams since they are plug and play. I appreciate the info.
Cool, grew up in Mississauga, Erin Mills area Up in Collingwood but have customers in the GTA. Good luck with the cams and cheers.
 

Homegrownx

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Humm Strange Indeed. To Be Honest I've Never Really Figure Out The Pre Maturing Browning Of Hairs I've Had Several Ideas Now You Have Debunked My Pk Thoughts. I Don't Pollen Chuck And The Beat Goes On :hump:
I don't mean to highjack this thread but what you mentioned about using a PK booster caught my eye. I'm on my 3rd week of flower and i have notticed brown hairs on my pre flowers and I am using a PK booster. would this be causing my preflowers hairs to turn brown? my only other explanation is that my girls hermied or have nanners forming which made them pollinate eachother. I have some picture that I took outside of my room to show that the rest of the plant is green and the only thing showing a browning are the preflowers. Also I took some pictures inside my room through my grow glasses to show how some of the leaves next to the buds have this sideways curl to them. Any advise would be greatly appreciated.
 

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GroErr

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I don't mean to highjack this thread but what you mentioned about using a PK booster caught my eye. I'm on my 3rd week of flower and i have notticed brown hairs on my pre flowers and I am using a PK booster. would this be causing my preflowers hairs to turn brown? my only other explanation is that my girls hermied or have nanners forming which made them pollinate eachother. I have some picture that I took outside of my room to show that the rest of the plant is green and the only thing showing a browning are the preflowers. Also I took some pictures inside my room through my grow glasses to show how some of the leaves next to the buds have this sideways curl to them. Any advise would be greatly appreciated.
No comment on the PK booster as I don't have any experience with those. The 1st/2nd and 6th pics look like something's going on, the rest look normal. But they don't look pollinated to me, and typically if you see something like accidental pollination (e.g. hermie) all the buds will show some brown/red hairs, not just a few specific one's. The sample I posted which turned out to be just the way that pheno grows it's buds, all of the buds on that plant (only that plant) are like the pic I posted.

Any chance that you have sprayed the plants with something in the room, particularly during lights on or just before lights on? The one looks burnt, not pollinated. I've done that which can look like pollination when I've sprayed for PM and didn't let the plants dry before the lights hit them. If I spray them now I let them dry before they get under the intense lights.
 

Homegrownx

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No comment on the PK booster as I don't have any experience with those. The 1st/2nd and 6th pics look like something's going on, the rest look normal. But they don't look pollinated to me, and typically if you see something like accidental pollination (e.g. hermie) all the buds will show some brown/red hairs, not just a few specific one's. The sample I posted which turned out to be just the way that pheno grows it's buds, all of the buds on that plant (only that plant) are like the pic I posted.

Any chance that you have sprayed the plants with something in the room, particularly during lights on or just before lights on? The one looks burnt, not pollinated. I've done that which can look like pollination when I've sprayed for PM and didn't let the plants dry before the lights hit them. If I spray them now I let them dry before they get under the intense lights.
I haven't sprayed them with anything. Everything seemed to going fine until I began adding this PK booster unfortuantely. Thats why I was scared I could have gave them a case of nutrient burn. I just gave my plants another look and it seems that the ones that have the brown hairs on the preflowers are showing brown hairs on ever preflower on the plant. I also notticed lastnight that the camera i have setup in my room has a green light that shines off the back of it... Do you think that this light exposure during these first 3 weeks could have possibly cause my plants to hermie? I also topped all the plants showing the browning could this have stressed them out? I picked off one of calyx which looked swollen and squeezed out this little super tiny green seed?
 

GroErr

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I haven't sprayed them with anything. Everything seemed to going fine until I began adding this PK booster unfortuantely. Thats why I was scared I could have gave them a case of nutrient burn. I just gave my plants another look and it seems that the ones that have the brown hairs on the preflowers are showing brown hairs on ever preflower on the plant. I also notticed lastnight that the camera i have setup in my room has a green light that shines off the back of it... Do you think that this light exposure during these first 3 weeks could have possibly cause my plants to hermie? I also topped all the plants showing the browning could this have stressed them out? I picked off one of calyx which looked swollen and squeezed out this little super tiny green seed?
Yeah better have a good look for any signs of pollen as Roger suggested. Could be light burn or that PK booster, @The Dawg had a suspicion on that PK boost being a cause for his. If it's not on other plants it's unlikely to be pollen but never hurts to check.
 

The Dawg

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I don't mean to highjack this thread but what you mentioned about using a PK booster caught my eye. I'm on my 3rd week of flower and i have notticed brown hairs on my pre flowers and I am using a PK booster. would this be causing my preflowers hairs to turn brown? my only other explanation is that my girls hermied or have nanners forming which made them pollinate eachother. I have some picture that I took outside of my room to show that the rest of the plant is green and the only thing showing a browning are the preflowers. Also I took some pictures inside my room through my grow glasses to show how some of the leaves next to the buds have this sideways curl to them. Any advise would be greatly appreciated.
That Looks Weird Like You Had A Light Sitting On Top Of Your Lady Cause Only The Top Bud Seems Affected Humm. Now When Using Pk Boosters You Can Burn Up A Plant In An Instant. Its Said You want To Cut Your Nute Strength In Half To Avoid Phosphate Burn :weed:
 

The Dawg

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Yeah better have a good look for any signs of pollen as Roger suggested. Could be light burn or that PK booster, @The Dawg had a suspicion on that PK boost being a cause for his. If it's not on other plants it's unlikely to be pollen but never hurts to check.
Now I Still Don't have An Answer For The Spotty Brown Hair Syndrome. But After A Couple Of Days Research I'm Leaning Towards A False Hermmie Like A False Pregnancy :idea:
 

GroErr

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Screen shot of the temp/humidity and soil probe in the 2x2 breeding tent from the last 24 hours. I grabbed the probe I use in my cloner to check temps and stuck it in the soil, about 2" in to monitor the soil temps.

The soil (green line) stays in the low 60 range. You can see a slight bump in temp and drop in RH when I went to water around 8:15 pm and had the tent open. Otherwise it's pretty steady at 76-77F and 48-55 RH using active exhaust and passive intake.

Environment-2x2-BreedTent-1-28-2017.jpg

Cheers :bigjoint:
 
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