Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

Fozze

Fozze

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ShLUbY said:
I noticed upon examination of my amendments, that there seems to be a bit of K missing from the coots mix.

where do you all get your K from?? I've noticed some slight P and K def. late in flower, and i just know that the yield should be higher than what it's been for me. I'm not expecting hydro results here or anything so don't get me wrong. I'm just thinking 12oz off a 600 is a little low that's all.

I have a product i'll be experimenting with and following the package instructions http://organicallydone.com/products/Bloom-Boost/

mix in 1tbsp at transplant (the container they'll be flowering in), 1-2 tbsp topdress at initial flowering, and 1-2 tbsp 3 weeks into flower. seems like pretty decent instruction; plenty of time to get completely used up by the end of flower. i'll be applying closer to the 1tbsp rate for first trials.
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Organically done is pretty good stuff. I haven't used the his mixes, but I give a thumbs up to the crab and shrimp, the kelp, fish, and oyster shell.

Kelp tea along with some enzyme tea usually gets me through flower. Wood ash would work too. You need to cook it or have faith the you have enough ph buffers in there. Greensand and rice hulls are super slow release options. Eat more bananas and compost the peels. Your compost will always have tons of K
 
ShLUbY

ShLUbY

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Fozze said:
Organically done is pretty good stuff. I haven't used the his mixes, but I give a thumbs up to the crab and shrimp, the kelp, fish, and oyster shell.

Kelp tea along with some enzyme tea usually gets me through flower. Wood ash would work too. You need to cook it or have faith the you have enough ph buffers in there. Greensand and rice hulls are super slow release options. Eat more bananas and compost the peels. Your compost will always have tons of K
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yeah i eat a bunch of bananas but the ratio of banana to compost is wayyyyyyy not enough haha. I will be giving the worms i just got going a few weeks ago my banana peels (and occasional rotting banana) and that should help me out a little. I am going to try out some Kelp tea in flower and mix that with some coconut water and see if i have some better results.

bubble kelp meal @ what rate for 24 hours???
 
Fozze

Fozze

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bizfactory said:
How do you make the kelp tea? Do you just throw some kelp meal in water and let it sit or actually brew / aerate?
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I just do 1/4-1/2 cup per 5 gallons. Bubble for about 24 hours. Sometimes I forget and just stir as much as possible over a few hours. If I really screwed up, I have some rehydrated kelp in the fridge. Nice little trick (maybe even from coots?). In jar or bottle put 1/4 cup kelp, half cup water, let sit, pour off (and keep) excess water, puree, store. 1/2 a tbsp per gallon.

I'm not sure of the rate per se, ShLUbY, but you don't need much power. My air pump is pretty small. It only gives my bucket a little ripple, but the tea is always good to go in no more than 24 hours. I'll see if I can't figure out the specs for you
 
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ShLUbY

ShLUbY

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Fozze said:
I just do 1/4-1/2 cup per 5 gallons. Bubble for about 24 hours. Sometimes I forget and just stir as much as possible over a few hours. If I really screwed up, I have some rehydrated kelp in the fridge. Nice little trick (maybe even from coots?). In jar or bottle put 1/4 cup kelp, half cup water, let sit, pour off (and keep) excess water, puree, store. 1/2 a tbsp per gallon.

I'm not sure of the rate per se, ShLUbY, but you don't need much power. My air pump is pretty small. It only gives my bucket a little ripple, but the tea is always good to go in no more than 24 hours. I'll see if I can't figure out the specs for you
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by rate i just meant how much kelp per x gals of water. thanks a bunch. i'll be making a tea this weekend when i get back home to take care of the ladies
 
ShLUbY

ShLUbY

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Fozze said:
Haha....right on! Just peeped your thread a little earlier. Keep it up, brother! Good luck
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thanks. i'm recently back from about a year hiatus. trying to get rid of PM for about a year in the grow room left me unmotivated after failing so many times. finally back on track and looking to crush some organics :) perpetual grows back in action life is good. thanks for checkin it out.
 
Chunky Stool

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ShLUbY said:
thanks. i'm recently back from about a year hiatus. trying to get rid of PM for about a year in the grow room left me unmotivated after failing so many times. finally back on track and looking to crush some organics :) perpetual grows back in action life is good. thanks for checkin it out.
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With PM, it's all about humidity & airflow.
People have told me that PM will return late in flower, but if you keep humidity around 35% the last 4 weeks, you won't see it again.
 
ShLUbY

ShLUbY

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Chunky Stool said:
With PM, it's all about humidity & airflow.
People have told me that PM will return late in flower, but if you keep humidity around 35% the last 4 weeks, you won't see it again.
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not true. my humidity was 30% all the time during winter, never above that and i had mildew on plants previously infected that were treated (sprayed with K bicarb) many times before flower and during the first couple weeks.

what's happening is applying treatments you are changing the leaf surface ph, preventing the conidiophore from growing on the leaf surface. the actual PM organism in a previously infected plant is silently hiding away waiting for the ph of the leaf surface to change once the treatment degrades over time. by the 5th week of flower (typically 3 weeks after the final treatment) the plants brix is super high which is what the mildew organism wants. leaf surface ph stabilizes to normal with degradation of the spray on treatments (because you don't want to spray your flowers) and boom, mildew fruiting bodies everywhere releasing more spores! it's a nasty cycle that's for sure.
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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ShLUbY said:
I noticed upon examination of my amendments, that there seems to be a bit of K missing from the coots mix.

where do you all get your K from?? I've noticed some slight P and K def. late in flower, and i just know that the yield should be higher than what it's been for me. I'm not expecting hydro results here or anything so don't get me wrong. I'm just thinking 12oz off a 600 is a little low that's all.

I have a product i'll be experimenting with and following the package instructions http://organicallydone.com/products/Bloom-Boost/

mix in 1tbsp at transplant (the container they'll be flowering in), 1-2 tbsp topdress at initial flowering, and 1-2 tbsp 3 weeks into flower. seems like pretty decent instruction; plenty of time to get completely used up by the end of flower. i'll be applying closer to the 1tbsp rate for first trials.
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langbeinite is a good source, alfalfa meal, neem meal
greensand is another great one for no till
wood ashes.. I don't mess with those though
 
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ShLUbY

ShLUbY

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greasemonkeymann said:
langbeinite is a good source, shrimp meals, neem meal
greensand is another great one for no till
wood ashes.. I don't mess with those though
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yeah neem meal not so much. i'll compare shrimp to crab. need something a little more substantial though. its waaaaayyyy K deficient. i mean theres enough that the plant isn't pissed.... but i know there is more potential for the mix. I think the product i have is gonna give me the boost that i need (0-0-24) just need a little at a time. won't be using it for the soil mix, i'll just mix it in when i transplant into the flowering container and do the top dresses and see how it goes. I'll be doing a trial in my grow thread when the gorilla glue are ready to transplant for flower and we'll see how they do! Already will be trying it out with the 4 con cheese i just transplanted but i did that with no control so i won't know if it's actually working or not unless i compare it to the 4 that are coming down this weekend.
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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ShLUbY said:
yeah neem meal not so much. i'll compare shrimp to crab. need something a little more substantial though. its waaaaayyyy K deficient. i mean theres enough that the plant isn't pissed.... but i know there is more potential for the mix. I think the product i have is gonna give me the boost that i need (0-0-24) just need a little at a time. won't be using it for the soil mix, i'll just mix it in when i transplant into the flowering container and do the top dresses and see how it goes. I'll be doing a trial in my grow thread when the gorilla glue are ready to transplant for flower and we'll see how they do! Already will be trying it out with the 4 con cheese i just transplanted but i did that with no control so i won't know if it's actually working or not unless i compare it to the 4 that are coming down this weekend.
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you positive that it's a potassium def?
I haven't run across that one before man
I have seen some soils that hold too much water before, kinda fools you into thinking it's a def
side note, I coulda swore that I've seen shrimp meal high in potassium but all the ones i'm seeing are around 6-6-0..
let me look a lil more
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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ShLUbY said:
yeah neem meal not so much. i'll compare shrimp to crab. need something a little more substantial though. its waaaaayyyy K deficient. i mean theres enough that the plant isn't pissed.... but i know there is more potential for the mix. I think the product i have is gonna give me the boost that i need (0-0-24) just need a little at a time. won't be using it for the soil mix, i'll just mix it in when i transplant into the flowering container and do the top dresses and see how it goes. I'll be doing a trial in my grow thread when the gorilla glue are ready to transplant for flower and we'll see how they do! Already will be trying it out with the 4 con cheese i just transplanted but i did that with no control so i won't know if it's actually working or not unless i compare it to the 4 that are coming down this weekend.
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the reason I mention that is because out of ALL the nutrients, a soil that is too dense will effect potassium the most.
so you can have it there, but if the soil is too moist or anaerobic the potassium won't be used
not to mention the acidity as well
organic soils, because of the added water retention can create these problems moreso than the chem-guys, so a lot of growers haven't seen it
 
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