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Fogdog

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You posted these replies back-to-back.
One post asking for individual actions and one post admitting, in your opinion, that "D and R have both been taking us down that road for a long time." (which I thought is effectively what I said).
If you want to demonize a president, you should demonize all presidents.

But people are already turning cartwheels over what Dumph MIGHT do.

Let's look at what Obummer HAS done (and I got lucky w/ an apropos "fake news" story from WaPo today):

With his presidency coming to a close, here’s a look at 10 of Obama’s biggest whoppers, listed in chronological order. All of these earned Four Pinocchios, of course, but they also landed on our annual list of the biggest Pinocchios of the year.

To keep it simple, we have shortened the quotes in the headlines. To read the full column, click on the link embedded in the quote.


“More young black men languish in prison than attend colleges and universities across America”

This was a 2007 campaign claim by Obama, then a senator, that was wildly off the mark. In reality, there are five times more black men enrolled in colleges and universities than young black men in federal and state prisons — and two and half times the total number incarcerated (including local jails). Even if you expanded the age group to include African American males up to 30 or 35, the college attendees would still outnumber the prisoners.

“We signed into law the biggest middle-class tax cut in history”

This 2011 claim was not based on a dollar figure but on dubious math — that supposedly 95 percent of working families received some kind of tax cut under the Making Work Pay provision in Obama’s stimulus bill. John F. Kennedy actually wins the prize for biggest tax cut, at least in the last half-century. By the same measure, the income tax provisions of George W. Bush tax cuts were more than twice as large as Obama’s tax cut over the same three-year time span. (While a large portion of Bush’s tax cut went to the wealthy, it also benefited the working poor.)

“90 percent of the budget deficit is due to George W. Bush’s policies”

During the 2012 campaign, Obama repeatedly reminded voters that he became president during a grim economic crisis. But he went too far when he claimed that only 10 percent of the federal deficit was due to his own policies. About half of the deficit stemmed from the recession and forecasting errors, but a large chunk (44 percent in 2011) were the result of Obama’s actions. At another point, Obama also falsely suggested that the Bush tax cuts led to the Great Recession.

“If you like your health-care plan, you can keep it”

This memorable promise by Obama backfired on him in 2013 when the Affordable Care Act went into effect and at least 2 million Americans started receiving cancellation notices. As we explained, part of the reason for so many cancellations is because of an unusually early (March 23, 2010) cutoff date for grandfathering plans — and because of tight regulations written by the administration. So the uproar could be pinned directly on the administration’s own actions.

“The Capitol Hill janitors just got a pay cut”

President Obama offered an evocative image at a 2013 news conference when the sequester spending cuts struck the federal budget — janitors sweeping the empty halls of the Capitol, laboring for less pay. But it turned out that he was completely wrong. Janitorial staff did not face a pay cut — and Capitol Hill administrative officials even issued a statement saying the president’s remarks were “not true.” Then the White House tried to argue that janitors at least faced a loss of overtime. That was not correct either. The episode was emblematic of the administration’s overheated rhetoric during the sequester debate.

“The day after Benghazi happened, I acknowledged that this was an act of terrorism”

Obama did refer to an “act of terror” in the immediate aftermath of the 2012 Benghazi attacks, but in vague terms, wrapped in a patriotic fervor. He never affirmatively stated that the American ambassador died because of an “act of terror.” Then, over a period of two weeks, given three opportunities in interviews to affirmatively agree that the Benghazi attack was a terrorist attack, the president obfuscated or ducked the question. So this was a case of taking revisionist history too far for political reasons.

“I didn’t call the Islamic State a ‘JV’ team”

In 2014, Obama repeated a claim, crafted by the White House communications team, that he was not “specifically” referring to the Islamic State terror group when he dismissed the militants who had taken over Fallujah as a “JV squad.” But The Fact Checker obtained the previously unreleased transcript of the president’s interview with the New Yorker, and it’s clear that’s who the president was referencing.

“Republicans have filibustered 500 pieces of legislation”

Obama, a former senator, got quite a few things wrong in this 2014 claim. He spoke of legislation that would help the middle class, but he was counting cloture votes that mostly involved judicial and executive branch nominations. Moreover, he counted all the way back to 2007, meaning he even included votes in which he, as senator, voted against ending debate — the very thing he decried in his remarks. At best, he could claim the Republicans had blocked about 50 bills, meaning he was off by a factor of 10.

“The Keystone pipeline is for oil that bypasses the United States”

Long before Obama killed the Keystone pipeline project in 2015, he made a number of dubious claims about it, including that the pipeline would have no benefit for American producers at all. But the crude oil would have traveled to the Gulf Coast, where it would be refined into products such as motor gasoline and diesel fuel; the State Department said odds were low that all would be exported. Also, about 12 percent of the pipeline’s capacity had been set aside for crude from North Dakota and Montana.

“We have fired a whole bunch of people who are in charge of these [VA] facilities”

Obama in 2016 misled the public about the number of people held accountable for the 2014 scandal over manipulated wait-time data at the Department of Veterans Affairs, which contributed to patient deaths. Congress responded by passing a law that sped up disciplinary actions for senior executive service employees. But when Obama made his statement in September, only one senior executive had been removed for a case involving wait time (though the actual firing was for an ethics violation).
You are more than invited to do the same for Shrub and Clit'n and Big Bushy, and Raygun, and Carter and Nixon, etc., but I don't think in 8 years in office Obummer is not as complicit as the others and the math makes him look more so.

Take a look at usdebtclock.org and watch the ~$10k/sec. interest accrual and think about how Federal Reserve policy creates all this "new money" without creating the associated "new worth" to back it helping to depreciate the buying power of the dollar more than 90% since the founding of the federal reserve.

While no president has created the debt all by themselves, none are free of responsibility.
If you hate being lied to, get ready for a daily dose.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
You posted these replies back-to-back.
One post asking for individual actions and one post admitting, in your opinion, that "D and R have both been taking us down that road for a long time." (which I thought is effectively what I said).
If you want to demonize a president, you should demonize all presidents.

But people are already turning cartwheels over what Dumph MIGHT do.

Let's look at what Obummer HAS done (and I got lucky w/ an apropos "fake news" story from WaPo today):

With his presidency coming to a close, here’s a look at 10 of Obama’s biggest whoppers, listed in chronological order. All of these earned Four Pinocchios, of course, but they also landed on our annual list of the biggest Pinocchios of the year.

To keep it simple, we have shortened the quotes in the headlines. To read the full column, click on the link embedded in the quote.


“More young black men languish in prison than attend colleges and universities across America”

This was a 2007 campaign claim by Obama, then a senator, that was wildly off the mark. In reality, there are five times more black men enrolled in colleges and universities than young black men in federal and state prisons — and two and half times the total number incarcerated (including local jails). Even if you expanded the age group to include African American males up to 30 or 35, the college attendees would still outnumber the prisoners.

“We signed into law the biggest middle-class tax cut in history”

This 2011 claim was not based on a dollar figure but on dubious math — that supposedly 95 percent of working families received some kind of tax cut under the Making Work Pay provision in Obama’s stimulus bill. John F. Kennedy actually wins the prize for biggest tax cut, at least in the last half-century. By the same measure, the income tax provisions of George W. Bush tax cuts were more than twice as large as Obama’s tax cut over the same three-year time span. (While a large portion of Bush’s tax cut went to the wealthy, it also benefited the working poor.)

“90 percent of the budget deficit is due to George W. Bush’s policies”

During the 2012 campaign, Obama repeatedly reminded voters that he became president during a grim economic crisis. But he went too far when he claimed that only 10 percent of the federal deficit was due to his own policies. About half of the deficit stemmed from the recession and forecasting errors, but a large chunk (44 percent in 2011) were the result of Obama’s actions. At another point, Obama also falsely suggested that the Bush tax cuts led to the Great Recession.

“If you like your health-care plan, you can keep it”

This memorable promise by Obama backfired on him in 2013 when the Affordable Care Act went into effect and at least 2 million Americans started receiving cancellation notices. As we explained, part of the reason for so many cancellations is because of an unusually early (March 23, 2010) cutoff date for grandfathering plans — and because of tight regulations written by the administration. So the uproar could be pinned directly on the administration’s own actions.

“The Capitol Hill janitors just got a pay cut”

President Obama offered an evocative image at a 2013 news conference when the sequester spending cuts struck the federal budget — janitors sweeping the empty halls of the Capitol, laboring for less pay. But it turned out that he was completely wrong. Janitorial staff did not face a pay cut — and Capitol Hill administrative officials even issued a statement saying the president’s remarks were “not true.” Then the White House tried to argue that janitors at least faced a loss of overtime. That was not correct either. The episode was emblematic of the administration’s overheated rhetoric during the sequester debate.

“The day after Benghazi happened, I acknowledged that this was an act of terrorism”

Obama did refer to an “act of terror” in the immediate aftermath of the 2012 Benghazi attacks, but in vague terms, wrapped in a patriotic fervor. He never affirmatively stated that the American ambassador died because of an “act of terror.” Then, over a period of two weeks, given three opportunities in interviews to affirmatively agree that the Benghazi attack was a terrorist attack, the president obfuscated or ducked the question. So this was a case of taking revisionist history too far for political reasons.

“I didn’t call the Islamic State a ‘JV’ team”

In 2014, Obama repeated a claim, crafted by the White House communications team, that he was not “specifically” referring to the Islamic State terror group when he dismissed the militants who had taken over Fallujah as a “JV squad.” But The Fact Checker obtained the previously unreleased transcript of the president’s interview with the New Yorker, and it’s clear that’s who the president was referencing.

“Republicans have filibustered 500 pieces of legislation”

Obama, a former senator, got quite a few things wrong in this 2014 claim. He spoke of legislation that would help the middle class, but he was counting cloture votes that mostly involved judicial and executive branch nominations. Moreover, he counted all the way back to 2007, meaning he even included votes in which he, as senator, voted against ending debate — the very thing he decried in his remarks. At best, he could claim the Republicans had blocked about 50 bills, meaning he was off by a factor of 10.

“The Keystone pipeline is for oil that bypasses the United States”

Long before Obama killed the Keystone pipeline project in 2015, he made a number of dubious claims about it, including that the pipeline would have no benefit for American producers at all. But the crude oil would have traveled to the Gulf Coast, where it would be refined into products such as motor gasoline and diesel fuel; the State Department said odds were low that all would be exported. Also, about 12 percent of the pipeline’s capacity had been set aside for crude from North Dakota and Montana.

“We have fired a whole bunch of people who are in charge of these [VA] facilities”

Obama in 2016 misled the public about the number of people held accountable for the 2014 scandal over manipulated wait-time data at the Department of Veterans Affairs, which contributed to patient deaths. Congress responded by passing a law that sped up disciplinary actions for senior executive service employees. But when Obama made his statement in September, only one senior executive had been removed for a case involving wait time (though the actual firing was for an ethics violation).
You are more than invited to do the same for Shrub and Clit'n and Big Bushy, and Raygun, and Carter and Nixon, etc., but I don't think in 8 years in office Obummer is not as complicit as the others and the math makes him look more so.

Take a look at usdebtclock.org and watch the ~$10k/sec. interest accrual and think about how Federal Reserve policy creates all this "new money" without creating the associated "new worth" to back it helping to depreciate the buying power of the dollar more than 90% since the founding of the federal reserve.

While no president has created the debt all by themselves, none are free of responsibility.
why are you citing fact checkers that would absolutely laugh at your conspiracy theories?

you think global warming is a hoax, GMOs are a conspiracy, obama is a secret muslim homo who was born in kenya, 9/11 was an inside job, and so much more.

what would the fact checkers you just cited say about all of that ridiculous nonsense you believe in?
 

Unclebaldrick

Well-Known Member
I can't give you links to back up the 94million unemployed claim. I'm glad for that too. U6 puts it near 19 million. That's Google. Still tragic but not unreal. Perhaps in my Trump zeal I've parroted some bullshit #. My fault and mistake.
He did inherit a recession, the Great Recession to be fair.
Like most before and probably all to follow, outflow exceeds income. That can't continue. Like a household, you can't spend what you don't have.
Looking at all presidents by their term debt increases can be seen. Is all that debt attributable to them. Certainly not. But, in term definitions a clear picture emerges. I am still downing his economic legacy, it's not good imo, perhaps could have been even worse too.


I have zero faith in you.
 

Drowning-Man

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Derp. How's that flat Earth doing? Last night I was lying on the lawn and I did not roll off, so you must be right.
Interesting, cuz i spent hours argueing with mellowman about the earth being round and that the sun wasnt a giant spotlight in the sky. And that we werent just some ant farm on gods desk. Like calling me a racist all that time and i kept challenging them for proof. Till buck finely admitted to yall he never once heard one. Every word ive ever typed is still here. So before anyone accuses me anymore do the fuckingresearch please. Show me respect and ill do the same thank you sir.
 

UncleBuck

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Interesting, cuz i spent hours argueing with mellowman about the earth being round and that the sun wasnt a giant spotlight in the sky. And that we werent just some ant farm on gods desk. Like calling me a racist all that time and i kept challenging them for proof. Till buck finely admitted to yall he never once heard one. Every word ive ever typed is still here. So before anyone accuses me anymore do the fuckingresearch please. Show me respect and ill do the same thank you sir.
shit, did you just change your avatar? do you support trum?
 

Unclebaldrick

Well-Known Member
Interesting, cuz i spent hours argueing with mellowman about the earth being round and that the sun wasnt a giant spotlight in the sky. And that we werent just some ant farm on gods desk. Like calling me a racist all that time and i kept challenging them for proof. Till buck finely admitted to yall he never once heard one. Every word ive ever typed is still here. So before anyone accuses me anymore do the fuckingresearch please. Show me respect and ill do the same thank you sir.
Sorry, my error. I was false flagging. Double cross. Very high level stuff.
 

Milliardo Peacecraft

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nope. U-6, which includes all of those, is under 10%.

so you are only off by a shitload.

holocaust denier.
I really doubt the metrics they use, the thing about marginal employment is that it's difficult to detect. And it doesn't account for wages that are too low for anything more than subsistence, which is a vast portion of the current job market. I don't know if you live in some kind of cosmopolitan bubble, but most work you can get (if any) is well below $20/hr. Most of the growth in the last 8 years has been service sector, and those people damn sure aren't saving for retirement working at Sears.

So if you're looking at people that are not making enough money to say, support a few children sans welfare and retire at some point, you're well over 10%, probably 25% or more.

https://secure.marketwatch.com/story/most-americans-have-less-than-1000-in-savings-2015-10-06

Rising cost of living, more high-cost housing rentals, less credit extension, no meaningful bankruptcy, rising debt burden, and stagnant wages with declining work opportunities, and hyper-inflation in healthcare and tuition will do that.
 

UncleBuck

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I really doubt the metrics they use, the thing about marginal employment is that it's difficult to detect. And it doesn't account for wages that are too low for anything more than subsistence, which is a vast portion of the current job market. I don't know if you live in some kind of cosmopolitan bubble, but most work you can get (if any) is well below $20/hr. Most of the growth in the last 8 years has been service sector, and those people damn sure aren't saving for retirement working at Sears.

So if you're looking at people that are not making enough money to say, support a few children sans welfare and retire at some point, you're well over 10%, probably 25% or more.

https://secure.marketwatch.com/story/most-americans-have-less-than-1000-in-savings-2015-10-06

Rising cost of living, more high-cost housing rentals, less credit extension, no meaningful bankruptcy, rising debt burden, and stagnant wages with declining work opportunities, and hyper-inflation in healthcare and tuition will do that.
all of your mouth-sharting will not change the fact that U-6 is at 9.9%, not 30% like you claim.

see how easy that is when you have the facts on your side? i didn't have to type half a page of bullshit.
 

Milliardo Peacecraft

Well-Known Member
all of your mouth-sharting will not change the fact that U-6 is at 9.9%, not 30% like you claim.

see how easy that is when you have the facts on your side? i didn't have to type half a page of bullshit.
Simply quoting government data doesn't mean anything definitive, other than you believe them. If 90% of people are meaningfully employed, then why don't more than 60% of Americans have more than $1000? I mean, it's either everything else is completely FUBAR, or the number might not have come from God's lips.
 
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