Promix Organic Fertilizer?, water soluble 20-8-8

thccbdhealth

thccbdhealth

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Hey there
I'm new to growing, this will be my first medicinal run
and as my medicine I'm looking for an organic solution rather then synthetic.

I'm also wanting something simple, if the future i hope to have a worm bin or worms in my pots

but for the time being, I'm wondering how this product put out by Promix would be for vegetative growth, it is labelled organic, but to be honest i don't know much about how to tell looking at the label, NPK 20-8-8

http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/promix-organic-water-soluble-multi-purpose-garden-fertilizer-1-6-kg-0590964p.html#srp

http://www.promixgardening.com/en/product/detail/pro-mix-vegetables-herb
 
Richard Drysift

Richard Drysift

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Promix is good stuff but an N value of 20 for organics seems super high. I would stay away from that fertilizer, it says it's "organic based" but I doubt it's safe for soil food webs. The mix looks good though. I would maybe add some worm castings and possibly some extra perlite if needed & then use a liquid fish fertilizer like neptunes harvest. NH and FF big bloom work very well together and both are OMRI listed. Mix those along with some fresh EWC when you get some and maybe some kelp meal and molasses & bubble for 24+ hrs makes a great AACT. If you want a boost for flower phase push in a couple jobes organic spikes when they reach their final size pots which will feed them for 8 weeks. After you get your first harvest amend and recycle the soil; it will get better with age.
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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thccbdhealth said:
Hey there
I'm new to growing, this will be my first medicinal run
and as my medicine I'm looking for an organic solution rather then synthetic.

I'm also wanting something simple, if the future i hope to have a worm bin or worms in my pots

but for the time being, I'm wondering how this product put out by Promix would be for vegetative growth, it is labelled organic, but to be honest i don't know much about how to tell looking at the label, NPK 20-8-8

http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/promix-organic-water-soluble-multi-purpose-garden-fertilizer-1-6-kg-0590964p.html#srp

http://www.promixgardening.com/en/product/detail/pro-mix-vegetables-herb
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if you didn't buy it already i'd chose something different
but that being said you could use that to grow with just fine, it's just not organic
hence the "based" part, which just means it's used in conjunction with chelated chemical nutrients
if you do use it, dilute it twice
meaning if they say add a gallon to a teaspoon, add two gallons
at 10-4-4 it
ll be fine
at 20-8-8 it can cause issues, that's a lot of nitrogen
 
ShLUbY

ShLUbY

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if you're wanting something simple i would go with a nutrient blend like this

http://organicallydone.com/products/tomatoes-vegetables/

make a soil: one part peat moss (or half peat half coco coir), one part perlite/pumice, one part worm castings. This mixture is known as the "base mix"

Then mix the fertilizer blend at a rate of 2.5-3.5 cups per cu.ft. (7.5 gal = 1cu.ft.) of base mix.

mix all that together, add water to moisturize it (with a compost tea which is so easy to do and puts beneficials in your soil to start breaking it down) and let it sit for 30 days before using it. you should remix it once a week to make sure its well blended and air gets incorporated into the soil.

so for example:

7.5 gal of peat moss (pre moistened)
7.5 gal of pumice
7.5 gal of worm castings
+ 7.5-10.5 cups of feritilizer blend
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+ water (again compost tea is crucial right here)

+ 30 days of time to let the soil become "active"

yields you 3 cu ft of ready to use, totally organic, kick-ass soil.


now all you have to do is give your plants WATER ONLY (RO water or rain water or pond water that has no chemicals added to it). there is no ph'ing necessary. the biology in the soil will take care of everything. you will no longer have to worry about the plants, they will grow themselves.
 
ShLUbY

ShLUbY

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thccbdhealth said:
so I currently have promix hp, that would be the base mix, adequate?..
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well the promix would be part of the base.

promix is like 65-70% peat moss and 30-35% perlite (or close to that, it says it on the bag)

what you want is 50% peat and 50% perlite to get them to equal parts to make the overall recipe simpler. so you would need to get some perlite (or pumice, which growstone is a good product for that). Then you would mix the promix and perlite/pumice at a rate of 3 to 1. So three parts promix and one part perlite/pumice. This will get you to that 50/50ish ratio, and satisfies 2 of the 3 components of building the base mix.

so far for our base mix we have one part peatmoss, and one part perlite.....

BUT, you still need to add the one part worm castings!!!!!! also bu's blend compost is a good product to use for this as well and if you can get them both i would use both products. This is the organic matter portion of your soil which is crucial to growing organically.

remember for the base mix we want equal parts of the three main ingredients: peat moss, perlite, and organic matter.

so a base mix example for your materials using a 5 gal bucket to measure would be:

1.5 buckets of promix (remember .5ish of the 1.5 is already perlite)
.5 bucket of perlite
1 bucket of organic matter (EWC, bu's blend compost)

BOOM, base mix complete
 
ShLUbY

ShLUbY

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unfortunately many municipalities are using chloramine now instead of chlorine, which does not release from the water when you let it sit out. BUT, you can get one of these.....

http://www.boogiebrew.net/water-filter/ (the classic model or the plus model is what you want) and you can get a free sample of the boogie brew, which can be used to make the compost tea you need to "activate" your soil!

this will help your tap water become more palatable for organic growing. they're inexpensive for $55 and definitely make all the difference.
 
thccbdhealth

thccbdhealth

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If there a way to install off a kitchen faucet rather then the garden hose i dont have access to?
Would a Brita filter atchiver the same results?
 
ShLUbY

ShLUbY

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thccbdhealth said:
If there a way to install off a kitchen faucet rather then the garden hose i dont have access to?
Would a Brita filter atchiver the same results?
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no a brita would not even be close to the same results.

it just depends on your kitchen faucet. there are adapters that can thread into the faucet, but a kitchen sink is not deep enough for the filter as it's about 10in or 12 in. long. a washtub faucet in a basement would be easy to install the filter onto if you have a basement.

depending on grocery stores you have around, you can get filtered water on the cheap from them if they have a "fill yourself" station for water. and depending on how many plants you're planning on running, this may or may not be convenient.

or another option is buying an RO filter system, which are relatively inexpensive these days. i think the grow store by me offers one for around 125$. then all you have to do is tap a line into the cold water line under your sink cabinet.
 
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ShLUbY

ShLUbY

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thccbdhealth said:
I was thinking an under counter r.o. but have no clue as to what size to get, how fast i need itto process water to be able to get eenough fast enough to water all my plants at once.
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how many plants are you gonna be running? i don't think you'll have a problem with it keeping up....
 
OldMedUser

OldMedUser

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High thccbdhealth

I use ProMix blends for growing. The Veg and Herb one will veg plants really good on it's own. I just added some perlite to some and grew a few plants under CFLs to see how it went and started in 3" square nursery pots. Once they got to about 7" and bushy the very bottom leaves started to yellow so I put them in 1L pots and away they went to over foot high then I got them in bigger pots under MH light still went fine then I started feeding with hydro nutes after a couple weeks.

I'm using the HP with herb and veg 50/50 with 2 plants and the other two with HP and ProMix Potting Soil. Both are working well and I'm about to crop one plant that is further along than the others but they aren't far behind.

I would recommend getting better nutes than that ProMix stuff. I use the pH Perfect AN nutes and never worry about checking pH. Not organic but easy to use. If you want to stay organic then something like Earth Juice would do the trick and you should be able to use it without worrying about pH either.

Most RO units for under the counter would work fine. Just need some storage jugs to save up water for the lower output ones. I'm hoping to get one soon myself but need extra stuff as we're not on town water here so my dugout water needs extra pre-treatment and I'll need a booster pump to maintain high enough water pressure.

:peace:
 
ShLUbY

ShLUbY

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OldMedUser said:
High thccbdhealth

If you want to stay organic then something like Earth Juice would do the trick and you should be able to use it without worrying about pH either.


:peace:
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IIRC this is actually not true. earth juice nutrients are meant to be bubbled for a period of time (more than a few hours) after they are mixed to help neutralize the ph. when i used them several years ago the mixes were extremely acidic upon testing right when measured and diluted into water, but would stabilize when i had time to allow them to bubble. but afaik, the earth juice stuff is pretty decent if you don't mind having to mix stuff up and then let it bubble for a period of time EVERY TIME you want to feed. Also, earth juice would probably have best results when using filtered water rather than municipal water.
 
Richard Drysift

Richard Drysift

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thccbdhealth said:
I was thinking an under counter r.o. but have no clue as to what size to get, how fast i need itto process water to be able to get eenough fast enough to water all my plants at once.
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There are inexpensive single stage RO filters that will remove chloramine; I had one until I left it on the freezing cold and it exploded. Honestly it's fairly easy to collect rain in a bucket which is the best IMO. The RO machine at Walmart costs about .37 cents per gallon so I use that when it doesn't rain
 
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Wetdog

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thccbdhealth said:
and I'm currently restricted to using tap water, so I have been filling a 20g water jug and letting it sit for 48 hours
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Get a water report from your local water system. Easy to google (your city, water system), and see just what you have.

I've been using tap water, treated with chloramine for 10 years with zero negative effects. If your tap water tastes good, that's a decent indicator.

But the online water report will really let you know.

Wet
 
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Blitz35

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I have used both the 20-8-8 version and the 9-16-16 version. it is a bit too strong for the plants in most cases unless there is a serious deficiency, except there is one problem with both..for some reason..pro-mix has decided to leave out magnesium and sulfur altogether in both. Definitely someone fell asleep when creating this fertilizer..missing core elements!
 
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