Do you think people should be protected from punishment from their employer for expressing opinions

[Padawanbater2]

If you don't want to be fired for saying racist things, don't say racist things

If you don't want to be killed for associating with known terrorists, don't associate with known terrorists

 

[UncleBuck]

That's not what I'm asking you. You keep trying to deflect from the question that is being asked.

If you can follow along: How are you any different from the conservatives you condemn for the exact same thing you yourself are condemning now; harming innocent victims?

You gave the example of immigration;
That harms innocent victims. How can you say you're against harming innocent victims in one post, then say "eh, fuck em" in the next just because their parents might believe something different?

Can you tie that together for me?

i'm pretty sure i already answered this, i believe in letting be the example of the change they want to see in the world.

they want to see kids harmed because of the actions of their parents. so i facilitate this for them, just in a way that they weren't quite expecting.

i do not want to see kids harmed for the actions of their parents. if they would return that favor for me it would be great. but they don't so it's up to me to show them what their worldview entails.

 

[UncleBuck]

If you don't want to be killed for associating with known terrorists, don't associate with known terrorists

that's pretty good advice if you ask me.

 

[Ace Yonder]

If you don't want to be killed for associating with known terrorists, don't associate with known terrorists

Yeah, I'm not really seeing a flaw here. Staying out of the water is, in fact, the best way to avoid being bitten by sharks.

 

[Padawanbater2]

i believe in letting be the example of the change they want to see in the world.

How do you believe that helps?

You and I both believe the majority of conservative positions will ultimately harm the country, I think we both want what's best. So how would implementing the programs we both oppose help us or our position in regards to political progress?

they want to see kids harmed because of the actions of their parents. so i facilitate this for them, just in a way that they weren't quite expecting.

You facilitate it for you, not for them. That's what's so nefarious about it, I don't believe most or even many conservatives want to see kids or other innocent people be harmed by the programs they support. They support programs based on what they know and believe and most of them want to see the country as a whole and everyone in it succeed together. When economic times are bad, the easy scapegoat to lay blame is those who are most different.

This is something you need to understand

i do not want to see kids harmed for the actions of their parents.

You say you don't want to, but it is an inevitable consequence of your own actions

 

[Padawanbater2]

that's pretty good advice if you ask me.

Yeah, I'm not really seeing a flaw here. Staying out of the water is, in fact, the best way to avoid being bitten by sharks.

If you don't want to be fired for saying racist things, don't say racist things

If you don't want to be killed for associating with known terrorists, don't associate with known terrorists

The US drone program has a 97% failure rate, meaning 97% of the people who are killed by US drone strikes are innocent people, not the target, people who are simply "associated" in some way with the target

The justification from US officials (the vast majority being Republican) who support the US drone program being "If you don't want to be killed for associating with known terrorists, don't associate with known terrorists."

97% failure rate..

I wonder what Buck's batting at..

 

[Ace Yonder]

The US drone program has a 97% failure rate, meaning 97% of the people who are killed by US drone strikes are innocent people, not the target, people who are simply "associated" in some way with the target

The justification from US officials (the vast majority being Republican) who support the US drone program being "If you don't want to be killed for associating with known terrorists, don't associate with known terrorists."

97% failure rate..

I wonder what Buck's batting at..

Why did you start a thread about people being fired when all you want to talk about is the US drone program? The two things aren't related at all, despite your ham handed attempts to connect them using false equivalency.

Here is one (of many) reasons: For the statements to be equivalent, all parts of both of them must be equally true or false. You are saying that 97% of the drone strikes are not hitting terrorists or people who actually associate with terrorists. But everyone getting fired for saying racist shit actually said the racist shit. No one is getting fired because they were neighbors with someone who said something racist.

 

[UncleBuck]

How do you believe that helps?

who said getting racists fired helps? i said it's funny as fuck.

You and I both believe the majority of conservative positions will ultimately harm the country, I think we both want what's best. So how would implementing the programs we both oppose help us or our position in regards to political progress?

i never said to deport kids, i just want to get racists fired.

You facilitate it for you, not for them. That's what's so nefarious about it,

yet they get fired.

I don't believe most or even many conservatives want to see kids or other innocent people be harmed by the programs they support.

that is where you are wrong. preventing trump from harming minorities is going to be one of the best ways to erode his support.

lots of his supporters want to deport all those muslims and mexicans and keep blacks from voting and annul gay marriages.

when he gets none of that done, he will lose support.

They support programs based on what they know and believe and most of them want to see the country as a whole and everyone in it succeed together.

LOL. naive.

When economic times are bad, the easy scapegoat to lay blame is those who are most different.

don't ask me to feel sympathy for racist white people when the economy is doing this good. don't ask after trum crashes the economy either.

You say you don't want to, but it is an inevitable consequence of your own actions

stop blaming me for the fact that racists say horrible shit that disqualifies them from representing the company they work for.

 

[NLXSK1]

Forget about them, this is about you

"I'm curious why you can't just leave it at that, why do you feel like you need to take it further, offline, into people's real, personal lives?"

I have a theory about this. It has to do with dopamine and the reaction you get from posting on forums.

The US drone program has a 97% failure rate, meaning 97% of the people who are killed by US drone strikes are innocent people, not the target, people who are simply "associated" in some way with the target

The justification from US officials (the vast majority being Republican) who support the US drone program being "If you don't want to be killed for associating with known terrorists, don't associate with known terrorists."

97% failure rate..

I wonder what Buck's batting at..

And we wonder why people hate the USA?? We arm people who are considered terrorists by their home countries and act surprised when acts of terrorism are committed upon our soil? We disrespect the sovereignty of countries, topple regimes we dont like and talk about peace and freedom.... What a disgrace....

 

[twostrokenut]

Do you think an employer should have the right to fire you if you say something in the privacy of your own home that happens to get leaked?

What if you do it in private and someone records what you say without your knowledge like what happened to the owner of that basketball team a couple years ago?

It seems to me that people should be able to say whatever they want in the privacy of their own homes, but the fact is that if what they say is offensive to people and they work for a company where it matters, where it might affect sales, then that affects the livelihood of the employer. So this is one of those situations where the freedom of speech comes into conflict with the freedom to run your own business how you see fit.

Ya know Pad, like everything else it's in the contract. Freedom of speech is in your contract as an American. But it's not part of the contract to work for a corporation.

The US Constitution protects your right to contract outside the Constitution. Look at Money for example.

Freedom of the press is another example. If you work for a corporation and in your free time collect and expose damaging audio/video about that corporation......what about your freedom of press? All covered in your contract for employment.

 

[Padawanbater2]

who said getting racists fired helps? i said it's funny as fuck.

So what is your goal in posting on RIU? To show how stupid you think conservatives are?

i never said to deport kids, i just want to get racists fired.

Getting racists fired harms the innocent children of racists because they are the ones who provide for them. Why can't you dissect their argument and show where you believe they're wrong to entice people towards your side through logic and/or reason?

What is it exactly that leads you to abandon that thought and choose to pick on something about them personally that you believe if others see, they'll automatically be on your side because if they believe they aren't, you, and your many minions, will believe them to be just as deplorable as a Trump supporter?

that is where you are wrong.

Then provide examples you believe show that conservatives want to see kids or innocent people be harmed by the programs they support

stop blaming me for the fact that racists say horrible shit that disqualifies them from representing the company they work for.

I'm blaming you for disparaging innocent victims who rely on potentially racist parents. You hold part of the responsibility since without you, these people wouldn't be considered victims

 

[UncleBuck]

provide examples you believe show that conservatives want to see kids or innocent people be harmed by the programs they support

the senate literally just voted in the dead of the night to kill CHIP.

you're really not good at this.

go hug a racist until they are fixed.

 

[Padawanbater2]

the senate literally just voted in the dead of the night to kill CHIP.

you're really not good at this.

go hug a racist until they are fixed.

provide examples you believe show that conservatives want to see kids or innocent people be harmed by the programs they support

The Senate does not represent conservative Americans

 

[UncleBuck]

provide examples you believe show that conservatives want to see kids or innocent people be harmed by the programs they support

The Senate does not represent conservative Americans

you are funny.

the democratically elected senate just voted to kill the children's health insurance program, and you keep asking me for proof that the conservatives who voted them in want to see children harmed.

fucking epic trolling, curtis.

i bet you set up all the "duct tape rape" subreddits and "can i give hardcore porn to my 12 year old niece?" pages as part of some elaborate ruse.

i am humbled by your greatness.

 

[ttystikk]

the senate literally just voted in the dead of the night to kill CHIP.

you're really not good at this.

go hug a racist until they are fixed.

You're right, that's a new low of greed at the expense of the common good on the part of the Republicans...

Or rather, those who support the party with millions in tax deductible 'contributions'.

I think I'm sick and tired of watching the rich get whatever they want from government while the rest of not only don't, but still get to pay for the rich anyway.

 

[twostrokenut]

you are funny.

the democratically elected senate just voted to kill the children's health insurance program, and you keep asking me for proof that the conservatives who voted them in want to see children harmed.

fucking epic trolling, curtis.

i bet you set up all the "duct tape rape" subreddits and "can i give hardcore porn to my 12 year old niece?" pages as part of some elaborate ruse.

i am humbled by your greatness.

if @rollitup looks into your PMs he will see that you are doxxing people is all.

 

[Fogdog]

provide examples you believe show that conservatives want to see kids or innocent people be harmed by the programs they support

The Senate does not represent conservative Americans

The GOP hasn't been conservative for a long time.

 

[Padawanbater2]

the democratically elected senate just voted to kill the children's health insurance program, and you keep asking me for proof that the conservatives who voted them in want to see children harmed.

So I suppose you want to murder babies then since you support Roe v. Wade?

Show me any evidence of a conservative constituent who wants to see children harmed. I'm betting you can't, because they don't. Bad people want to see children harmed and they can be liberal or conservative

i bet you set up all the "duct tape rape" subreddits and "can i give hardcore porn to my 12 year old niece?" pages as part of some elaborate ruse.

All the /r/Ducttapespread* sub's, like you mean the only one that's been inactive for a couple years?

And softcore porn to my 14 year old male cousin, if you think there's anything wrong with that, I invite you to share your thoughts on it

 

[UncleBuck]

So I suppose you want to murder babies then since you support Roe v. Wade?

there are laws against murdering babies, curtis.

Show me any evidence of a conservative constituent who wants to see children harmed.

they voted in the senators that are voting to kill CHIP.

how do you not get this?

 

[Padawanbater2]

there are laws against murdering babies, curtis.

they voted in the senators that are voting to kill CHIP.

how do you not get this?

You voted for congressmen who support Roe v. Wade, to a conservative who opposes abortion, and using your own argument that conservatives who voted for the senators that are voting to kill CHIP want to harm children, you want to harm children. Not only harm them, but murder them

Find me one conservative who voted for any senator who voted to kill CHIP because it would harm children, you can't because they don't exist, because that's not why they voted for said senators. They voted for said senators because they believed they would more closely represent them. Just like you and everyone else does. Claiming conservatives want to harm children because the GOP senators who they voted for voted for something that you believe will harm children is exactly the same as conservatives claiming you want to murder babies because you voted for Dem senators who support Roe v. Wade

In other words, it's a pretty poor argument. Hopefully you understand why now