Organic Soil Amendments - Uses and N-P-K

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Richard Drysift said:
Shluby is right I think. The idea is to put your amendments and compost in the mix globally and just use teas to maintain microbial activity. Here's what I would do:
1. Get a small tote bin for recycling soil and add in spent root balls (if you have any) some black gold soil, some of your happy frog, perlite, and up to an equal amount of EWC plus add all the amendments you list above except the molasses, cal/mag, and mycorrhizae
2. Wait 30 days and then pot your plants in it; sprinkle mycorrhizae in each hole at transplants so the root ball sits directly onto the myco
3. Add water
In a couple weeks after the roots have settled in from transplanting brew up a simple tea of:
1 tsp molasses
1 cup EWC
1 tsp kelp meal
1 tsp neptunes harvest (optional)
4 tblspn FF big bloom (optional)
Bubble for 36+ hrs and give to the plants
Give this tea recipe as often as every 2 weeks but any more is likely overkill.
Use 10 drops of cal/mag per watering if you use RO or distilled Rainwater can be collected & given as is & is best for organic growing IMO
Use your aloe for dipping newly rooted coles at first transplanting into soil...
Teas do not feed plants like nutrients do; you've got to enrich the mix first for the teas to do their thing. Stop thinking there's a bloom or veg formula; plants will take what they need as needed as long as you provide it in their containers.
For a bloom boost I add 2 or more jobes AP organic spikes and a layer of chicken compost & guano with oyster flour on top of that in the final size bloom pots just before flipping which really works awesomely; hope that helps
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OK that actually sounds amazing I'm excited to try that and I have everything to do it except for theneptuns harvest, and ff big bloom which I have seen and will get. So I will throw out my mix on compost and keep it simple. Thanks I'm really looking forward to using this on the next grow. On to the next comment lol had to say that after reading.
 
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ShLUbY said:
typically i just grab some aloe leaves, the amount i think is enough for how much water I'm using, and crush them by hand into a 1/2 gal of water; then, strain the mixture into the rest of the water i'll be using. after I water, i'll then add the crushed aloe leaves to working compost (or maybe worm bin too), or bury in working soil (you'd be surprised at how quickly it disappears), or you can dry and powder them (but this would take a lot).

edit: and it's not something i do once a week or anything. typically I use it at transplant (or coconut water at transplant too), and at the beginning of flower typically.

you will also notice how aloe makes water wetter, and really smooths it out. i believe this can be attributed to the saponins in the aloe gel.
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Aloe is some dopeass shit; got a couple huge ones sitting on a windowsill; they are so easy to maintain....imma try this out thx
 
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Question guys I want to start a compost bin and worm bin how simple could I do it. And also is it possible to do it inside? I will research it a Lil but I believe they both need heat, right?
 
ShLUbY

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Anonymous... said:
Question guys I want to start a compost bin and worm bin how simple could I do it. And also is it possible to do it inside? I will research it a Lil but I believe they both need heat, right?
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Compost: brown fall leaves, coffee grounds, green materials (alfalfa, grass clippings with no pesticides/herbicides, fresh green cannabis leaves) done. you can also add soil amendments to this as well and compost them (kelp, rock dusts, neem seed meal, fishbone meal, oyster shell, ect ect ect). more brown material than anything, the green material and coffee grounds add nitrogen and heat up the pile. heat aides in breakdown, when the heat stops, you can add some more coffee grounds to get it back going again. but compost requires water for moisture, and microbes and organisms to break things down. and time of course :)

Worm bin: you can check out the vermicompost thread for all things worms. this is a good site too http://www.redwormcomposting.com/getting-started/

if you check out my thread i have examples of some compost and starting a worm bin and there's a lot of knowledgable people on here who know and or have more experience than I do in a lot of these fields of study :)
 
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Wow! Things have certainly changed (for me), since I first posted in this thread over 6 years ago.

Totally quit making/using teas later that same year once the worm bins started producing. I do believe that starting a worm bin is the singlemost important thing you can do for your garden. PERIOD!!

Plus, after a surgery, I found out that top dressing the same ingredients worked just as well as teas with 95% less effort and bother. Top dress, some VC added, water .... Done No bubbling, no 36 hours, no carrying heavy buckets of water, but getting the same results.

*I* don't use 'compost' in my mixes (gasp!), but do a leaf mold in my raised bed gardens. The thing with leaf mold that everyone forgets is, that it takes 3 years to fully break down. It's also a cold compost and works great as an overwinter mulch applied every fall. Great stuff, but takes time. My kid and neighbor do thermal compost, I'm just too old and beat up to mess with it anymore.

For aloe, now I'll just pick up a leaf at the grocery store (~2' long and under $2), when it's time to clone. Found that just sticking the end of a clone in a chunk of leaf then into used mix works quite well. The worms seem to enjoy the leftovers. A far cry from SoFl when there were 3 beds of the stuff around the house. Just thought it was good for burns back then.

Gotta get to the store before the snow hits. Later

Wet
 
greasemonkeymann

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Wetdog said:
Wow! Things have certainly changed (for me), since I first posted in this thread over 6 years ago.

Totally quit making/using teas later that same year once the worm bins started producing. I do believe that starting a worm bin is the singlemost important thing you can do for your garden. PERIOD!!

Plus, after a surgery, I found out that top dressing the same ingredients worked just as well as teas with 95% less effort and bother. Top dress, some VC added, water .... Done No bubbling, no 36 hours, no carrying heavy buckets of water, but getting the same results.

*I* don't use 'compost' in my mixes (gasp!), but do a leaf mold in my raised bed gardens. The thing with leaf mold that everyone forgets is, that it takes 3 years to fully break down. It's also a cold compost and works great as an overwinter mulch applied every fall. Great stuff, but takes time. My kid and neighbor do thermal compost, I'm just too old and beat up to mess with it anymore.

For aloe, now I'll just pick up a leaf at the grocery store (~2' long and under $2), when it's time to clone. Found that just sticking the end of a clone in a chunk of leaf then into used mix works quite well. The worms seem to enjoy the leftovers. A far cry from SoFl when there were 3 beds of the stuff around the house. Just thought it was good for burns back then.

Gotta get to the store before the snow hits. Later

Wet
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I always find it interesting that most of us oldtimers tend to lean off on all the fancy stuff as time goes by, the SSTs, the AACTs, the nutrient teas...
it's just much, much more easy to build the soil right, and then be done with it
water only, and if you need a speck of topdress then that's cool.

also it's a moot point, but the original post, I find a lil less than comprehensive, much of it isn't optimal advice, but it's old as hell, so here we are..
and aloe IS badass.
aloe, and comfrey should be grown with EVERY organic grow, in my opinion.
 
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What is comfrey?
greasemonkeymann said:
I always find it interesting that most of us oldtimers tend to lean off on all the fancy stuff as time goes by, the SSTs, the AACTs, the nutrient teas...
it's just much, much more easy to build the soil right, and then be done with it
water only, and if you need a speck of topdress then that's cool.

also it's a moot point, but the original post, I find a lil less than comprehensive, much of it isn't optimal advice, but it's old as hell, so here we are..
and aloe IS badass.
aloe, and comfrey should be grown with EVERY organic grow, in my opinion.
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Richard Drysift

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Anonymous... said:
Question guys I want to start a compost bin and worm bin how simple could I do it. And also is it possible to do it inside? I will research it a Lil but I believe they both need heat, right?
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An excellent idea; I keep mine inside a dingy basement close to my grow area; they do emit co2 as well so that's a side benefit if you can set it up near your fresh air intake. You can just as easily put it in your kitchen but they really seem to prefer cool dark spaces. Room temps are fine and even down to say 50 degrees they should stay active.
I think the worm factory 360 or equivalent tray stack system is best but lotsa growers around here just use a bigass smartpot full of old soil. Only trouble is you got to dump it all out to separate the worms from the castings to harvest them or a good number of worms will just go along for the ride into your containers. No big deal if you've got a lot of worms in there but if you start with just a couple hundred you want them to be fruitful and multiply. The trays make it so easy to get castings and leaves most of your worm population undisturbed to do their thing.
I started with 3 trays and then expanded to 5. It took awhile to get going; maybe about 6-8 months but once they reach a certain population density you can pull another tray of castings every couple weeks. It's kind of amazing how much they can consume once they get going.
 
Chunky Stool

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Richard Drysift said:
Shluby is right I think. The idea is to put your amendments and compost in the mix globally and just use teas to maintain microbial activity. Here's what I would do:
1. Get a small tote bin for recycling soil and add in spent root balls (if you have any) some black gold soil, some of your happy frog, perlite, and up to an equal amount of EWC plus add all the amendments you list above except the molasses, cal/mag, and mycorrhizae
2. Wait 30 days and then pot your plants in it; sprinkle mycorrhizae in each hole at transplants so the root ball sits directly onto the myco
3. Add water
In a couple weeks after the roots have settled in from transplanting brew up a simple tea of:
1 tsp molasses
1 cup EWC
1 tsp kelp meal
1 tsp neptunes harvest (optional)
4 tblspn FF big bloom (optional)
Bubble for 36+ hrs and give to the plants
Give this tea recipe as often as every 2 weeks but any more is likely overkill.
Use 10 drops of cal/mag per watering if you use RO or distilled Rainwater can be collected & given as is & is best for organic growing IMO
Use your aloe for dipping newly rooted coles at first transplanting into soil...
Teas do not feed plants like nutrients do; you've got to enrich the mix first for the teas to do their thing. Stop thinking there's a bloom or veg formula; plants will take what they need as needed as long as you provide it in their containers.
For a bloom boost I add 2 or more jobes AP organic spikes and a layer of chicken compost & guano with oyster flour on top of that in the final size bloom pots just before flipping which really works awesomely; hope that helps
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Seaweed, fish, or combo?
I love Neptunes Harvest! Got killer deals because local grow stores don't sell much of it. I asked why it was on sale and was told that customers even complained. They had no clue that the ph of this product was so low. Hell I use it like ph down! Works like a charm.
 
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