Anonymous...
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Lol not letting my dog no where near it lmfao
What does this look like to you guys
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Dr. Who
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But most don't! I still suggest it to those who have no idea how organics (or nature for that matter) work. It is a great book for the organic newbie! Application of what they learn is up to them. By the way. It's written by Jeff Lowenfels.....I don't know where you get the "she" from....
Stable soils.....By far the most used one here would be FFOF......I find it as incomplete and rather nasty really. Use OF and have gnats! Low on Ca and Mg (why I suggest to add at least a heaping 1/2 cup to a bag). Needs perlite kinda bad. Is taken from the wild and varies in nutritional value by harvest locations.
As far as the book being gospel.....at least half of it is! He spends that time explaining how soil works in nature....maybe you should read it.....Then you'll know whats really in it!
HE does have another book out too.
TEAMING WITH NUTRIENTS Another good book!
I've been told that HE is in the process of a third one.
Hmm, bet HE gets more then I do for my speaking on sustainable farming and old world farming technique...
HE...He...He (comedy value only)
Peace farmer! Anony too!
NaturalFarmer
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Jeff wrote that book for her. You are talking about the wrong person. I was referring to the Soil Food Web from Dr Elaine Ingham. I have nothing against the Teaming books although the first one is my least favorite. I think it is regurgitating misinformation from her in places however.
A lot of places actually.
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Roger A. Shrubber
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since you asked about tds meters then things went way off track.....theres more than one scale, you need to figure out which scale your pen uses. and theres at least two styles of pens, ppm is parts per million, ecs is electrical conductivity. a lot of people swear by ec, but i personally like ppm, just because its a finer scale, ec goes from like 0 to 2.5 and thats a huge range, ppm goes from zero to w/e, i can add different things and check the ppm as i'm adding each, i just think its more accurate if you're mixing your own ingredients
check out this page for a basic explanation of the different scales i'm talking about
http://www.tdsmeter.com/what-is?id=0019
check out this page for a basic explanation of the different scales i'm talking about
http://www.tdsmeter.com/what-is?id=0019
WeedFreak78
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You do realize that all meters read in EC, then convert it to PPM, using that manufacturers conversion, either .5 or .7? So your not actually getting a more accurate reading your way, just displayed differently. A .7EC is .7EC no matter what, but could be 350-490 ppm +/-, depending on conversion factor and accuracy. How accurate do you really need to get? If your nutrient program is balanced, a range of +/- .1 EC should be a fine enough graduation.
Anonymous...
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Sorry I have been busy but I'm going the read that post in just a min
And also guys could I get a list of all 4 or 5 books w.e. I'd love to try to find them and read and learn the way it works and not just a recipe to add shit. Plz and thank you all for your help you guys have been amaxing.
Also here a Lil treat finally got my entire set up hooked up and rolling!
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Anonymous...
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You can see in the pics I have almost every training method going on lol trying to decide what I like best!
Dr. Who
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Teaming with microbes (free pdf)
http://www.ebookcore.com/ebook/teaming-with-microbes-the-organic-gardener-s-guide-to-the-soil-food-web-revised-edition-6323-pdf.html
Teaming with Nutrients (free pdf)
https://e3cc683b-a-62cb3a1a-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/gstfdr35/ksjui56/Teaming-with-Nutrients-The-.pdf?attachauth=ANoY7cqVwG7EeUXmUim-5a7a7vLwMQUkeHNWN27F3PdC9VV2sL1-1URukEKq4yzG_FTYc8r2YqhXQBg8m1FVFvgxboSNK7vJbiCOWN56jjAYrtpbOn3gIk_9Wma_p3LoxylOeh0T4nLQ0w4arn3BJrcgg9xVz47GD3_oLJZmMYsV728iLgAO2pzw2ybkG3ywkeDPWBR6d7pjksRu8DbGDlZ2UkYoD5clmfBrtW9xjTZ-qK5UzBhwWL-lNiyGFS7nIg7FDavfinZg&attredirects=0
Organic marijuana, Soma style (free pdf)
https://4b40fbc0-a-62cb3a1a-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/dscfregrgr23reg/fgbrbrevergf34r34/Organic-Marijuana-Soma-Style-.pdf?attachauth=ANoY7crP4pDa-TNEP7nOANbU2ensjTQF7Zgfgpq31Q6y3gQ8zplsWdnB4suz_hGYJYIWONjDEXmpJjvsnaiX9avOk9NE40wezqa_0YLySC73ccQew2eA3YdzEmboi0Ur6RQ8hJyKAJLMmIYUs0JghZ8xZ6JkUR91qkpgbbGUXVX9UQX8fH8YJQ237jNug7O2JHfB4OkucwHLwLZVQQFkwtHgp70VRTEaXOWds9FilnmTrEGpatH9Fr1soYmO2dhXOWGwch-nAjdwJ36AMpy1n-4DP50ASFlg5g==&attredirects=0
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Tim Fox
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Sadly FFOF is not organic,, the bag says all natural, they took the organic off the bag a while bag as they started using some non organic ad ins
still good soil, but we cant claim organic any longer with ffof
also, your soil is still too young to be adding any nutes or teas/,, and Domolite lime takes a solid 6 weeks to even start to break down, hyroot used to claim it took 6 months to break down,,
So adding cal mag is usually always neccasary with ffof ,, for me especially under my cob lights
Tim Fox
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Awesome reads,, teaming is a really good source
check out the web site https://buildasoil.com/
they have boat loads of organic soil stuff,,, from ready to grow in organic soil, to things you can mix into your older used dirt for some no till action,, i buy some of thier soil amendments
NaturalFarmer
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How long does it take to effect pH?
Tim Fox
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How long does it take for lime to work?
Since water is required for lime to react with the soil, effects of a lime application will be slower in a dry soil. It often takes a year or more before a response can be measured even under perfect conditions. However, a response may be observed within weeks of the application when soil pH is extremely low. It is important to apply lime immediately after the growing season or crop removal to allow lime to react, correcting soil pH before the next growing season.
https://www.noble.org/news/publications/ag-news-and-views/2002/february/top-10-liming-questions/
Since water is required for lime to react with the soil, effects of a lime application will be slower in a dry soil. It often takes a year or more before a response can be measured even under perfect conditions. However, a response may be observed within weeks of the application when soil pH is extremely low. It is important to apply lime immediately after the growing season or crop removal to allow lime to react, correcting soil pH before the next growing season.
https://www.noble.org/news/publications/ag-news-and-views/2002/february/top-10-liming-questions/
Tim Fox
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Time
The amount of time it takes to raise soil's pH level depends on the substance used and the starting pH level, but the process usually takes one to two years. Although you can raise soil pH faster or slower, doing so more quickly often has risks for plants. Hydrated lime is usually the fastest-acting substance to raise soil pH, but it burns plant roots easily and should be avoided if possible. Of the two agricultural limes, dolomitic and calcitic, calcitic is faster but not preferable because it can damage plants. Wood ash, too, can be used to raise pH, but its use is limited by the amount that can be added at one time; if you add more than 2 pounds of wood ash per 100 square feet of soil per year, you risk interfering with plants’ ability to take in nutrients. If you want to raise soil pH significantly, then it is best to do so before planting and not rush the process.
http://homeguides.sfgate.com/long-lime-raise-ph-77660.html
The amount of time it takes to raise soil's pH level depends on the substance used and the starting pH level, but the process usually takes one to two years. Although you can raise soil pH faster or slower, doing so more quickly often has risks for plants. Hydrated lime is usually the fastest-acting substance to raise soil pH, but it burns plant roots easily and should be avoided if possible. Of the two agricultural limes, dolomitic and calcitic, calcitic is faster but not preferable because it can damage plants. Wood ash, too, can be used to raise pH, but its use is limited by the amount that can be added at one time; if you add more than 2 pounds of wood ash per 100 square feet of soil per year, you risk interfering with plants’ ability to take in nutrients. If you want to raise soil pH significantly, then it is best to do so before planting and not rush the process.
http://homeguides.sfgate.com/long-lime-raise-ph-77660.html
Tim Fox
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ok one more,, this one more directed at MJ ,, although general gardening does apply,, lol
So I've read the first 60 or so pages of the Living Organic Soil thread. It has me convinced that I can use Oyster shell, glacial and volcanic rock dust instead of using dolomite lime. I understand that DL takes a long time to break down and become available. I'm unsure of the why.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=247313
So I've read the first 60 or so pages of the Living Organic Soil thread. It has me convinced that I can use Oyster shell, glacial and volcanic rock dust instead of using dolomite lime. I understand that DL takes a long time to break down and become available. I'm unsure of the why.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=247313
Anonymous...
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Is it just me but I can't read or download the PDF with out a credit card?
Tim Fox
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here you go
tried to send it to you here, but hte file is too large
Anonymous...
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I found another link the first one is over 184 pages long I'm on page 10 lol I'll see ya Ina few months lmfao
Anonymous...
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Just Google teaming with nutrients PDF and about 4-5 full books will pop up got plenty of reading to do may take me while got into a lil. It really explains in dept of how everything works. When I have a lip more time I'm eventually going to read it all. Thanks for links or telling me about guys I appreciate it.
Anonymous...
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Also guys here's a link I found it touches on the books and has some of the same stuff but a very good read!!!
http://herb.co/2016/03/21/definitive-guide-to-organic-marijuana/
http://herb.co/2016/03/21/definitive-guide-to-organic-marijuana/