ttystikk
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Another excellent question I fully expect he'll deflect and ignore.
US abstains in UN vote to end Israeli settlements
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Orlando737
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ArcticGranite
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The US was wrong to help orchestrate a resolution they had no intent to vote for or against. Abstaining was de facto assent.
I'm crystal clear about this. We were wrong to do that to our ally.
I'm crystal clear about this. We were wrong to do that to our ally.
UncleBuck
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...and...he...hominem...
Orlando737
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You sound more of an Obama-hater than upset on how an 'ally' has been treated.
So much so, you are willing to see your own country insulted by a gangster leader of an outlaw nation. Says a lot of the so-called 'patriots'.
All Bibi has to do now is ask Trump to stick his head up his arse. Trumps only question will be 'How far up ?'.
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ArcticGranite
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It's much simpler than that. If you think the US was right to help orchestrate the resolution and then abstain from voting-we simply disagree. I think it was wrong.
ttystikk
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Fuck Israel and how they treat us for all we've done for them.
ArcticGranite
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Israel did engage in hostile combat with the US in attacking the USS Liberty. Men died. Officially it was an "accident". Many would argue deliberate and knowing. We have taken hard lumps from them.
Why then really, are we allied with them? That for me is the 64 thousand dollar question.
The battle in Israel/ Palestine is described as the most intractable in the world. Who threw the first blow, all the points of contention, power/control/land/water, add in three religions claim to Jerusalem, does anyone see this ending or ending well? I don't.
It's more likely the flashpoint for a major conflict of nations than it is for a settlement of peace.
MisterBouncyBounce
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To me it's all just posturing.
Israel is a defacto military base for the US in the middle east. That's why the US has supported Israel and will continue to do so in spite of any abstention.
If Israel was an impediment to US foreign policy they would have been dealt with accordingly, Jewish lobby or not.
It's all about US hegemony.
Lets see if any of this amounts to anything. I bet not.
Israel is a defacto military base for the US in the middle east. That's why the US has supported Israel and will continue to do so in spite of any abstention.
If Israel was an impediment to US foreign policy they would have been dealt with accordingly, Jewish lobby or not.
It's all about US hegemony.
Lets see if any of this amounts to anything. I bet not.
UncleBuck
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jewish lobby?
the far left is starting to sound more and more like rawn pawl. i disavow the far left.
ttystikk
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You disavow the center, too. Otherwise you'd be a Bernie bot like me.
ArcticGranite
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I'm not sure of US support being all about hegemony. I think Orlando may have alluded to it earlier. Might the US also support Israel out of a sense of Christian obligation. Those thoughts are in the evangelical community. Are we as a nation sticking our necks out for religions sake? Just a thought.
MisterBouncyBounce
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Jewish lobby in terms of an argument. meaning that even if one wanted to argue a "jewish lobby" would prevent US pulling support, that still would not be enough.
MisterBouncyBounce
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I am quite sure US foreign policy is secular. It better be.
SneekyNinja
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SneekyNinja
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In abstract;
US: "Israel, calm down, youre drunk and making a fool of yourself"
Israel: "Fuck you Obama, you fucking anti-Semite traitor, we're gonna fucking get you for this".
Edit: I'd like to add that only 28% of Israelis voted for the Likud party, so my posts criticising Israel are in no way criticising Jewish people as a whole.
US: "Israel, calm down, youre drunk and making a fool of yourself"
Israel: "Fuck you Obama, you fucking anti-Semite traitor, we're gonna fucking get you for this".
Edit: I'd like to add that only 28% of Israelis voted for the Likud party, so my posts criticising Israel are in no way criticising Jewish people as a whole.
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UncleBuck
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jewish lobby?
bernie can have you. please do not support the democratic candidate when the time comes.
MisterBouncyBounce
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I understand, reading comprehension is not a strong suit of yours. Context is important but why let that stop you.
SneekyNinja
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I think the Jewish guy would probably know more about the apparent power of the "silent hand" of the "Jewish lobby".
Inb4 "I don't hate Jews, just Zionists".
Likud is the kiss of death for Israel ...
Sanction Israel like they did Iran.. and bring the Zionist to their knees.. pinch them pockets where they burn with rage the mo$t. Sign the NPT and stop with the Apartheid.. if not .. Sanction them from Western Banking system .. Bibi has evidence of collusion lol hope it's more concrete than your cartoon bomb at the UN
Sanction Israel like they did Iran.. and bring the Zionist to their knees.. pinch them pockets where they burn with rage the mo$t. Sign the NPT and stop with the Apartheid.. if not .. Sanction them from Western Banking system .. Bibi has evidence of collusion lol hope it's more concrete than your cartoon bomb at the UN